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Posted: 10/27/2010 5:58:11 AM EDT
Last night, I got into an argument with someone.  Her opinion is that everyone should respect everyone else's opinion.  

I disagree.  I think it is good to respect someone's right to have an opinion, but the opinion itself only deserves respect based on its merit.  The disagreement in question was whether the world would be better if all guns were at the bottom of the ocean.  I say "no."  She was arguing for "yes."

She said she respects my opinion buy disagrees.  I don't respect her opinion.  

As an example, I said that there are people that think that forcible rape is okay.  That's their opinion, and it is wrong.  

She said the two things have nothing to do with each other.  My conclusion is that she is an idiot.  Other than just ignoring her, does the hive have any good strategies?
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 5:59:40 AM EDT
[#1]
Good luck with that.

Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:06:25 AM EDT
[#2]
Yeah, I never got the idea that some people have that all opinions are equal and\or valid.

It just isn't true.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:08:07 AM EDT
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Quoted:


Yeah, I never got the idea that some people have that all opinions are equal and\or valid.



It just isn't true.


Stupid is stupid.



I can't respect stupid, it's stupid!



 
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:10:01 AM EDT
[#4]
Ask her if she respects the opinions of NAMBLA.



It's one thing to respect someone's opinion that spinach or the new camaro styling is not to their liking, but an entirely different thing to say that all opinions must be universally respected.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:10:11 AM EDT
[#5]
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:12:22 AM EDT
[#6]
Do not stick your dick in crazy
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:14:03 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
Do not stick your dick in crazy


Don't worry.  It isn't like that.  She thinks I am incredibly stubborn because I don't see it her way.  Yet, she isn't able to see it my way.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:16:08 AM EDT
[#8]
She doesn't understand that you respect peoples' opinions until that opinion gets ridiculous?

I doubt she really means that........but it took me two years to finally believe Obama is a racist (i.e., finally realized it after he called all opponents "THE ENEMY" recently).

So I am slow to learn.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:16:49 AM EDT
[#9]




Quoted:

You need better ways to waste your time. Haven't you discovered the joys of internet porn?




The internet has porn now?
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:17:53 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:19:31 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Ask her if she respects the opinions of NAMBLA.

It's one thing to respect someone's opinion that spinach or the new camaro styling is not to their liking, but an entirely different thing to say that all opinions must be universally respected.


This. Reducto ad absurdum is an acceptable tactic in formal debate, and it should work here.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:20:26 AM EDT
[#12]
I don't respect everyones opinion. Many of them are retarded and dangerous.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:22:41 AM EDT
[#13]
Everyone has a right to their own opinion.

They do not have a right to expect everyone else to agree that their opinion is valid.

I can think what I want about architectural engineering, but I'm utterly unqualified to debate it with someone who works in that field. I can think what I want and he can tell me that I'm wrong.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:22:56 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
I don't respect everyones opinion. Many of them are retarded and dangerous.


Good point.  Maybe that's my angle with her.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:24:15 AM EDT
[#15]
siihpapp?
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:27:27 AM EDT
[#16]
You are right, she is wrong. It's not just semantics, you have explained the difference between respecting a person's (actual) opinion and respecting their right to have that opinion.
Additionally, her opinion is idiocy, there are a lot of schools of fish in the ocean, for the childrens' sake, we shouldn't dump a bunch of guns near these schools.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:29:16 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
siihpapp?




Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:29:32 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
You are right, she is wrong. It's not just semantics, you have explained the difference between respecting a person's (actual) opinion and respecting their right to have that opinion.
Additionally, her opinion is idiocy, there are a lot of schools of fish in the ocean, for the childrens' sake, we shouldn't dump a bunch of guns near these schools.


Gold.  I tell you.  That is Gold.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:34:13 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Do not stick your dick in crazy


Don't worry.  It isn't like that.  She thinks I am incredibly stubborn because I don't see it her way.  Yet, she isn't able to see it my way.


You're dealing with someone who really thinks that the world revolves around her, and that the only reason people hold opinions different than hers is that they just haven't seen the light yet.  There are many stinky layers to that onion.

