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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:10:28 PM EDT
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"Randy Weaver was a racist and Lon Horiuchi is an American Hero.
Love, PBS." Probably about like that. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:41:06 PM EDT
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Thanks, just set to record at 2 am.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:46:19 PM EDT
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Actually pretty good
Jess Walter w several words |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:46:40 PM EDT
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Thanks, just set to record at 2 am. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:47:20 PM EDT
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Is it the one with Randy Quaid?
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:47:29 PM EDT
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 The Statler Brothers: Flowers On The Wall. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:47:34 PM EDT
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Thanks, just set to record at 2 am. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:47:59 PM EDT
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GD gonna be triggered.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:48:17 PM EDT
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"Randy Weaver was a racist and Lon Horiuchi is an American Hero. Love, PBS." Probably about like that. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:48:26 PM EDT
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Watching
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:48:55 PM EDT
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Is this hosted online any place? Found it: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/ruby-ridge/player/
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:50:42 PM EDT
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GD gonna be triggered. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 10:58:42 PM EDT
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good job on murdering the word "experience"
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:02:43 PM EDT
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good job on murdering the word "experience" Spellcheck's fault. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:04:51 PM EDT
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Any real American should be triggered by RR. this 
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:05:29 PM EDT
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Spellcheck's fault. The maximum effective range of an excuse is zero. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:14:27 PM EDT
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Any real American should be triggered by RR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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GD gonna be triggered. Lon Horiuchi should have been hung for what he did. Any one of us would have been. Hell, the survivors of the Weaver family and Harris received a shitload of money from the gov't after the civil suit. And yet, he went on to have a shady part of the Waco siege, since they found shell casings that matched the caliber of his rifle, and yet they were never matched to his rifle since "It had probably been re-barreled." The charges against him in 97 were dropped on September 14, 2001, by the new prosecutor who got elected in 2000, despite protests from the special prosecutor assigned to the case. Big fucking coincidence, thee days after 9/11. After 97, the dude pretty much fucking vanished. Everything he had a part in was fucking shady as hell, Ruby Ridge and Waco are just the ones that stand out. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:16:21 PM EDT
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I wonder if he goes to West Point reunions and mentions the time he shot an unarmed woman?
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:24:17 PM EDT
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Geraldo Rivera hand his claws in Ruby Ridge. He flew over in a helicopter and reported he was shot at by the Weavers.
Rivera helicopter incident[edit] Following an April 18, 1992, fly-over by a helicopter for the Geraldo Rivera "Now It Can Be Told" television show, U.S. Marshal Service HQ received media reports that Weaver had fired on the helicopter.[26][page needed] That day in Idaho, a U.S. Marshals team was installing surveillance cameras overlooking the Weaver property at the time of the fly-over. The field report for April 18, 1992, filed by Marshal W. Warren Mays, reported seeing a helicopter near the Weaver property, but not hearing any shots fired.[27] Weaver is on record via interview with a local newspaper as having denied that anyone had fired at the helicopter.[27][28] The helicopter pilot Richard Weiss eventually gave evidence in an FBI interview denying that Weaver fired on his helicopter, and the Report of the RRTF to the OPR (1994) states that when the "indictment [of Weaver] was presented to the grand jury, the prosecution had evidence that no shots had been fired at the helicopter."[29][30] The media reports that Weaver had fired on the Rivera helicopter became part of the justification later cited by USMS Wayne "Duke" Smith and FBI HRT Commander Richard Rogers in drawing up the Ruby Ridge Rules of Engagement on August 21–22, 1992. Also, in spite of Richard Weiss's repeated denials that shots had been fired at his helicopter, U.S. Attorney Ron Howen would charge that, as Overt Act 32 of the Weaver's Conspiracy Against the Federal Government, Randy, Vicki and Harris fired two shots at the Rivera helicopter.[11][page needed] Operation "Northern Exposure" was suspended for three months due to the confirmation hearings for United States Marshals Service Director Henry E. Hudson.[31] The Weavers report having noticed the lack of USMS activity, and began to believe the USMS had dropped the case. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:26:58 PM EDT
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Tag.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:30:33 PM EDT
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Geraldo Rivera hand his claws in Ruby Ridge. He flew over in a helicopter and reported he was shot at by the Weavers. Rivera helicopter incident[edit] Following an April 18, 1992, fly-over by a helicopter for the Geraldo Rivera "Now It Can Be Told" television show, U.S. Marshal Service HQ received media reports that Weaver had fired on the helicopter.[26][page needed] That day in Idaho, a U.S. Marshals team was installing surveillance cameras overlooking the Weaver property at the time of the fly-over. The field report for April 18, 1992, filed by Marshal W. Warren Mays, reported seeing a helicopter near the Weaver property, but not hearing any shots fired.[27] Weaver is on record via interview with a local newspaper as having denied that anyone had fired at the helicopter.[27][28] The helicopter pilot Richard Weiss eventually gave evidence in an FBI interview denying that Weaver fired on his helicopter, and the Report of the RRTF to the OPR (1994) states that when the "indictment [of Weaver] was presented to the grand jury, the prosecution had evidence that no shots had been fired at the helicopter."[29][30] The media reports that Weaver had fired on the Rivera helicopter became part of the justification later cited by USMS Wayne "Duke" Smith and FBI HRT Commander Richard Rogers in drawing up the Ruby Ridge Rules of Engagement on August 21–22, 1992. Also, in spite of Richard Weiss's repeated denials that shots had been fired at his helicopter, U.S. Attorney Ron Howen would charge that, as Overt Act 32 of the Weaver's Conspiracy Against the Federal Government, Randy, Vicki and Harris fired two shots at the Rivera helicopter.[11][page needed] Operation "Northern Exposure" was suspended for three months due to the confirmation hearings for United States Marshals Service Director Henry E. Hudson.[31] The Weavers report having noticed the lack of USMS activity, and began to believe the USMS had dropped the case. Yep,and the Branch Davidians were making drugs,so the gov could bring in military shit. And,par for the course,no one is held accountable. Fucking bullshit.
