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Posted: 1/2/2007 5:42:14 AM EST


http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/485008p-408347c.html

It's clearly laid out in 140 pages of printed text, handwriting and spreadsheets: The top-secret plan for Rudy Giuliani's bid for the White House.

The remarkably detailed dossier sets out the budgets, schedules and fund-raising plans that will underpin the former New York mayor's presidential campaign - as well as his aides' worries that personal and political baggage could scuttle his run.

At the center of his efforts: a massive fund-raising push to bring in at least $100 million this year, with a scramble for at least $25 million in the next three months alone.

The loss of the battle plan is a remarkable breach in the high-stakes game of presidential politics and a potentially disastrous blunder for Giuliani in the early stages of his campaign.

The document was obtained by the Daily News from a source sympathetic to one of Giuliani's rivals for the White House. The source said it was left behind in one of the cities Giuliani visited as he campaigned for dozens of Republican candidates in the weeks leading up to the November 2006 elections.

Giuliani spokeswoman Sunny Mindel suggested there were political dirty tricks behind the loss of the documents and called the timing suspicious.

"I wonder why such suspicious activity is occurring and can only guess it is because of Rudy's poll numbers in New Hampshire and Iowa," Mindel said.

Giuliani leads most public opinion polls of Republican primary voters though he has not announced his candidacy for President. But the dossier, which envisions spending more than $21 million this year alone, shows that Giuliani began meeting with potential supporters last April and that by October, his staff had put in place a detailed plan for a serious bid for the presidency. But they also depict a candidate torn between his prosperous business and a political future full of both promise and risk.

One page cites the explicit concern that he might "drop out of [the] race" as a consequence of his potentially "insurmountable" personal and political vulnerabilities.

On the same page is a list of the candidate's central problems in bullet-point form: his private sector business; disgraced former aide Bernard Kerik; his third wife, Judith Nathan Giuliani; "social issues," on which is he is more liberal than most Republicans, and his former wife Donna Hanover.

The concerns appear to be listed as issues for Giuliani law partner Pat Oxford to address and are followed by the central question of the campaign:

Are there "prob[lem]s that are insurmount[able]?" it asks, adding, "Has anyone reviewed with RWG?" Giuliani, whose middle name is William, is referred to throughout the document by his initials.

"All will come out - in worst light," the memo continues. "$100 million against us on this stuff."

The binder's pages are unsigned, but several pages have the initials "AD" circled, apparently referring to Giuliani's chief fund-raiser, Anne Dickerson. She is also the most likely person to have prepared the bulk of the binder's contents, which detail his fund-raising plan.

The pages are photocopied, some including copies of handwritten notes. On one page, two tasks for Giuliani aide Anthony Carbonetti - his closest political adviser and frequent travel companion - are highlighted in yellow.

* * *

The detailed fund-raising plans depict a campaign scrambling to catch up with the organizational advantage of Giuliani's Republican rivals, particularly Arizona Sen. John McCain.

Some of the leading figures in American business and finance appear as the "prospective leadership" of Giuliani's campaign, and their names appear elsewhere with instructions for Giuliani to call and seek their support. Two of the top figures on Giuliani's list, New Jersey mega-fund-raisers Lew Eisenberg and Larry Bathgate, have already signed on with McCain, as has another Giuliani target, FedEx CEO Fred Smith.

In a memo that appears in the dossier, Giuliani aides Dickerson and Roy Bailey urge him to court financier Henry Kravis particularly avidly.

"You need him to be a Wall Street industry leader," the memo says.

McCain announced Kravis' support last month.

The plan also anticipates his recruiting top GOP fund-raiser Cathy Blaney in New York on a retainer of $260,000 and her Florida counterpart, Ann Herberger, at $216,000. But between the plan's preparation in the fall and today, Blaney became the chief fund-raiser for the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, while Herberger reportedly has signed on to the presidential campaign of Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

Other business leaders targeted by Giuliani remain publicly uncommitted: Paramount CEO Brad Grey, Giuliani's talent agent after 9/11, is envisioned as leading a "celebrities" fund-raising arm; former Vikings quarterback Fran Tarkenton would raise money from professional athletes. News Corp. CEO Rupert Murdoch, PepsiCo chief Dawn Hudson and Goldman Sachs president Lloyd Blankfein are also listed as "industry leaders."

The documents depict hedge fund tycoon Paul Singer, a close Giuliani ally, playing a central role in his fund-raising operation.