I don't care if she pisses diamonds and shits out rolls of hundreds, it aint worth the trouble of keeping her around.  Some are fixer-uppers, some are junkers.  This one's a junker.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 6:34:49 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:


Stupid is stupid.

I can't respect stupid, it's stupid!
 [/quote]

Haha....Excellent!!
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 11:33:39 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
[You're dealing with someone who really thinks that the world revolves around her, and that the only reason people hold opinions different than hers is that they just haven't seen the light yet.  There are many stinky layers to that onion.

I don't care if she pisses diamonds and shits out rolls of hundreds, it aint worth the trouble of keeping her around.  Some are fixer-uppers, some are junkers.  This one's a junker.


It amazes me when otherwise intelligent people have thoughts like all opinions are equally relevant.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 11:39:02 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:

It amazes me when otherwise intelligent people have thoughts like all opinions are equally relevant.


It's the corner people paint themselves into when they trade logic for political correctness.  I wouldn't let it bother you, it's just a platitude she tells herself in order to feel like she isn't being mean to people who are wrong.  It doesn't mean anything.  

Link Posted: 10/27/2010 11:40:28 AM EDT
[#23]
She appears to be confusing the idea of respecting a person and respecting an opinion (i.e. not respecting an opinion is the same as disrespecting the person). Explain to her that her identity and her opinion are not the same thing.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 11:43:12 AM EDT
[#24]
Oh and as for her opinion that the world would be better off if there were no guns, it's hardly worth any serious consideration because it's a fantasy.  You might as well be arguing about how high you could go if you could fly by flapping your arms.  
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 12:04:19 PM EDT
[#25]
arguing that all opinions should be respected infers all opinions are valid, equal and never wrong. And thus no one ever loses. It's a fucking fantasy. A politically-correct mindfuck/trap. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. They aren't entitled to their own facts.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 12:18:39 PM EDT
[#26]
I once knew someone who thought you could take a train from the US to England.



I don't respect ignorance and specially not people who revel in it.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 12:23:00 PM EDT
[#27]



Quoted:


Last night, I got into an argument with someone.  Her opinion is that everyone should respect everyone else's opinion.  



I disagree.  I think it is good to respect someone's right to have an opinion, but the opinion itself only deserves respect based on its merit.  The disagreement in question was whether the world would be better if all guns were at the bottom of the ocean.  I say "no."  She was arguing for "yes."



She said she respects my opinion buy disagrees.  I don't respect her opinion.  



As an example, I said that there are people that think that forcible rape is okay.  That's their opinion, and it is wrong.  



She said the two things have nothing to do with each other.  My conclusion is that she is an idiot.  Other than just ignoring her, does the hive have any good strategies?


Did this gal have bolts on either side of her neck, just above the collar bone?  Good Lord, man...



My opinion would be to disengage this moron forever and let her continue to wallow in the shallow end of the gene pool.  Respect it.  



You're correct, respecting someone's right to an opinion is far different than respecting someone's opinion.  
 
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 12:26:52 PM EDT
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Quoted:
pics?


SIIHPAPP
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 12:30:16 PM EDT
[#29]
You're right, she's an idiot. Move on with your life.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 12:31:02 PM EDT
[#30]



Quoted:





Quoted:

Yeah, I never got the idea that some people have that all opinions are equal and\or valid.



It just isn't true.


Stupid is stupid.



I can't respect stupid, it's stupid!

 


You can't fix stupid either.



 
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 12:40:34 PM EDT
[#31]
She is on the other side of the fence. She is not ON the fence.

She will not change her mind. I tend to give up on explaining guns and etc to those types of people.

Good luck op.

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Link Posted: 10/27/2010 1:04:50 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
I once knew someone who thought you could take a train from the US to England.

I don't respect ignorance and specially not people who revel in it.


Holding steadfast to the idea that Iran is a jewish country is a good one too.

She would have argued with a pilot over how to fly.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 1:09:56 PM EDT
[#33]
It's actually a fairly simple counter.  You have already expressed it.  You do not respect her opinion.  She, by her own set of rules, must respect yours.  Ergo, your opinion is superior because it is given validity by the greatest number of people (i.e. 2 'votes' to her one).