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:40:44 PM EDT
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Yep,and the Branch Davidians were making drugs,so the gov could bring in military shit. And,par for the course,no one is held accountable. Fucking bullshit. Supposedly, they were no longer making drugs; not since David Koresh took over. However, the drugs were used as an excuse to use military hardware, regardless of whether or not they were actually making any. |
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Posted: 2/14/2017 11:53:11 PM EDT
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More FUCK THE US GOV'T viewing! Fascists vs Racists, pick your poison!
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Posted: 2/15/2017 12:01:05 AM EDT
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So is there no one who knows the whereabouts of Lon these days? He'd be a good one to add to the "Terminal Cancer/No Fucks Left to Give" list.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 12:12:13 AM EDT
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So wonder what happened to the sniper?
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Posted: 2/15/2017 12:23:02 AM EDT
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After 97, the dude pretty much fucking vanished. Everything he had a part in was fucking shady as hell, Ruby Ridge and Waco are just the ones that stand out. He's a federal employee in Texas. And fuck HS Precision. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 12:25:33 AM EDT
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About 10-12 years ago I got to meet Randy Weaver at a OGCA show. Got to meet the navigator of the Enola Gay at the same show. Patriots and heroes, both.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 12:36:32 AM EDT
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PBS has done shows on OKC, the Univ. of Texas tower shooter, now this. Is this stuff they had in the can and were going to help Hillary in the new war on gun owners?
Odd that they would be showing this stuff now unless they are trying to link right-wing gun-owning white supremacist to trump voters. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 12:46:16 AM EDT
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PBS has done shows on OKC, the Univ. of Texas tower shooter, now this. Is this stuff they had in the can and were going to help Hillary in the new war on gun owners? Odd that they would be showing this stuff now unless they are trying to link right-wing gun-owning white supremacist to trump voters. Yeah you think that's bad? It was last 9/11 or the anniversary the year before that Nat Geo ran a series about Mcveigh, Unibomber, and I think Rudolph a day or so after Sept 11. 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 12:57:31 AM EDT
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He's a federal employee in Texas. And fuck HS Precision. Pretty sure he retired from .gov in 2006 and was hired by HSP in 2008. That was almost 10 years ago. Surely he's on to a more relaxing existence nowadays at age 62. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 1:06:32 AM EDT
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Pretty sure he retired from .gov in 2006 and was hired by HSP in 2008. That was almost 10 years ago. Surely he's on to a more relaxing existence nowadays at age 62. I'll inquire as to his present employment but I know with certainty it brings him into federal workplaces. The HS thing was just an endorsement. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 1:28:17 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2017 1:42:15 AM EDT
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I'll have to try to DVR this one too.
Did they gloss over Bo Gritz in this one like they did in the OKC episode? |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 2:05:02 AM EDT
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Missed the first 15 minutes, so DVR is set for next showing, thanks OP.
I read the book from Jerry Spence about Ruby Ridge, he eviserated the .gov witnesses on the stand. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 2:57:44 AM EDT
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Saw it. Lots of propaganda and the end was weapons grade derp. "They wanted it to happen!"
