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Posted: 5/4/2004 8:29:57 AM EST
If Black Talon ammo was so dangerous to Dr.'s and other emergency personel.....then we MUST ban hybrid cars for the same reason!! Suck on this envirowhackos!

Fox News Story here.

Hybrid Cars Pose Electrocution Risk

Tuesday, May 04, 2004

PHILADELPHIA — The growing popularity of hybrid vehicles is a step toward cleaner air and less dependance on gasoline. But for rescuers at accident scenes, they represent a potential new danger: a network of high-voltage circuitry that may require some precise cutting to save a trapped victim.

"You don't want to go crushing anything with hydraulic tools," said Samuel Caroluzzi, an assistant chief with the Norristown Fire Department (search) outside Philadelphia. "It's enough to kill you from what they're telling us in training."

Hybrids draw power from two sources, typically a gas or diesel engine combined with an electric motor. The battery powering the electric motor carries as much as 500 volts, more than 40 times the strength of a standard battery.

That worries those who must cut into cars to rescue people inside.

"If you can't shut it down, you don't know where the high voltage is," said David Dalrymple, an emergency medical technician in New Brunswick, N.J.

Manufacturers have put in place a laundry list of safety checks that the car's computer must go through for the electrical system to run. They've published guides showing where the electric components are on their models; on the Toyota Prius (search) and other hybrids, the high-power cables are colored bright orange to catch the eye of a rescue worker or a mechanic.

But there are concerns over what happens if something goes wrong and the battery, ignition and other points are inaccessible.

"It's the 'what-if' that worries me," said David Castiaux, an instructor for Mid-Del Technology Center (search) in Del City, Okla., who teaches rescue workers about hybrids.

Chris Peterson, a service training instructor for Toyota, said the Prius' electric system should shut down if anything goes wrong.

"There should not be high voltage in those cables, but I'm not going to stand up and say there isn't," he said.

First responders are taught to disconnect the battery and turn off the key immediately before cutting into a car, but that's not always possible.

"Years ago you could just cut with your extrication tools through a post, but now you have to look before you cut," said Ken Nelsen, chief of the Iselin Fire Department District 11 in Woodbridge Township, N.J. "It's just another thing you need to worry about."

When air bags started becoming more common in the 1980s, rescue workers became aware of their potential to seriously injure or kill when inflated. Those concerns have been heightened now that the safety devices are being installed in side panels, seats and other areas.

Concerns about hybrids are increasing in large part because of their growing popularity. Sales have risen at an average annual rate of 88.6 percent since 2000 and recent figures show the number of Americans driving them jumped more than 25 percent from 2002 to 2003.

The Honda Insight (search) and the Toyota Prius are common now and more are on the way: hybrid versions of the Ford Escape, Honda Accord and Lexus SUV this year, and a Toyota Highlander in 2005.

The Alachua County Fire Rescue in Gainesville, Fla., even has two hybrids of its own. Although its crews haven't had to deal with a hybrid crash, they've been getting versed on what to do when it happens, said Cliff Chapman, assistant chief.

They know not to cut into a hybrid's doors — that's where many of the cables are — and to peel off the roof instead. They also now operate under the assumption that a car is energized, wearing rubber gloves and boots.

Manufacturers say they will continue to keep rescue personnel up to date on their hybrids. But they also contend that hybrids can be seen as safer than regular cars.

"Everybody's concerned about the electrical side, but could you imagine if we tried to bring gasoline out today as a motor fuel?" Peterson said.

Link Posted: 5/4/2004 9:11:41 AM EST
What I find ridiculous/stupid/late-comer-to-the-party (take your pick) about this article is that my department was one of the
very first in the U.S. to start putting together a training package about how to deal with these cars, back when they first came
out. And that was like..... mid `91 or something like that, where they started really being sold. We had to almost get down &
beg, borrow or steal info from the dealers and/or manufacturers because they were being so "Secret Squirrel" about
the technology.

And I will admit, I haven't been to a call yet involving one, but when I do, the Pucker Factor gauge is going to be maxxed out,
as these things are scary! There are so many things that can go wrong, and we'd never know about it until it's too late, or
we're contaminated/burned/electrocuted....

You can be standing next to one with it's engine running, and you'd never know it unless you laid your hand on the hood, and
felt the vibration. They are that quiet. And the fuel tanks (or the first ones were at least) are plastic. Plus the nickel metal
hydride batteries that power them are reactive to stainless steel.... oh wait, that's what the battery boxes are made of! OOPS!

The whole rear end of those cars are practically one big battery, made up of cells. The batteries are
gel-type, and they are clear.
If the cells ruptured in the accident, and there is any moisture on the ground, we'd be walking around in the goo, and never
know it until it burned through our shoes, or we got our hands into it while we were doing cribbing (bracing the vehicle so that it
won't move) operations. (And yes, you should have your gloves on while you are doing this, but feces occur......)

I forget what the amperage is that the central power line carries, that runs from the engine compartment, back to the
batteries, but it's enough to make you a toe-tag candidate before you ever know what happened.

They give me the creeps just driving past one on the Beltway......
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