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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:22:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:22:36 AM EDT
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I thought non-citizens could purchase firearms.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:22:39 AM EDT
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Yes you are. He's probably one of those don't bow before the IRS and federal gubmint. I don't either, but I pay my ransom (or tribute) to the IRS to keep myself out of jail. I'm old enough to know not to bend down if you drop your soap.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:23:39 AM EDT
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One of those 'sovereign' idiots, who shoot cops when they get pulled over for speeding and for using homemade cardboard license plates.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:28:48 AM EDT
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He's not just a non-citizen, He's renounced his citizenship. The question asks Have you ever renounced your United States citizenship. Once you answer yes to that question on the 4473, the paperwork stops and I'm no longer allowed to sell the firearm
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:33:02 AM EDT
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One of those 'sovereign' idiots, who shoot cops when they get pulled over for speeding and for using homemade cardboard license plates. This right here. Lots of those morons running around Central Texas. 
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:36:37 AM EDT
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What is necessary for someone to renounce their citizenship? I bet there's a certain process involved. And without following the process, the guy might still be a citizen. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:37:11 AM EDT
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I always stop reading these at the first misspelled word.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:41:36 AM EDT
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One of those 'sovereign' idiots, who shoot cops when they get pulled over for speeding and for using homemade cardboard license plates. This right here. Lots of those morons running around Central Texas. Two of those cocksuckers ––a father and son–– killed a couple of police in West Memphis, AR six months ago or so. One of those killed was a good friend of a good friend of mine. WMPD burned those cocksuckers down an hour or so later, in the parking lot of the Wal-Mart. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 6:51:29 AM EDT
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Even Lee Harvey Oswald changed his mind.
It's pretty difficult to renounce your citizenship and highly doubtful this impatient and irritable person had the resolve to actually do it. I'm hoisting the BS flag on him. 
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:00:08 AM EDT
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Even Lee Harvey Oswald changed his mind. It's pretty difficult to renounce your citizenship and highly doubtful this impatient and irritable person had the resolve to actually do it. I'm hoisting the BS flag on him. I wasn't going to take any chances. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:00:31 AM EDT
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Quoted: One of those 'sovereign' idiots, who shoot cops when they get pulled over for speeding and for using homemade cardboard license plates. That's wrong? (the cardboard plates) |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:02:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: One of those 'sovereign' idiots, who shoot cops when they get pulled over for speeding and for using homemade cardboard license plates. What he said |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:03:17 AM EDT
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If he is actually physically in the US I seriously doubt he has legally renounced his citizenship, since this requires being outside the US, and results in needing a visa to get back in. Just saying 'I'm no longer a US Citizen' doesn't cut it as far as the .gov is concerned. Of course, it's irelevant if he actually did or not, since merely checking the block incorrectly precludes a sale.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:06:47 AM EDT
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Sovereigns are a real and definite threat. Not just to Police, but to anyone who they perceive is infringing on what they think are their 'rights'. Most of them will do little more than file frivolous lawsuits, but some will initiate violence at the outset. Frequently, they also possess fraudulent, but realistic looking, false identification with psuedo-legal phrases and terminology. Their belief system is a crock of shit, but convincing to some on the surface, it will not withstand an objective dissection. The issue however, is that they believe it. Do not underestimate the amount of grief they can cause with their b.s.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:10:39 AM EDT
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I work overseas and have met many American ex-pats who renounced their citizenship (especially during the beginning of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Interestingly enough they always come running back to the American Embassy or Consulate during a hurricane, civil unrest, or medical emergency.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:15:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: I work overseas and have met many American ex-pats who renounced their citizenship (especially during the beginning of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Interestingly enough they always come running back to the American Embassy or Consulate during a hurricane, civil unrest, or medical emergency. why? they're not citizens any more? I hope they get turned away in those situations. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 7:52:18 AM EDT
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I work overseas and have met many American ex-pats who renounced their citizenship (especially during the beginning of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Interestingly enough they always come running back to the American Embassy or Consulate during a hurricane, civil unrest, or medical emergency. They should be kicked in the nuts then tossed back in the street. So should the guy who renounced his citizenship and tried to buy a gun. Please tell me you didn't sell it to him!!!!! GTFO! |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:09:02 AM EDT
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Sovereign Citizen = crackpot. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:11:45 AM EDT
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He is full of crap. The exit tax to renounce citizenship is oppressive. Evidently the dude is mentally ill and shouldn't be near firearms.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:12:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:14:04 AM EDT
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I would have called him a liar and told him to stop being a bitch.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:16:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Even Lee Harvey Oswald changed his mind. It's pretty difficult to renounce your citizenship and highly doubtful this impatient and irritable person had the resolve to actually do it. I'm hoisting the BS flag on him. I wasn't going to take any chances. Nope, you couldn't afford to gamble like that and hope that it wasn't ATF bait. I wonder if the guy realizes he screwed himself out of being able to buy a gun legally anymore? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:20:09 AM EDT
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One of those 'sovereign' idiots, who shoot cops when they get pulled over for speeding and for using homemade cardboard license plates. Or "Redemption." They're the ones who believe the US is a corporation and it's citizens are corporate entities because our names are spelled out in block capital letters on our fake birth certificates, the real versions of which are sitting in a Chinese bank vault because each one has been used to securitize a $1M bond. 