The powers that shouldn't be are doing a full court press right now. But American experience had always been a propaganda front. Their episode about the Rockefeller's was truly cringeworthy. "Yes the Rockefeller family are a pack of psychotic tightwads, but they weren't bad people." And "scene missing." |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 2:59:05 AM EDT
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I'll have to try to DVR this one too. Did they gloss over Bo Gritz in this one like they did in the OKC episode? Nope, they actually interviewed the guy. Odd considering the 2017 trademark. Didn't Gritz die in 2007 or so? Hmm, according to Wikipedia he is still alive. Double hmmmm, from Wiki. the following is based largely on photographs of Lieutenant Colonel Gritz in which he is wearing military awards and can not be independently verified[31]. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 3:05:38 AM EDT
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Is this hosted online any place? Found it: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/ruby-ridge/player/ I just found a PBS channel on my Roku, fixing to watch. Also from that link there are 3 articles to read, may just be kind of a transcript of the show. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 3:12:21 AM EDT
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Thanks I was looking for something to watch tonight so I saw it online. Very informative.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 3:15:32 AM EDT
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Thanks I was looking for something to watch tonight so I saw it online. Very informative. Now that you have seen it, do a bit of internet searching. What you saw and what you will find on line may differ just a bit. 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:39:12 AM EDT
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Lon Horiuchi should have been hung for what he did. Any one of us would have been. Hell, the survivors of the Weaver family and Harris received a shitload of money from the gov't after the civil suit. And yet, he went on to have a shady part of the Waco siege, since they found shell casings that matched the caliber of his rifle, and yet they were never matched to his rifle since "It had probably been re-barreled." The charges against him in 97 were dropped on September 14, 2001, by the new prosecutor who got elected in 2000, despite protests from the special prosecutor assigned to the case. Big fucking coincidence, thee days after 9/11. After 97, the dude pretty much fucking vanished. Everything he had a part in was fucking shady as hell, Ruby Ridge and Waco are just the ones that stand out. https://www.linkedin.com/in/lon-horiuchi-55014613/ |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:51:25 AM EDT
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So is there no one who knows the whereabouts of Lon these days? He'd be a good one to add to the "Terminal Cancer/No Fucks Left to Give" list. I'm sure he'll live out his life just fine-just like the Janet Reno guy and all the other fucksticks in gov that get away with shit.
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:53:22 AM EDT
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About 10-12 years ago I got to meet Randy Weaver at a OGCA show. Got to meet the navigator of the Enola Gay at the same show. Patriots and heroes, both. This POS probably thinks he's a hero too.......... 
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Posted: 2/15/2017 10:55:19 AM EDT
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Supposedly, they were no longer making drugs; not since David Koresh took over. However, the drugs were used as an excuse to use military hardware, regardless of whether or not they were actually making any. Yep,all fucking lies. And the only thing that happened was a couple guys out of almost 300 million getting some payback (NOT in any way condoning what they did). Otherwise,Fast & Furious,the IRS,Benghazi,and all the other shit is just freebies...........
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:00:31 AM EDT
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PBS also did a special on Waco and the OKC bombing last week.
It wasnt to bad |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 11:55:56 AM EDT
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Janet Reno was quite possibly the biggest POS ever to hold Govt. office. SHE is the one who should have gone to jail. I remember the stunt she pulled with that security guard who turned out to be a hero with that park bombing. She leaked out the information about him to her media mutts who made the guy look guilty when in fact he was a hero who cleared out a bunch of people and it was that Rudolph guy who planted the bomb. First she sicced her mutts and ex-employers, on him to try and get him to confess, tricking him during an interrogation. Reno and her FBI dogs ruined this guys life and he turned out to be the god damn Hero of the entire thing!
Jewell sued NBC News for this statement, made by Tom Brokaw: "The speculation is that the FBI is close to making the case. They probably have enough to arrest him right now, probably enough to prosecute him, but you always want to have enough to convict him as well. There are still some holes in this case".[17] Even though NBC stood by its story, the network agreed to pay Jewell $500,000. On July 23, 1997, Jewell sued The New York Post for $15 million in damages, contending that the paper portrayed him in articles, photographs and an editorial cartoon as an "aberrant" person with a "bizarre employment history" who was probably guilty of the bombing.[18] He eventually settled with the newspaper for an undisclosed amount. Jewell filed suit against his former employer Piedmont College, Piedmont College President Raymond Cleere and college spokesman Scott Rawles.[14] Jewell's attorneys contended that Cleere called the FBI and spoke to the Atlanta newspapers, providing them with false information on Jewell and his employment there as a security guard. Jewell's lawsuit accused Cleere of describing Jewell as a "badge-wearing zealot" who "would write epic police reports for minor infractions."[13] Piedmont College settled for an undisclosed amount. In effect she was the perfect AG for a clown act like the Klintons. A dishonest Liar drunk on power who thought she could get away with anything. Its the Janet Reno's in this world thats the reason I never want to see martial Law for anything, most of all just cause a bunch of gangsters are killing each other. I dont care who is President Govt. shouldnt be entrusted with that much power and if you give it to them once they will want it again. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 12:23:34 PM EDT
