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Posted: 3/17/2005 8:13:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/17/2005 8:17:20 AM EST by Slappyjack]
Which are we and what's the difference?

Democracy: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Republic: 1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government

Aren't they the same?
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:15:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/17/2005 8:16:45 AM EST by xinflt]
In Democracy...everyone votes on all legislation. In Republic....everyone votes for representatives who vote on legislation.


Edit: IOW A republic is a representative democracy
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:17:20 AM EST
Read my post here: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=333850, covered this exact topic yesterday.....

Mike
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:17:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/17/2005 8:20:00 AM EST by StealthyBlagga]
The US is a "Representative Republic". It is possible to be a non-democratic republic (e.g. "Peoples Republic of China") or to be a non-republican democracy (e.g. Great Britain). The one has nothing to do with the other.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:18:41 AM EST
The U.S. is a republic.
We elect people to vote on our behalf.

A true democracy, would have no need for elected officials as everything would be put to a popular vote by all citizens. (which quite frankly, would be total chaos)
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:19:27 AM EST
We are a representative republic. We elect trustes to handle the day to day grind of having this large government machine. A true democracy is mob rule. Imagine a unit were everyone got to vote on should we take that hill or not. Elect a leader, if it does not work out shitcan him and get someone else.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:22:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/17/2005 8:24:48 AM EST by Slappyjack]

Originally Posted By mr_wilson:
Read my post here: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=333850, covered this exact topic yesterday.....

Mike



Your post is why I asked the question actually.

According to the definitions in a republic supreme power resides in a body of citizens who vote and it's exercised by elected officers responsible to said citizens. In a democracy the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them through a system of representation.

Does this mean that in a democracy we decide who is representing us and then we drop the reins? Let them decide for us without any further input from us?
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:25:18 AM EST
BOTH SHOULD BE BANNED!
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:27:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/17/2005 8:28:36 AM EST by WyattEarp]
The Pledge says it all

and to the Republic for which it stands




drache hit it on the spot

A true democracy, would have no need for elected officials as everything would be put to a popular vote by all citizens. (which quite frankly, would be total chaos)
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:27:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Slappyjack:

Originally Posted By mr_wilson:
Read my post here: www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=333850, covered this exact topic yesterday.....

Mike



Your post is why I asked the question actually.

According to the definitions in a republic supreme power resides in a body of citizens who vote and it's exercised by elected officers responsible to said citizens. In a democracy the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them through a system of representation.

Does this mean that in a democracy we decide who is representing us and then we drop the reins? Let them decide for us without any further input from us?



No, the key in that definition is "periodically held offices."
In other words, you as a citizen get to say your peace at the next election by voting that person back in or voting them out.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:27:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/17/2005 8:28:16 AM EST by WildBoar]
No, the first one is a tyrrany of the majority.

Mob rule.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:38:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
No, the first one is a tyrrany of the majority.

Mob rule.



I think he was referring to definition b. on that one. Which does sound a little confusing since definition b pretty much sounds like a Republic.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 8:41:23 AM EST
We are a Republic, democracy is a form of mob rule rather than having an electorate to run things.
Republic is rule by law, and limits the governments powers over its citizenry.
Democracy is mob rule by the masses.
Republicans=Freedom
Democrats= Socialism
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 9:43:56 AM EST
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

A Republic is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

Somebody told me Ben Franklin said this.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 9:44:44 AM EST
I also heard that Mark Twain said the most democratic thing he ever saw was a lynch mob- there was only one dissenting vote.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 9:46:28 AM EST
The U.S. is a Republic and for good reason. Democracy = mob rule...see the Smoking Ban thread for more.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 9:54:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/17/2005 9:56:35 AM EST by DoubleFeed]
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 9:55:23 AM EST
Another key difference is that in a Republic, there is a recognition of "unalienable rights", i.e., rights given to all men by God. These are partially listed in the Bill of Rights.

These rights cannot be "voted away". For instance, in a democracy, if 51% of the voters wanted to do away with the right of free speech, they could do so. Because 51% of the voters can do anything in a Democracy. Not in a Republic.

In a Republic, the right to Free Speech is an Unalienable Right, and cannot be voted away.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 11:55:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/17/2005 11:56:13 AM EST by H46Driver]

Originally Posted By Slappyjack:

Democracy: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections




In ancient Athens - a pure democracy - the Athenians believed that elections were undemocratic because they implied that all men were not equal. They chose their government officials by lot. In other words, the gods chose. There was one exception, the 10 (IIRC) offices of military commanders. These jobs were deemed too important to be left to chance and the office holders were elected. Interesting system, especially when there was no conpulsory public education - Joe the blacksmith you are now the minister of finance.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 12:52:31 PM EST
Constitutional Republic, not Representative Republic.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 5:24:34 PM EST
In a democracy, the winner is 50% +1 person and the loser is 50% -1 person. The will of the mob rules.

In a republic, you set ground rules, i.e. the Bill of Rights, that the mob can't touch. The Constitution establishes criteria for changing it - i.e. 2/3 of the Senate, 2/3 of the House and 3/4 of the state legislatures plus the Executive branch vote "aye" and you change the law. It is made difficult as a check against mob-driven madness.

In a democracy, you put it to a direct vote and 50% +1 dude change the law.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 5:30:51 PM EST
In a democracy you elect a benevolent dictatorship. See Canada.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 7:00:30 PM EST
A Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

Democracies fall apart shortly after the people find out they can vote themselves wine and parties.


A Republic, particularly a CONSTITUTIONAL Republic has representatives that vote on some things, but the Constitution is supposed to be a set of rules that are not easily changed... like "bylaws" of a club.

We are a REPUBLIC, FYI.
Link Posted: 3/17/2005 7:02:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By markm:
BOTH SHOULD BE BANNED!



Is that all you do?

That and give people shit for bump firing?
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