The dossier doesn't make clear whether the people named have committed privately to Giuliani or even been approached to support him.

Giuliani fund-raiser Dickerson served as a deputy to the chief fund-raiser of George Bush's 2004 reelection campaign, and the papers suggest Giuliani will model at least the fund-raising portion of his campaign explicitly on Bush's. Several pages appear to be Bush-Cheney campaign internal budget documents and are marked "confidential."

Bush divided his main fund-raisers into "Rangers," who raised at least $200,000 each, and "Pioneers," who raised $100,000. Giuliani's metaphor is baseball: "Team Captains" are responsible for $1 million each in contributions, and "MVPs" bring in $200,000 each. Bush's "Pioneers" become Giuliani's "All-Stars," and those who raise $50,000 are "Sluggers."

Giuliani differs from Bush in one important way, though. His fund-raising heartland isn't Texas, but the more liberal state of California, the only place other than New York and Washington where the campaign plans to open a dedicated fund-raising office.

Still, Giuliani enters the race with ambitious fund-raising goals that will likely consume huge amounts of his time and energy this year. The plan projects his raising $100 million to $125 million this year at 250 different gatherings with wealthy donors - including $25 million to $30 million at 50 events over the next three months.

His schedule, an aide said in a handwritten note on one page, is "an issue."
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 5:43:44 AM EST
Looks like we get socialist dictator or socialist dictator fro Prez in 08
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 5:45:28 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 5:46:40 AM EST
I have already made up my mind in 08'
If the race between Rudy and Klinton, I will write in my realtor's name
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 5:53:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
I have already made up my mind in 08'
If the race between Rudy and Klinton, I will write in my realtor's name


Willie Nelson, perhaps the Nuge for me.

GWB is softening up republicans for a lefty R candidate in '08. If the above choices are presented I WILL write in my candidate.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 5:58:13 AM EST
G-D DAMN IT, GUYS!!! Duncan Hunter (R-CA) is like our dream candidate and he's the ONLY candidate--R or D--to officially announce his candidacy yet no one knows who the fuck he is!

Everyone's saying how our only choices are Rudy/McCain and Clinton/Osama!
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 5:59:54 AM EST
Vote Mr Hankey the Christmas Poo
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:01:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
G-D DAMN IT, GUYS!!! Duncan Hunter (R-CA) is like our dream candidate and he's the ONLY candidate--R or D--to officially announce his candidacy yet no one knows who the fuck he is!

Everyone's saying how our only choices are Rudy/McCain and Clinton/Osama!

I will be voting for Mr. Hunter in the primary if he stands tough


You know the RNC is going to try and bury him!
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:04:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By rob78:

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
I have already made up my mind in 08'
If the race between Rudy and Klinton, I will write in my realtor's name


Willie Nelson, perhaps the Nuge for me.

GWB is softening up republicans for a lefty R candidate in '08. If the above choices are presented I WILL write in my candidate.


I've been saying the same exact thing for a while. I'd considered writing in the Nuge.

Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:07:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By mr0w1:

Originally Posted By rob78:

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
I have already made up my mind in 08'
If the race between Rudy and Klinton, I will write in my realtor's name


Willie Nelson, perhaps the Nuge for me.

GWB is softening up republicans for a lefty R candidate in '08. If the above choices are presented I WILL write in my candidate.


I've been saying the same exact thing for a while. I'd considered writing in the Nuge.



Nuge in '08. I'm in. Now, if the R's actually get serious and nominate a candidate with ACTAUL conservative philosophies, then I'll vote that. But, if it's Guiliani or McCain, then NO THANKS.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:07:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/2/2007 6:08:26 AM EST by garr]

Originally Posted By rob78:

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
I have already made up my mind in 08'
If the race between Rudy and Klinton, I will write in my realtor's name


Willie Nelson, perhaps the Nuge for me.

GWB is softening up republicans for a lefty R candidate in '08. If the above choices are presented I WILL write in my candidate.


Lets not forget the reason Bill Clinton ended up in the White House & we ended up with the assault weapons ban.
All the Fools (Or useful Idiots as Lenin used to call them) Republicans Who voted for Ross Perot.

I would take Rudy of That Communist Whore Hillary any day of the week!
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:10:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By garr:

Originally Posted By rob78:

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
I have already made up my mind in 08'
If the race between Rudy and Klinton, I will write in my realtor's name


Willie Nelson, perhaps the Nuge for me.

GWB is softening up republicans for a lefty R candidate in '08. If the above choices are presented I WILL write in my candidate.