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:25:16 AM EDT
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It's a moronic act. I'm actually a citizen of two countries I was born in the US but have British Citizenship through my mother. She's legal but never became a full US citizen. I don't understand people like the guy the op is talking about but whatever.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:26:18 AM EDT
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Like others have said, you definitely encountered a sovereign citizen.
After reading some of the posts in GD I wonder how many there are here. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:35:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: I would have called him a liar and told him to stop being a bitch. And then kicked him out for being retarded. If he truly renounced his citizenship, he wouldn't be standing on US soil right now. Of note... there are people who have renounced their US citizenship, who have for a lack of better terms, seen the light. You can gain your citizenship back after renouncing it. It's not as easy as walking back up to the consulate and saying, "Hey, I want back in." They have to petition to become a permanent resident and receive a green-card just like all the other legal aliens out there. I'm a firm believer that only certainty in life, is death. Everything else can be overcome with proper application of money and waivers. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:35:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:46:36 AM EDT
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One of those 'sovereign' idiots, who shoot cops when they get pulled over for speeding and for using homemade cardboard license plates. Or "Redemption." They're the ones who believe the US is a corporation and it's citizens are corporate entities because our names are spelled out in block capital letters on our fake birth certificates, the real versions of which are sitting in a Chinese bank vault because each one has been used to securitize a $1M bond. Just looked into the Redemptionists a bit. What a bunch of fucking weirdos
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:48:28 AM EDT
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There is only one way for you to legally renounce your US Citizenship. You have to go into court and do it in front of a federal judge. The Supreme Court has ruled that nothing else qualifies as an actual renunciation of your citizenship.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:53:35 AM EDT
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One of those 'sovereign' idiots, who shoot cops when they get pulled over for speeding and for using homemade cardboard license plates. Or "Redemption." They're the ones who believe the US is a corporation and it's citizens are corporate entities because our names are spelled out in block capital letters on our fake birth certificates, the real versions of which are sitting in a Chinese bank vault because each one has been used to securitize a $1M bond. Just looked into the Redemptionists a bit. What a bunch of fucking weirdos I've wasted several afternoons just trying to wrap my brain around it. Not that I agree with it, just trying to understand it. I'm at a loss... At the end of the day, I think one has to question a person who doesn't agree with the government and thinks the answer it declaring himself "sovereign" which ends his ability to change it. The entire Redemption movement wasn't born out of idealism, it was created to avoid legal consequences. Just because you disagree with the government, doesn't mean you get to do any damn thing you please with impunity... |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 8:57:02 AM EDT
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I work overseas and have met many American ex-pats who renounced their citizenship (especially during the beginning of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Interestingly enough they always come running back to the American Embassy or Consulate during a hurricane, civil unrest, or medical emergency. why? they're not citizens any more? I hope they get turned away in those situations. JarheadPatriot Team Member
I always stop reading these at the first misspelled word. I always stop reading these at the first non-capitalized word. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:00:37 AM EDT
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I think he also forgot to check yes under the block about being adjudicated mentally defective.....