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I'll have to try to DVR this one too. Did they gloss over Bo Gritz in this one like they did in the OKC episode? I believe that Gritz burned an operation to rescue American POW's from Vietnam. Eric Haney mentioned it in his book. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 12:39:36 PM EDT
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Janet Reno was quite possibly the biggest POS ever to hold Govt. office. SHE is the one who should have gone to jail. I remember the stunt she pulled with that security guard who turned out to be a hero with that park bombing. She leaked out the information about him to her media mutts who made the guy look guilty when in fact he was a hero who cleared out a bunch of people and it was that Rudolph guy who planted the bomb. First she sicced her mutts and ex-employers, on him to try and get him to confess, tricking him during an interrogation. Reno and her FBI dogs ruined this guys life and he turned out to be the god damn Hero of the entire thing! Jewell sued NBC News for this statement, made by Tom Brokaw: "The speculation is that the FBI is close to making the case. They probably have enough to arrest him right now, probably enough to prosecute him, but you always want to have enough to convict him as well. There are still some holes in this case".[17] Even though NBC stood by its story, the network agreed to pay Jewell $500,000. On July 23, 1997, Jewell sued The New York Post for $15 million in damages, contending that the paper portrayed him in articles, photographs and an editorial cartoon as an "aberrant" person with a "bizarre employment history" who was probably guilty of the bombing.[18] He eventually settled with the newspaper for an undisclosed amount. Jewell filed suit against his former employer Piedmont College, Piedmont College President Raymond Cleere and college spokesman Scott Rawles.[14] Jewell's attorneys contended that Cleere called the FBI and spoke to the Atlanta newspapers, providing them with false information on Jewell and his employment there as a security guard. Jewell's lawsuit accused Cleere of describing Jewell as a "badge-wearing zealot" who "would write epic police reports for minor infractions."[13] Piedmont College settled for an undisclosed amount. In effect she was the perfect AG for a clown act like the Klintons. A dishonest Liar drunk on power who thought she could get away with anything. Its the Janet Reno's in this world thats the reason I never want to see martial Law for anything, most of all just cause a bunch of gangsters are killing each other. I dont care who is President Govt. shouldnt be entrusted with that much power and if you give it to them once they will want it again. The media went after him with a vengeance. Throughout the whole ordeal he always proclaimed to be innocent but the media would only give him a sentence or two |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 1:52:05 PM EDT
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Geraldo Rivera hand his claws in Ruby Ridge. He flew over in a helicopter and reported he was shot at by the Weavers. Rivera helicopter incident[edit] Following an April 18, 1992, fly-over by a helicopter for the Geraldo Rivera "Now It Can Be Told" television show, U.S. Marshal Service HQ received media reports that Weaver had fired on the helicopter.[26][page needed] That day in Idaho, a U.S. Marshals team was installing surveillance cameras overlooking the Weaver property at the time of the fly-over. The field report for April 18, 1992, filed by Marshal W. Warren Mays, reported seeing a helicopter near the Weaver property, but not hearing any shots fired.[27] Weaver is on record via interview with a local newspaper as having denied that anyone had fired at the helicopter.[27][28] The helicopter pilot Richard Weiss eventually gave evidence in an FBI interview denying that Weaver fired on his helicopter, and the Report of the RRTF to the OPR (1994) states that when the "indictment [of Weaver] was presented to the grand jury, the prosecution had evidence that no shots had been fired at the helicopter."[29][30] The media reports that Weaver had fired on the Rivera helicopter became part of the justification later cited by USMS Wayne "Duke" Smith and FBI HRT Commander Richard Rogers in drawing up the Ruby Ridge Rules of Engagement on August 21–22, 1992. Also, in spite of Richard Weiss's repeated denials that shots had been fired at his helicopter, U.S. Attorney Ron Howen would charge that, as Overt Act 32 of the Weaver's Conspiracy Against the Federal Government, Randy, Vicki and Harris fired two shots at the Rivera helicopter.[11][page needed] Operation "Northern Exposure" was suspended for three months due to the confirmation hearings for United States Marshals Service Director Henry E. Hudson.[31] The Weavers report having noticed the lack of USMS activity, and began to believe the USMS had dropped the case. Wow. I never knew about Geraldo's involvement. |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 1:56:34 PM EDT
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The late Richard Jewel also sued the Atlanlta-Journal Consitution(constipation?) and won. I believe he died before that case went forward, and the courts would not allow his estate to continue the lawsuit. A-JC skated. Jay |
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Posted: 2/15/2017 9:13:23 PM EDT
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Any real American should be triggered by RR. I was then and again last night when I watched it. I was busy truckin' across the USA to really know what was going on back then, so it was nice to see this. It all started over a Non Constitutional law about a guns bbl length. I dont get it....not one fucking bit. |
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