Lets not forget the reason Bill Clinton ended up in the White House & we ended up with the assault weapons ban.
All the Fools (Or useful Idiots as Lenin used to call them) Republicans Who voted for Ross Perot.

I would take Rudy of That Communist Whore Hillary any day of the week!


What's this? The guy with the D after his name wants to cut off my arms and legs? Well this guy with an R after his name only wants my legs. Fuck that, I'm voting for him. At least I get to keep my arms.

Seriously, it reaches a point where it doesn't make any difference any more. The fight is now for the House/Senate, not the presidency. At least that's my opinion.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:11:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By mr0w1:

Originally Posted By rob78:

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
I have already made up my mind in 08'
If the race between Rudy and Klinton, I will write in my realtor's name


Willie Nelson, perhaps the Nuge for me.

GWB is softening up republicans for a lefty R candidate in '08. If the above choices are presented I WILL write in my candidate.


I've been saying the same exact thing for a while. I'd considered writing in the Nuge.



Yeah if those are the options I'm writing in my roomate's dog. She's a pit bull pointer mix, so she has the sensibilities of a hunting dog, but the backbone of a fighter. She's sweet, fast, clean, and has no baggage.

She's pro-gun (showed her my Glock and she wagged her tail), isn't going to be a Spotted Owl bleeding heart type (chases small animals around the neighborhood all the time), and will sit on command (which by itself is WAY more than I can say for our present administration).

Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:12:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By garr:

Originally Posted By rob78:

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
I have already made up my mind in 08'
If the race between Rudy and Klinton, I will write in my realtor's name


Willie Nelson, perhaps the Nuge for me.

GWB is softening up republicans for a lefty R candidate in '08. If the above choices are presented I WILL write in my candidate.


Lets not forget the reason Bill Clinton ended up in the White House & we ended up with the assault weapons ban.
All the Fools (Or useful Idiots as Lenin used to call them) Republicans Who voted for Ross Perot.

I would take Rudy of That Communist Whore Hillary any day of the week!


The only difference is the name and one has a penis (well on second thought I am not so sure of that)

Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:12:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:13:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
What chance does this have of scuttling Rudy's plans for '08? With his entire playbook in Dem hands, he's at a significant disadvantage.

I wonder if it was Dems or conservative Republicans who outed this document...


The dems woudl probably be happy with Rudy, why would they stop him, they have a better chance of gettign there agenda through with a RINO at the helm
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:15:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By vrwc0915:
Looks like we get socialist dictator or socialist dictator fro Prez in 08


And this is different from the last 20 years how?

well, I guess they are more obvious about it.


Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:21:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/2/2007 6:22:54 AM EST by NewbHunter]

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
G-D DAMN IT, GUYS!!! Duncan Hunter (R-CA) is like our dream candidate and he's the ONLY candidate--R or D--to officially announce his candidacy yet no one knows who the fuck he is!

Everyone's saying how our only choices are Rudy/McCain and Clinton/Osama!


It's the media. The media only gives attention to the candidates that they want to run for president. It's sad really, that most Americans aren't more aware of the realities of the political game in the US. Most people get all of their info about politics from the major TV news outlets. As long as that continues nobody will know anything about the likes of someone like Hunter and we will continue to play the "vote for the lesser of two evils" game. With the gap between the two becoming harder to see every election.

Another candidate I like is Tom Tancredo, but I seriously doubt he'll have any chance at a nomination.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:23:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By vrwc0915:

Originally Posted By garr:

Originally Posted By rob78:

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
I have already made up my mind in 08'
If the race between Rudy and Klinton, I will write in my realtor's name


Willie Nelson, perhaps the Nuge for me.

GWB is softening up republicans for a lefty R candidate in '08. If the above choices are presented I WILL write in my candidate.


Lets not forget the reason Bill Clinton ended up in the White House & we ended up with the assault weapons ban.
All the Fools (Or useful Idiots as Lenin used to call them) Republicans Who voted for Ross Perot.

I would take Rudy of That Communist Whore Hillary any day of the week!


The only difference is the name and one has a penis (well on second thought I am not so sure of that)



I'm pretty sure that Hillary does have one.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:25:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By chooper:

Originally Posted By vrwc0915:

Originally Posted By garr:

Originally Posted By rob78:

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
I have already made up my mind in 08'
If the race between Rudy and Klinton, I will write in my realtor's name


Willie Nelson, perhaps the Nuge for me.

GWB is softening up republicans for a lefty R candidate in '08. If the above choices are presented I WILL write in my candidate.