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:04:47 AM EDT
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There is only one way for you to legally renounce your US Citizenship. You have to go into court and do it in front of a federal judge. The Supreme Court has ruled that nothing else qualifies as an actual renunciation of your citizenship. You couldn't be more wrong. A. THE IMMIGRATION & NATIONALITY ACT Section 349(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(5)) is the section of law that governs the ability of a United States citizen to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship. That section of law provides for the loss of nationality by voluntarily performing the following act with the intent to relinquish his or her U.S. nationality: "(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state , in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State" (emphasis added). B. ELEMENTS OF RENUNCIATION A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship: appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer, in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and sign an oath of renunciation link http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:07:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: He's not just a non-citizen, He's renounced his citizenship. The question asks Have you ever renounced your United States citizenship. Once you answer yes to that question on the 4473, the paperwork stops and I'm no longer allowed to sell the firearm Plus that MFer needs to be escorted to the nearest border. Anyone remember that ding bat lady who walked into a our embassy in Mexico, she renounced her US Citizenship there and was unable to reenter the Country. Fuck her, fuck that ass clown, GTFO of my Country! |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:14:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: There is only one way for you to legally renounce your US Citizenship. You have to go into court and do it in front of a federal judge. The Supreme Court has ruled that nothing else qualifies as an actual renunciation of your citizenship. You couldn't be more wrong. A. THE IMMIGRATION & NATIONALITY ACT Section 349(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(5)) is the section of law that governs the ability of a United States citizen to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship. That section of law provides for the loss of nationality by voluntarily performing the following act with the intent to relinquish his or her U.S. nationality: "(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state , in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State" (emphasis added). B. ELEMENTS OF RENUNCIATION A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship: appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer, in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and sign an oath of renunciation link http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html I thought I read an article recently that the Supreme Court had ruled that this was insufficient. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 9:27:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: He is full of crap. The exit tax to renounce citizenship is oppressive. Evidently the dude is mentally ill and shouldn't be near firearms. exit tax ??? |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 10:54:20 AM EDT
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I work overseas and have met many American ex-pats who renounced their citizenship (especially during the beginning of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Interestingly enough they always come running back to the American Embassy or Consulate during a hurricane, civil unrest, or medical emergency. They should be kicked in the nuts then tossed back in the street. So should the guy who renounced his citizenship and tried to buy a gun. Please tell me you didn't sell it to him!!!!! GTFO! Hell no I didn't sell it to him. He signed his name but put some bullshit about "the sovereign republic, all rights reserved ID#******" he was a nut! |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:12:32 PM EDT
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He will be the next guy to shoot up a crowd somewhere, and you sold him the gun.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:14:56 PM EDT
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Even Lee Harvey Oswald changed his mind. It's pretty difficult to renounce your citizenship and highly doubtful this impatient and irritable person had the resolve to actually do it. I'm hoisting the BS flag on him. I wasn't going to take any chances. Completely agree with your actions. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:16:26 PM EDT
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He will be the next guy to shoot up a crowd somewhere, and you sold him the gun. No sale. Reading is fundamental. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 12:59:38 PM EDT
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He will be the next guy to shoot up a crowd somewhere, and you sold him the gun. No sale. Reading is fundamental. I read it three times thank you, and it does not say one way or the other what finally happened. For all anyone knows, he filled out paperwork and sale went rhru. I was kidding with him with my reply. Apparently you don't get humor. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 1:05:04 PM EDT
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What is necessary for someone to renounce their citizenship? I bet there's a certain process involved. And without following the process, the guy might still be a citizen. There is one (and only one way) for you to renounce your citizenship. First, you need to obtain another countries' citizenship. International law prevents the US from leaving you stateless. Then, you can go to a US diplomatic post in a foreign country and renounce. You can burn your passport on the steps of the Capitol screaming, 'I'm not a citizen, I'm not a citizen!' and nothing will happen except a beat-down by the Capitol Police. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 1:24:38 PM EDT
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exit tax ??? Some jackassery that Congress came up with a couple years ago. If you have a net worth of above $2M or so there are some complex tax rules to follow. All your assets, worldwide, are marked to market, and you have to pay income tax on any unrealized capital gains. So if you bought a house for $1M, and it's now worth $2M, you have to pay tax on the difference. |
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Posted: 1/30/2011 4:17:17 PM EDT
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I love the scene in "The Sand Pebbles" where the minister thinks that renouncing his citizenship will protect him from Chinese bullets.
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Posted: 1/30/2011 4:37:38 PM EDT
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I love the scene in "The Sand Pebbles" where the minister thinks that renouncing his citizenship will protect him from Chinese bullets. Didn't work out so well in the end , did it?
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