Red Sox Win would mean a symbolic victory for Kerry

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Red Sox Win would mean a symbolic victory for Kerry

Posted: 10/23/2004 4:36:13 PM EDT

They cannot be allowed to win. if they do take the series, then I guarantee Kerry will say -

"This is our year. The Sox won the series and we will win on November 2nd".

Can't you just Picture him saying that? Where the hell is Tonya Harding when you need her?

Posted: 10/23/2004 4:38:43 PM EDT

[#1]

He'll lose New York if he does!

Posted: 10/23/2004 4:39:41 PM EDT

[#2]

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They cannot be allowed to win. if they do take the series, then I guarantee Kerry will say -

"This is our year. The Sox won the series and we will win on November 2nd".

Can't you just Picture him saying that? Where the hell is Tonya Harding when you need her?

YES

ditto

Posted: 10/23/2004 4:41:27 PM EDT

[#3]

Nope LarryG assured me this would not be the case when I mentioned the Red Sox victory was a powerful piece of political imagery... But what do I know, not like I know anything about campaigns or public relations...

Posted: 10/23/2004 4:42:34 PM EDT

[#4]

Please don't mix sKerry up with the Red Sox!!! I'm a native Masshole and don't like that SOB one bit. But i love the Sox.

go SOX!!!

Posted: 10/23/2004 4:43:03 PM EDT

[#5]

Mentioning Kerry and the SOX in the same post is an insult to the SOX.

Posted: 10/23/2004 4:43:47 PM EDT

[#6]

The Sox will lose. Bush will win. I have forseen it.

Posted: 10/23/2004 4:45:45 PM EDT

[#7]

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The Sox will lose. Bush will win. I have forseen it.

So let it be written.....

So let it be DONE!

Posted: 10/23/2004 5:34:07 PM EDT

[#8]

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The Sox will lose. Bush will win. I have forseen it.

So let it be written.....

So let it be DONE!

And the division of America will be worse than it is now...

Posted: 10/23/2004 6:07:06 PM EDT

[#9]

The Sox Will Win.Bush Will Win.I see it.

Posted: 10/23/2004 6:11:38 PM EDT

[#10]

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The Sox will lose. Bush will win. I have forseen it.

So let it be written.....

So let it be DONE!

And the division of America will be worse than it is now...

Posted: 10/23/2004 6:11:45 PM EDT

[#11]

agreed. he already started the PR whoring after they won the ALCS

Posted: 10/23/2004 6:14:45 PM EDT

[#12]

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The Sox will lose. Bush will win. I have forseen it.

So let it be written.....

So let it be DONE!

And the division of America will be worse than it is now...

Ditto. He lost me, too....

Posted: 10/23/2004 6:24:02 PM EDT

[#13]

Ppl. still watch baseball? Oh, that's right, the drug enduced home run records have brought back the fans, I forgot...

Posted: 10/23/2004 6:29:46 PM EDT

[#14]

Kerry, forced to go to game, to reinforce "regular guy" credentials.
Camera pans....

Kerry appears on the Big Screen.

What happens?

1) He's in Boston. Baseball fans, mostly white guys, let's say 20% boo.
It will be deafening. It's HIS town. MO fans watching, along with the rest of the country.
Brutal.

2) He's in St.Louis. More boos. Swing State.
Brutal.

3) He doesn't go. Wha? He can't take time to see a game? He ain't no regular guy.
Bush shows up for game seven. First pitch. Strike.

Posted: 10/23/2004 7:48:18 PM EDT

[#15]

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The Sox will lose. Bush will win. I have forseen it.

So let it be written.....

So let it be DONE!

And the division of America will be worse than it is now...

Ditto. He lost me, too....

The angry people that are currently stealing Bush signs will be more angry if he wins. The "Stolen Election" outcry of 2000 will be a minor scuffle compared to the people flipping out this year.

Basically, the only way there won't be pseudo-riots is if Kerry winsRemember, freedom of speech, unless it bashes Democrats.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

Posted: 10/23/2004 7:50:13 PM EDT

[#16]

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Ppl. still watch baseball? Oh, that's right, the drug enduced home run records have brought back the fans, I forgot...

i've been watching and following baseball for the past 8 or 9 years.....