But if you're trying to get her to change her mind, then you need to work in a somewhat different angle.


Ask her what 10+10 is.  She will likely say 20.
Ask her if your opinion was that the answer was 30, would your opinion be valid?
The point to make here is that only valid opinions are valid.  Only the correct answer is correct.
Just because you personally believe that a particular topic is subjective does not mean that it is.  There are objective matters in the world and mathematics is only one example.

Then point out to her that in a base-2 frame of reference, the answer is actually 100.
The correct answer may change with context.  For example, murder is wrong.  Killing someone in self-defense, however, is not wrong.
Just as there are rules in mathematics, there are rules in ethics and morality.  Just because the answer can change with context does not mean that the rules are arbitrary.

Finally, point out that 10i+10j (i.e. vector addition) results in a magnitude of 10 square roots of 2.
The point to make here is that the base rules apply universally.  In the first example, we used simple numberical addition.  We increased a value by itself along a linear path.
In the second example, we changed how we counted and valued each number, but the procedure remained the same.
In the final example, we added the numbers in two dimensions instead of one.  The rules remain the same, but how we apply them becomes more complex.

The same is true of ethics and morality.  There are simple rules that we can write that are valid universally.  For example, we could write the rule "human life is always valuable."
Perhaps we could add other rules such as "human dignity is always valuable" or "freedom is always preferable to slavery."  We may even say "all human beings should be respected."  However, just because we may not be able to quantify such rules perfectly into language does not render them invalid.
And, just as the rules of addition are concerned, the rules of ethics and morality are always valid, regardless of the circumstances.  Just because we change our frame of reference or perspective does not negatively impact the validity of the ruleset.


So, what does that mean?
It means that, in the context of a given situation, a moral person must accurately select and apply the rules required for interpretation.  Selecting the wrong rule does not result in a valid answer.
In the example, the rules of multiplication still apply, but we're not asked to multiply anything.  Just because 10x10=100 and 10+10 in base 2 is also 100 does not mean that one procedure is interchangable with the other.  Multiplication is only valid when that operation is being used.  Binary addition is only valid when that operation is being used.
The same is true of moral rules.

It is true that the morally correct action of respecting human beings requires that we respect other valid opinions.
However, when those opinions are invalid, we have no such requirement to respect them.  It is addition versus multiplication.  They are different operations and are governed by different rulesets.


If one person enjoys the color green and another enjoys the color red, that does not make either correct or incorrect.  They are both valid opinions and both individuals command respect.

However, if one person likes the color green and another person likes the color turducken, then one of them has a valid opinion and the other is an imbecile.


OP, your friend is morally immature because she only understands how to add two numbers together in a single dimension.
She believes that you are incorrect because she does not understand that mathematics can also be applied in 2, 3, 4 or even more dimensions.
However, just because she does not understand the rules does not render them invalid.

And the rules of morality state that moral relativism is invalid.  Thus, not all opinions are worthy of respect.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 1:50:06 PM EDT
[#34]
She's an idiot. Not Every opinion is valid, or worthwhile.


Link Posted: 10/27/2010 1:52:48 PM EDT
[#35]
agree to disagree in an agreeable manner
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 1:54:39 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted:
She's an idiot. Not Every opinion is valid, or worthwhile.


Link Posted: 10/27/2010 1:56:11 PM EDT
[#37]
Good luck.




Link Posted: 10/27/2010 2:07:05 PM EDT
[#38]



Quoted:


siihpapp?


I have no better input.



 
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 2:12:03 PM EDT
[#39]
Was this a poster here on this site? I guess that doesn't matter...why worry so much over what someone else thinks though?
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 2:13:25 PM EDT
[#40]
Arguing with a woman, or a liberal, is wasted time. I've wasted enough time already.
Link Posted: 10/27/2010 2:14:59 PM EDT
[#41]




Quoted:

My conclusion is that she is an idiot.



I respect this opinion.
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