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Alternate rules for a gunfight:

Rule 1: Have a gun.

Everything else is negotiable.

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Alternate rules for a gunfight:

Rule 1: Have a gun.

Everything else is negotiable.

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Gald to see someone corrected the OP's rules.

#1 is all that matters...Have a gun

Trust me.

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The Rules of Gunfighting    Drill Sergeant Joe B. Fricks Rules For A Gunfight
 1. Forget about knives, bats and fists. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns. Bring four times the ammunition you think you could ever need. AYUP

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammunition is cheap - life is expensive. If you shoot inside, buckshot is your friend. A new wall is cheap - funerals are expensive AYUP

 3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.  AYUP

4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly. AYUP so train

5. Move away from your attacker and go to cover. Distance is your friend. (Bulletproof cover and diagonal or lateral only if you have to movement are preferred.)  AYUP

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a semi or full-automatic long gun and a friend with a long gun. AYUP

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.  AYUP

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running. Yell "Fire!" Why "Fire"? Cops will come with the Fire Department, sirens often scare off the bad guys, or at least cause them to lose concentration and will.... and who is going to summon help if you yell "Intruder," "Glock" or "Winchester?"  AYUP

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.   AYUP

10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.   AYUP

11. Stretch the rules. Always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.   AYUP

12. Have a plan.  AYUP

13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work. "No battle plan ever survives 10 seconds past first contact with an enemy."   AYUP

14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible, but remember, sheetrock walls and the like stop nothing but your pulse when bullets tear through them.      AYUP

15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.   AYUP

16. Don't drop your guard.    AYUP

17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees. Practice reloading one-handed and off-hand shooting. That's how you live if hit in your "good" side.  AYUP

18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. Smiles, frowns and other facial expressions don't (In God we trust. Everyone else keep your hands where I can see them.)    AYUP

19. Decide NOW to always be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.    AYUP

20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot up you will get.    AYUP

21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet if necessary, because they may want to kill you. AYUP

22. Be courteous to everyone, overly friendly to no one.   AYUP

23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.   AYUP

24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which starts with anything smaller than "4". (I disagree; .357 magnum will do nicely. Dad)    AYUP

25. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket." At a practice session, throw your gun into the mud, then make sure it
still works. You can clean it later.    AYUP

26. Practice shooting in the dark, with someone shouting at you, when out of breath, etc.    AYUP

27. Regardless of whether justified of not, you will feel sad about killing another human being. It is better to be sad than to be room temperature.   AYUP

 28. The only thing you EVER say afterwards is, "He said he was going to kill me. I believed him. I'm sorry, Officer, but I'm very upset now. I can't say anything more. Please speak with my attorney."   AYUP

Finally, Drill Sergeant Frick's Rules For Un-armed Combat.
1. Never be unarmed." AYUP  

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Gald to see someone corrected the OP's rules.



#1 is all that matters...Have a gun



Trust me.

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A large percentage of violent encounters occur within 5 feet, at that distance you are going to wish you had a knife as well.

Either way I practice knife work more often than close range pistol so I feel more comfortable with a good blade up close than a semi-auto.
Any real distance and I'm going to want a pistol though.

 

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never bring a knife to a gun fight
never bring a gun to a chuck norris fight

seriously, ive seen this before and its always worth seeing again.  great post

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The Rules of Gunfighting    Drill Sergeant Joe B. Fricks Rules For A Gunfight

 



24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which starts with anything smaller than "4". (I disagree; .357 magnum will do nicely. Dad)

FAIL. That would mean .40S&W and .45ACP are acceptable, while .357Sig and 9mm Parabellum are not. This shows some major fail at the understanding of terminal ballistics. "Energy dump" and hydrostatic shock don't matter when it comes to handguns. It effectively comes down to getting stabbed with a pencil or a piece of rebar... The rebar will make a bigger hole, but the pencil penetrates the same structures.



 28. The only thing you EVER say afterwards is, "He said he was going to kill me. I believed him. I'm sorry, Officer, but I'm very upset now. I can't say anything more. Please speak with my attorney."

Legal advice FAIL. "I feared for my life, I just wanted to make him stop. I'm too upset to say anything more, please speak with my attorney." It is going to turn out really well when a witness says he never said anything about killing you... Or even better, video.

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2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammunition is cheap - life is expensive. If you shoot inside, buckshot is your friend. A new wall is cheap - funerals are expensive.

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Ammunition is cheap? Where's he been shopping?

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It does say a caliber of which starts with anything smaller than a 4  I believe 9 is greater than 4 .

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9mm isn't a caliber....

A caliber is a measurement in inches.
 