Posted: 10/23/2004 7:51:25 PM EDT

[#17]

Dude, the Red Sux are playing the Choke Louis Cardinals, and they have home-field.

Count on the Redbirds to mail it in...they shot their wad in the NLCS.

I've watched 'em for too long.

SG

Posted: 10/23/2004 8:05:29 PM EDT

[#18]

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Nope LarryG assured me this would not be the case when I mentioned the Red Sox victory was a powerful piece of political imagery... But what do I know, not like I know anything about campaigns or public relations...

I agree with you HiramRanger, and this is why. The big push right now is for the undecided voters. Now, in this election year, who in the world could be undecided at this point in the race?

In a word - idiots.

These are people who don't really care about the issues of the day, the ones who are happy as long as they've got their fast-food, Pabst Blue Ribbon, and Jerry Springer at 4 pm. These are the folks that a Red Sox win would influence. In their mind, "The Red Sox are from Boston. John Kerry is from Boston. The Red Sox are winners. There's a picture on the TV of John Kerry with the Red Sox. He must be a winner too. I'll vote for him."

Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

GO CARDINALS!!!

Posted: 10/23/2004 8:31:25 PM EDT

[#19]

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Nope LarryG assured me this would not be the case when I mentioned the Red Sox victory was a powerful piece of political imagery... But what do I know, not like I know anything about campaigns or public relations...

I agree with you HiramRanger, and this is why. The big push right now is for the undecided voters. Now, in this election year, who in the world could be undecided at this point in the race?

In a word - idiots.

These are people who don't really care about the issues of the day, the ones who are happy as long as they've got their fast-food, Pabst Blue Ribbon, and Jerry Springer at 4 pm. These are the folks that a Red Sox win would influence. In their mind, "The Red Sox are from Boston. John Kerry is from Boston. The Red Sox are winners. There's a picture on the TV of John Kerry with the Red Sox. He must be a winner too. I'll vote for him."

Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.

GO CARDINALS!!!

I guess what bothers me is the outcome of the election will be based on the outcome of a baseball game...

Posted: 10/23/2004 8:36:00 PM EDT

[#20]

Bothers me too... and I don't think it will be THE determining factor, but anybody can not see it as a real issue we are up against is a fool.

Posted: 10/23/2004 8:52:35 PM EDT

[#21]

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Nope LarryG assured me this would not be the case when I mentioned the Red Sox victory was a powerful piece of political imagery... But what do I know, not like I know anything about campaigns or public relations...

I stand by that. If anyone really thinks one has anything to do with the other, they should seek professional help.

Posted: 10/23/2004 8:55:12 PM EDT

[#22]

Yes, those people who base their votes on something like that are fools... but that doesn't mean they won't and that doesn't mean that there aren't people looking to exploit this as a campaign issue. Come on, it won't kill you, just admit that I was right in saying this would become a campaign issue... regardless of whether it SHOULD be or not.

Posted: 10/23/2004 9:14:41 PM EDT

[#23]

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Yes, those people who base their votes on something like that are fools... but that doesn't mean they won't and that doesn't mean that there aren't people looking to exploit this as a campaign issue. Come on, it won't kill you, just admit that I was right in saying this would become a campaign issue... regardless of whether it SHOULD be or not.

Well, gee, the only two who put forth this nonsense also happen to be fans of the A: team they beat and B: the team they are currently playing.

Posted: 10/23/2004 9:30:18 PM EDT

[#24]

He was gonna win Mass anyway.

Posted: 10/23/2004 9:32:19 PM EDT

[#25]

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Yes, those people who base their votes on something like that are fools... but that doesn't mean they won't and that doesn't mean that there aren't people looking to exploit this as a campaign issue. Come on, it won't kill you, just admit that I was right in saying this would become a campaign issue... regardless of whether it SHOULD be or not.

Well, gee, the only two who put forth this nonsense also happen to be fans of the A: team they beat and B: the team they are currently playing.