Lets not forget the reason Bill Clinton ended up in the White House & we ended up with the assault weapons ban.
All the Fools (Or useful Idiots as Lenin used to call them) Republicans Who voted for Ross Perot.

I would take Rudy of That Communist Whore Hillary any day of the week!


The only difference is the name and one has a penis (well on second thought I am not so sure of that)



I'm pretty sure that Hillary does have one.


You know this little thread will have us a spot in the re-education camps......

Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:29:50 AM EST
I for one am excited about the fact that we could
have a choice between two Liberal New Yorkers in 08'
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:30:58 AM EST
What, no Republican apologists in yet? I'm disappointed.

(this coming from a guy who has only ever voted R)

Never again. Until such time as the "R" actually means something I will be voting on principle alone. I've fallen down on that slippery slope once too often thanks to GWB and I will now stand my ground.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:31:58 AM EST
oh great, once again it's a choice between a giant douche or a turd sandwhich.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:35:04 AM EST

Rudy, Rudy, Rudeeee!

Yeah, right.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:51:33 AM EST
as sad as this is... if rudy runs, hillary will win,or whoever the dems put in office.
i will not vote for either of those assbags. I will sit at home and spend a whole lot of money on guns and ammo, because after 4 years of either of those loons in controll, we will be lucky if BB guns are still avalible
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:52:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By par0thead151:
as sad as this is... if rudy runs, hillary will win,or whoever the dems put in office.
i will not vote for either of those assbags. I will sit at home and spend a whole lot of money on guns and ammo, because after 4 years of either of those loons in controll, we will be lucky if BB guns are still avalible


To do what with hide them?


Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:53:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By vrwc0915:

Originally Posted By par0thead151:
as sad as this is... if rudy runs, hillary will win,or whoever the dems put in office.
i will not vote for either of those assbags. I will sit at home and spend a whole lot of money on guns and ammo, because after 4 years of either of those loons in controll, we will be lucky if BB guns are still avalible


To do what with hide them?




yup, burry, stash, whatever it takes to keep their eletist hands off of them.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:56:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By par0thead151:

Originally Posted By vrwc0915:

Originally Posted By par0thead151:
as sad as this is... if rudy runs, hillary will win,or whoever the dems put in office.
i will not vote for either of those assbags. I will sit at home and spend a whole lot of money on guns and ammo, because after 4 years of either of those loons in controll, we will be lucky if BB guns are still avalible


To do what with hide them?




yup, burry, stash, whatever it takes to keep their eletist hands off of them.


That fits nicely into their plans, if they are burried they are out of your hands as well
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 6:58:45 AM EST
The choice is between a quick painful death and a slow drawn out painful death. Any vote not for a slow painful death is a vote for a quick death. What's going to die? Traditional american life.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 7:04:53 AM EST

as sad as this is... if rudy runs, hillary will win,or whoever the dems put in office.
i will not vote for either of those assbags. I will sit at home and spend a whole lot of money on guns and ammo, because after 4 years of either of those loons in controll, we will be lucky if BB guns are still avalible


And exactly how would this improve anything.

Instead of sitting on your Arse come election day, go to the polls and vote for the candidate, or write in a candidate, that would best mirror your philosophical views.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 7:05:33 AM EST
Don't get too excited about this guys, Rudy doesn't stand a snowball's chance. The odds of him winning any state not on a coastline are less than none. Even at that, he couldn't count on the west coast. He is just way too abrasive to be in politics anywhere outside of NY city.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 7:06:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By 80FL:

as sad as this is... if rudy runs, hillary will win,or whoever the dems put in office.
i will not vote for either of those assbags. I will sit at home and spend a whole lot of money on guns and ammo, because after 4 years of either of those loons in controll, we will be lucky if BB guns are still avalible


And exactly how would this improve anything.

Instead of sitting on your Arse come election day, go to the polls and vote for the candidate, or write in a candidate, that would best mirror your philosophical views.


ooh, i will most likeley vote 3rd party, hopefuly enough repubs will as well so the GOP figures out why they just got assraped on the 08 election
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 7:11:46 AM EST
You need to vote for whoever the republican candidate is, either Rudy or McCain. If you don't vote R this country is screwed.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 7:21:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dance:
You need to vote for whoever the republican candidate is, either Rudy or McCain. If you don't vote R this country is screwed.