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I carry a J frame in 38sp I agree with you 9mm is adequate .But i think if i was choosing a gun to take to a gunfight it would be my 45acp.

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Alternate rules for a gunfight:

Rule 1: Have a gun.

Everything else is negotiable.

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9mm is vastly superior to .38spl. Lots of ballistic / real world data out there proving this.

edit- If you knew you were getting into a gunfight and you chose 45acp over a rifle caliber, you are wrong.

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A large percentage of violent encounters occur within 5 feet, at that distance you are going to wish you had a knife as well.



Either way I practice knife work more often than close range pistol so I feel more comfortable with a good blade up close than a semi-auto.



Any real distance and I'm going to want a pistol though.

 

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.45ACP: Because there's something romantic about carrying heavy, high recoil, expensive, and low-performance ammunition that was obsolete when it was designed, with science proving so for many decades.


 

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For a pistol, I would always choose .45ACP.

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Pfft.

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Pfft.

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And so it begins...




"obsolete when it was designed"...






 

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It's actually the only reason I have a 1911...

It does nothing better than a lot of other guns, and it does many things worse... It is a cool pistol, but outdated for actual use.
 

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9mm is vastly superior to .38spl. Lots of ballistic / real world data out there proving this.

edit- If you knew you were getting into a gunfight and you chose 45acp over a rifle caliber, you are wrong.

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For a pistol, I would always choose .45ACP.

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9mm Parabellum was designed in 1902, .45ACP was designed in 1904 if I recall correctly.

The military did use .45ACP, but switched to 9mm Parabellum, an older cartridge.


It was outdated when it was designed.
 

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I was refering to pistol caliber .And i have heard the 9mm v 38spl debate before ,And I think we can both agree the 38 spl has killed many bad guys and is a proven self defense round .

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9mm Parabellum was designed in 1902, .45ACP was designed in 1904 if I recall correctly.

The military did use .45ACP, but switched to 9mm Parabellum, an older cartridge.


It was outdated when it was designed.
 

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Another thing to consider is that many rounds back in the day were developed with black powder in mind.





Additionally, just because something is old doesn't mean it's obsolete. .50BMG ring a bell?

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It's actually the only reason I have a 1911...





It does nothing better than a lot of other guns, and it does many things worse... It is a cool pistol, but outdated for actual use.


 

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9mm Parabellum was designed in 1902, .45ACP was designed in 1904 if I recall correctly.





The military did use .45ACP, but switched to 9mm Parabellum, an older cartridge.
It was outdated when it was designed.


 

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Actually, it was designed because the requirement existed for .45 caliber or larger at the time of testing.

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Rule 0: arrange to be somewhere else.

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The requirement for a 45 caliber pistol following the reported failures of the 38 in the PI is a very dubious one.  When you are having failures to stop against narcotic infused insurgents, with 38 pistols, 30-40 Krags, 12 gauge shotguns, 45 Colt SAAs the natural solution is to require a pistol that matched the effects of the 45 Colt?

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I'm not saying it is obsolete because it is old.... It is obsolete because 9mm Parabellum is a superior cartridge, that was designed two years earlier.

My argument is actually in favor of an older cartridge.
 

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Understood. You know, I think that with modern JHP's, 9mm is the best handgun cartridge for self defense today. Yeah It isn't the diameter of a .45acp, doesn't travel as fast as a .357sig and it doesn't have as much energy as a .44mag, but I believe it to be the best compromise.  [Disclaimer: Just my opinion, put down the torches.] You can carry 15 rounds in a compact gun that weighs a mere 30 ounces loaded. And those rounds travel at 1200fps, consistently penetrate over 12 inches on ballistic gelatin, expand close to .70in, and are fairly effective through intermediate barriers.  I think if more people researched scientific testings and shootings they might come to a similar conclusion. Someone once said: "In all the shootings I've witnessed, the effects would have all been the same with 9mm or .45."  I think quite a few men carry a .45 simply because of peer pressure. Not all, just some.



Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying 45acp isn't effective and I'm not calling those who prefer it unintelligent or uneducated. I just think 9mm get a bad wrap from many guys simply because it's a smaller physical dimension. Many of these men adopted the .45 cartridge only because some peers told them it was the best and they would be a sissy/women for carrying a 9mm. You see it all the time on this board: "9mm is for women!" "9mm? America doesn't speak metric!" "9mm might expand, but .45 will never shrink!) Etc. .Mostly irrational arguments that are backed up by emotions. Again, not all that favor .45 do this, just some.



Just my opinions, $0.02 and all that. But at the end of the day when all the petty arguments have ceased  I'm just glad more and more good guys are carrying guns. Whether it be a .32 or a .500S&W.