Nope, I really don't follow baseball at all. I'm an Atlanta Falcons fan.

Posted: 10/23/2004 9:34:00 PM EDT

[#26]

You want to keep talking smack Larry or admit you are wrong?

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6301121/site/newsweek

politicalwire.com/archives/2004/10/22/can_the_red_sox_help_kerry.html

Those are two... and if you watch the cable news stations you would know this is being talkied about extensively.

OK, I'm done with this... Larry, you were wrong, the sign of a man is someone who can admit when they are wrong.

Posted: 10/23/2004 9:34:13 PM EDT

[#27]

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Yes, those people who base their votes on something like that are fools... but that doesn't mean they won't and that doesn't mean that there aren't people looking to exploit this as a campaign issue. Come on, it won't kill you, just admit that I was right in saying this would become a campaign issue... regardless of whether it SHOULD be or not.

Well, gee, the only two who put forth this nonsense also happen to be fans of the A: team they beat and B: the team they are currently playing.

Nope, I really don't follow baseball at all. I'm an Atlanta Falcons fan.

You did say "Go Cards" in your post.

Did you become a Falcon's fan when Vick arrived or before then?

Posted: 10/23/2004 9:37:06 PM EDT

[#28]

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You want to keep talking smack Larry or admit you are wrong?

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6301121/site/newsweek

politicalwire.com/archives/2004/10/22/can_the_red_sox_help_kerry.html

Those are two... and if you watch the cable news stations you would know this is being talkied about extensively.

OK, I'm done with this... Larry, you were wrong, the sign of a man is someone who can admit when they are wrong.

I am not wrong, so why admit it? I don't care who is talking about it, the two things are not connected, no matter how much MSNBC wants it to be. They may try to make it an issue, but it is not, no matter how much they talk about it. It will have no bearing on the election, period.

It's all bullshit. You are the one who needs to admit this is all about your Yankees losing, period. Apply your own "sign of a man" bullshit to yourself.

Posted: 10/23/2004 9:44:35 PM EDT

[#29]

Ummmmmm ok assuming your lame ass denial was remotely correct... how does my supposed affinity for the Yankee effect what pundits all over the nation are stating? Now, I have some influence with the media given what I do for a living... but not even close.

I think we can all see what the reality is here... you got spanked like a school girl and you're going to sit in the corner and say I know you are but what am I until people let you slide with your ignorance. I however won't allow that, because as everybody knows, if you don't correct a spoiled child they will never learn their lesson. So please, explain to me about how my being a Yankees fan and not being able to accept an amazing Red Sox performance has somehow led the mational media to state exactly what I said they were going to say... before they even said it.

*grabbing popcorn* THIS should be good... go ahead Larry... dazzle us with this superior intellect you threw in our faces. We're all waiting...

Posted: 10/23/2004 9:50:55 PM EDT

[#30]

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Yes, those people who base their votes on something like that are fools... but that doesn't mean they won't and that doesn't mean that there aren't people looking to exploit this as a campaign issue. Come on, it won't kill you, just admit that I was right in saying this would become a campaign issue... regardless of whether it SHOULD be or not.

Well, gee, the only two who put forth this nonsense also happen to be fans of the A: team they beat and B: the team they are currently playing.

Nope, I really don't follow baseball at all. I'm an Atlanta Falcons fan.

You did say "Go Cards" in your post.

Did you become a Falcon's fan when Vick arrived or before then?

I said "Go Cardinals" because of the basic premise of my post. I don't want Kerry to have any PR advantage, no matter how small. As for your crack about my affinity for the Falcons, I am originally from Cordele, GA. I have been a Falcons fan for 30+ years. No bandwagon here, Buckwheat.

Posted: 10/23/2004 10:08:43 PM EDT

[#31]

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Nope LarryG assured me this would not be the case when I mentioned the Red Sox victory was a powerful piece of political imagery... But what do I know, not like I know anything about campaigns or public relations...

I stand by that. If anyone really thinks one has anything to do with the other, they should seek professional help.

you honestly don't think kerry getting on tv every chance he gets to show himself watching the baseball game, just 'being one of the guys' helps him?