Satan-Stalin 2008

DO you think a letter next to a name ensures a good person and adherence to the Constitution?
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 7:23:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dance:
You need to vote for whoever the republican candidate is, either Rudy or McCain. If you don't vote R this country is screwed.

i will vote for whop i think will do the best job.
rudy can FOAD, i will never willingly vote for someone who is as antigun and eletist as he is.
granted hillary would be worse, but i will not vote for someone like rudy.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 7:24:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/2/2007 7:26:28 AM EST by NewbHunter]

Originally Posted By par0thead151:

Originally Posted By 80FL:

as sad as this is... if rudy runs, hillary will win,or whoever the dems put in office.
i will not vote for either of those assbags. I will sit at home and spend a whole lot of money on guns and ammo, because after 4 years of either of those loons in controll, we will be lucky if BB guns are still avalible


And exactly how would this improve anything.

Instead of sitting on your Arse come election day, go to the polls and vote for the candidate, or write in a candidate, that would best mirror your philosophical views.


ooh, i will most likeley vote 3rd party, hopefuly enough repubs will as well so the GOP figures out why they just got assraped on the 08 election


Instead of voting 3rd party why not try and vote for a good R candidate in the primaries? Yeah, I know. The chance of a good R candidate winning in the primaries is slim, but the fact is either an R or a D is going to win in 2008. Your best bet is to try and vote the guy you want to run for the R's in the primaries.

If that doesn't work, then go ahead and vote 3rd party, but I wonder if a lot of 3rd party voters don't even bother to try and vote for a good R candidate in the primaries, then bitch and moan about the R candidate?
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 7:25:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By vrwc0915:

Originally Posted By Dance:
You need to vote for whoever the republican candidate is, either Rudy or McCain. If you don't vote R this country is screwed.


Satan-Stalin 2008

DO you think a letter next to a name ensures a good person and adherence to the Constitution?


Dance is being sarcastic. He's notorious for posting sarcastic towing-the-party line comments on this forum.
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 7:32:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:

Originally Posted By par0thead151:

Originally Posted By 80FL:

as sad as this is... if rudy runs, hillary will win,or whoever the dems put in office.
i will not vote for either of those assbags. I will sit at home and spend a whole lot of money on guns and ammo, because after 4 years of either of those loons in controll, we will be lucky if BB guns are still avalible


And exactly how would this improve anything.

Instead of sitting on your Arse come election day, go to the polls and vote for the candidate, or write in a candidate, that would best mirror your philosophical views.


ooh, i will most likeley vote 3rd party, hopefuly enough repubs will as well so the GOP figures out why they just got assraped on the 08 election


Instead of voting 3rd party why not try and vote for a good R candidate in the primaries? Yeah, I know. The chance of a good R candidate winning in the primaries is slim, but the fact is either an R or a D is going to win in 2008. Your best bet is to try and vote the guy you want to run for the R's in the primaries.

If that doesn't work, then go ahead and vote 3rd party, but I wonder if a lot of 3rd party voters don't even bother to try and vote for a good R candidate in the primaries, then bitch and moan about the R candidate?


no worries, i plan on voting in the primaries for a good Repub canidate. however as stated before, the odds of one carrying the day are pretty slim
Link Posted: 1/2/2007 8:32:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By par0thead151:

Originally Posted By NewbHunter:

Originally Posted By par0thead151:

Originally Posted By 80FL:

as sad as this is... if rudy runs, hillary will win,or whoever the dems put in office.
i will not vote for either of those assbags. I will sit at home and spend a whole lot of money on guns and ammo, because after 4 years of either of those loons in controll, we will be lucky if BB guns are still avalible


And exactly how would this improve anything.

Instead of sitting on your Arse come election day, go to the polls and vote for the candidate, or write in a candidate, that would best mirror your philosophical views.


ooh, i will most likeley vote 3rd party, hopefuly enough repubs will as well so the GOP figures out why they just got assraped on the 08 election


Instead of voting 3rd party why not try and vote for a good R candidate in the primaries? Yeah, I know. The chance of a good R candidate winning in the primaries is slim, but the fact is either an R or a D is going to win in 2008. Your best bet is to try and vote the guy you want to run for the R's in the primaries.

If that doesn't work, then go ahead and vote 3rd party, but I wonder if a lot of 3rd party voters don't even bother to try and vote for a good R candidate in the primaries, then bitch and moan about the R candidate?


no worries, i plan on voting in the primaries for a good Repub canidate. however as stated before, the odds of one carrying the day are pretty slim


Glad to hear. And yes, the chances of a good R are slim.
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