Posted: 10/23/2004 10:10:37 PM EDT

[#32]

Well, looking at www.electoral-vote.com and www.electionprojection.com isn't making me feel "confident".

They are using polls from the 21st, and it is either a "no win" or a "Kerry Win".

Posted: 10/23/2004 10:34:12 PM EDT

[#33]

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The Sox will lose. Bush will win. I have forseen it.

+1
Besides, if the Sox win, their fans will have nothing to identify with. It just wouldn't be the same.

Posted: 10/24/2004 5:12:02 AM EDT

[#34]

Sorry, Hiram, but I must agree with Larry here...

The outcome o the World Series (or the penant race, for that matter) will have ZERO to do with this election in reality.

Sure, some will try to spin it that way (the dork in that Newsweek article is an example) just to make themselves feel better and to be able to point to it IF their prediction turns out to be right, but to think that any significant portion of the electorate will actually vote one way or the other because of the outcome of the baseball season is REALLY reaching.

Posted: 10/24/2004 6:08:51 AM EDT

[#35]

Damn it, had Astro won, we'd have a Texas vs. Massechusette World Series right before the election of a Texan vs. French.

Posted: 10/24/2004 6:15:29 AM EDT

[#36]

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Sorry, Hiram, but I must agree with Larry here...

The outcome o the World Series (or the penant race, for that matter) will have ZERO to do with this election in reality.

Sure, some will try to spin it that way (the dork in that Newsweek article is an example) just to make themselves feel better and to be able to point to it IF their prediction turns out to be right, but to think that any significant portion of the electorate will actually vote one way or the other because of the outcome of the baseball season is REALLY reaching.

Once again, you need to go back to my original statement in another thread. I did not say the election would be determined by the outcome of the series... that is Larry trying to spin my argument to serve his purposes. I said the Red Sox and their amazing come from behind performance would be used as a piece of political imagery as Kerry was always known as the Comeback Kid and you could hear the pundits crowing about it after the first debate. I said the comparisson would be made far and wide and it might play with some idiots that shouldn't be allowed to vote, but it would be used... and it HAS been used. Changing somebody's argument that you can't defeat to one that you can is a classic debating strategy and Larry has tried to do that here by arguing no possible way it would determine the election... which I happen to agree with. However, that is not the argument that was made. Once again, I said for a Senator from Boston who has a history of being the "Comeback Kid," Boston's come from behind , never done before, 4-0 sweep to win the ALCS would fire up Kerry's base and give him a motivational tool. It has done all of that.

Now if somebody can show me where I said that Boston winning the series would result in Kerry winning solely from that, I'll eat crow right here.

Good luck to anybody who goes searching for that.

Posted: 10/24/2004 9:57:15 AM EDT

[#37]

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Sorry, Hiram, but I must agree with Larry here...

The outcome o the World Series (or the penant race, for that matter) will have ZERO to do with this election in reality.

Sure, some will try to spin it that way (the dork in that Newsweek article is an example) just to make themselves feel better and to be able to point to it IF their prediction turns out to be right, but to think that any significant portion of the electorate will actually vote one way or the other because of the outcome of the baseball season is REALLY reaching.

Once again, you need to go back to my original statement in another thread. I did not say the election would be determined by the outcome of the series... that is Larry trying to spin my argument to serve his purposes. I said the Red Sox and their amazing come from behind performance would be used as a piece of political imagery as Kerry was always known as the Comeback Kid and you could hear the pundits crowing about it after the first debate. I said the comparisson would be made far and wide and it might play with some idiots that shouldn't be allowed to vote, but it would be used... and it HAS been used. Changing somebody's argument that you can't defeat to one that you can is a classic debating strategy and Larry has tried to do that here by arguing no possible way it would determine the election... which I happen to agree with. However, that is not the argument that was made. Once again, I said for a Senator from Boston who has a history of being the "Comeback Kid," Boston's come from behind , never done before, 4-0 sweep to win the ALCS would fire up Kerry's base and give him a motivational tool. It has done all of that.

Now if somebody can show me where I said that Boston winning the series would result in Kerry winning solely from that, I'll eat crow right here.

Good luck to anybody who goes searching for that.

I didn't spin anything for my purpose, as I am not the one spouting this ludicrous bullshit.

What I have said is that they are two seperate entities, that one has nothing to do with the other. If it would not result in Kerry winning, what is your point? Why even bring it up. While you may not have said it directly, that sure seems to be the crux of your argument.

Besides, you already said you were done with this thread, yet you continue to post.

Posted: 10/24/2004 9:58:14 AM EDT

[#38]

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Yes, those people who base their votes on something like that are fools... but that doesn't mean they won't and that doesn't mean that there aren't people looking to exploit this as a campaign issue. Come on, it won't kill you, just admit that I was right in saying this would become a campaign issue... regardless of whether it SHOULD be or not.

Well, gee, the only two who put forth this nonsense also happen to be fans of the A: team they beat and B: the team they are currently playing.

Nope, I really don't follow baseball at all. I'm an Atlanta Falcons fan.

You did say "Go Cards" in your post.

Did you become a Falcon's fan when Vick arrived or before then?

I said "Go Cardinals" because of the basic premise of my post. I don't want Kerry to have any PR advantage, no matter how small. As for your crack about my affinity for the Falcons, I am originally from Cordele, GA. I have been a Falcons fan for 30+ years. No bandwagon here, Buckwheat.

Well, Alfalfa, that wasn't a crack, it was just a question. Overyly sensitive?

Posted: 10/24/2004 9:59:15 AM EDT

[#39]

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Nope LarryG assured me this would not be the case when I mentioned the Red Sox victory was a powerful piece of political imagery... But what do I know, not like I know anything about campaigns or public relations...

I stand by that. If anyone really thinks one has anything to do with the other, they should seek professional help.
you honestly don't think kerry getting on tv every chance he gets to show himself watching the baseball game, just 'being one of the guys' helps him?

Nope, I don't think it will help him one bit. He may try it, but it is irrelevant.

Posted: 10/24/2004 2:35:29 PM EDT

[#40]

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Sorry, Hiram, but I must agree with Larry here...

The outcome o the World Series (or the penant race, for that matter) will have ZERO to do with this election in reality.

Sure, some will try to spin it that way (the dork in that Newsweek article is an example) just to make themselves feel better and to be able to point to it IF their prediction turns out to be right, but to think that any significant portion of the electorate will actually vote one way or the other because of the outcome of the baseball season is REALLY reaching.

Once again, you need to go back to my original statement in another thread. I did not say the election would be determined by the outcome of the series... that is Larry trying to spin my argument to serve his purposes. I said the Red Sox and their amazing come from behind performance would be used as a piece of political imagery as Kerry was always known as the Comeback Kid and you could hear the pundits crowing about it after the first debate. I said the comparisson would be made far and wide and it might play with some idiots that shouldn't be allowed to vote, but it would be used... and it HAS been used. Changing somebody's argument that you can't defeat to one that you can is a classic debating strategy and Larry has tried to do that here by arguing no possible way it would determine the election... which I happen to agree with. However, that is not the argument that was made. Once again, I said for a Senator from Boston who has a history of being the "Comeback Kid," Boston's come from behind , never done before, 4-0 sweep to win the ALCS would fire up Kerry's base and give him a motivational tool. It has done all of that.

Now if somebody can show me where I said that Boston winning the series would result in Kerry winning solely from that, I'll eat crow right here.

Good luck to anybody who goes searching for that.

Ah!

I stand corrected....

Posted: 10/24/2004 2:52:14 PM EDT

[#41]

I agree with Hiram, and that is exactly what I meant when I made this post. Kerry will get a swell, and also a morale boost into the election. It will give them hope. We do not need this. I originally wrote this before I even knew that there were news articles written, and it seems I am not the only one who thinks this way. But only time will tell, and in a few days somebody will win the world series, and soon after that someone will be elected president. I just hope to god that it is not kerry.

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