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Posted: 1/26/2014 1:30:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/26/2014 1:40:25 PM EDT by FP2000H]
So, I have seen both the original and the remake a couple times each now. Notwithstanding the obvious plot holes of how an invading force would manage to sneak by through radar to land in middle America or occupy a region of north America using an army of paratroopers, I can't tell if these movies are pure comedy gold or a manual for the resistance.

I was just a kid in the 80's, but did people really think this stuff was going to happen?
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:31:27 PM EDT
Back when the Russians and comblock were for real anything was possible.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:32:37 PM EDT
IIRC they stated the para's were onboard commercial flights...

1st is a masterpiece of the 80's
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:33:01 PM EDT
The original sucked donkey balls. The acting was terrible even by 80's standards.



Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:34:01 PM EDT
"Tinfoil circle jerk" is putting it mildly.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:35:55 PM EDT
Epic poll fail.
The original accomplished its goal.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:36:37 PM EDT
About as crazy as a bunch of muslims trained in Florida turning planes into cruise missiles.
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Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:37:51 PM EDT
Did you mean to use the word "or" in your thread title?

The beginning of the movie outlined the scenario that would allow it to happen, and it wasn't like that happened in a vacuum - it was just in the part of America that did not get nuked.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:37:58 PM EDT
It's an 80's piece of propaganda.
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Epic poll fail.

The original accomplished its goal.
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Which was what?



 
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:39:38 PM EDT
America Getting invaded?

Sure.

A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?

Not so much.

Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...

But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.

American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.
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Originally Posted By FP2000H:


So, I have seen both the original and the remake a couple times each now. Notwithstanding the obvious plot holes of how an invading force would manage to sneak by through radar to land in middle America or occupy a region of north America using an army of paratroopers, I can't tell if these movies are pure comedy gold or a manual for the resistance.



I was just a kid in the 80's, but did people really think this stuff was going to happen?
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While I enjoyed them both...both movies beg the question: 'Why wouldn't we nuke the mother-fuckers?'






 

Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:40:20 PM EDT
I absolutely love the movie. I own it on DVD.

That being said, there are so many things about the movie that are unreal/fake/does not make any sense.

Watching it one day with my dad many years ago, he pointed this out to me. Now it is a running joke in our family to call anything fake "Red Dawny"
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Did you mean to use the word "or" in your thread title?

The beginning of the movie outlined the scenario that would allow it to happen, and it wasn't like that happened in a vacuum - it was just in the part of America that did not get nuked.
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I did. Fixed.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
America Getting invaded?

Sure.

A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?

Not so much.

Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...

But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.

American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.
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These days I agree mostly, back then kids still had some sack.
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Originally Posted By pcsutton:
While I enjoyed them both...both movies beg the question: 'Why wouldn't we nuke the mother-fuckers?'


 

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Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
So, I have seen both the original and the remake a couple times each now. Notwithstanding the obvious plot holes of how an invading force would manage to sneak by through radar to land in middle America or occupy a region of north America using an army of paratroopers, I can't tell if these movies are pure comedy gold or a manual for the resistance.

I was just a kid in the 80's, but did people really think this stuff was going to happen?
While I enjoyed them both...both movies beg the question: 'Why wouldn't we nuke the mother-fuckers?'


 



It didn't show the American Global Response.

It only showed one part of the war.

(High School Kids fighting Cubans/norks) depending on which one you watch.
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Originally Posted By CWO:
"Tinfoil circle jerk" is putting it mildly.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:


America Getting invaded?



Sure.



A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?



Not so much.



Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...



But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.



American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.
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these were kids of the 70's though...







 
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in context of the cold war release date it was a good movie.
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Originally Posted By CWO:


Which was what?
 
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Originally Posted By CWO:
Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Epic poll fail.
The original accomplished its goal.


Which was what?
 


See the post above yours.
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Originally Posted By AeroScout23:


These days I agree mostly, back then kids still had some sack.
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Originally Posted By AeroScout23:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
America Getting invaded?

Sure.

A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?

Not so much.

Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...

But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.

American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.


These days I agree mostly, back then kids still had some sack.


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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
America Getting invaded?

Sure.

A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?

Not so much.

Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...

But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.

American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.
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Today the government would order the citizens to shelter in place cower in fear.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:46:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
......I was just a kid in the 80's, but did people really think this stuff was going to happen?
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This 80s TV movie helped change US policy. It scared the living shit out of people.


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Today the government would order the citizens to shelter in place cower in fear.
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Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
America Getting invaded?

Sure.

A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?

Not so much.

Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...

But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.

American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.


Today the government would order the citizens to shelter in place cower in fear.


Today's people would listen and obey.
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See the post above yours.
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Originally Posted By CWO:


Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:

Epic poll fail.

The original accomplished its goal.




Which was what?

 




See the post above yours.


I'm missing the value of such propaganda.  What or who is to benefit from such a cheesy movie?



 
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:


Today's people would listen and obey.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
America Getting invaded?

Sure.

A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?

Not so much.

Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...

But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.

American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.


Today the government would order the citizens to shelter in place cower in fear.


Today's people would listen and obey.


I welcome our new Soviet, Cuban, Chinese North Korean masters.
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Originally Posted By MurdocUSA:
The original sucked donkey balls. The acting was terrible even by 80's standards.



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It all depends on how old you were when it came out, I was a bit younger than the HS kids it potrayed so it didn't seem juvenile or silly to me but very plausible.
My mother hated it.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:49:56 PM EDT
"Day after" scared me shitless I think I  voted for Mondale but by 85 I was a Ronny Guy  and taped his amazing farewell speech in 1988.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 1:50:37 PM EDT
You made it through the remake twice?

Different era OP. Cold War was everywhere.
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Originally Posted By CWO:

I'm missing the value of such propaganda.  What or who is to benefit from such a cheesy movie?
 
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Originally Posted By CWO:
Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Originally Posted By CWO:
Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Epic poll fail.
The original accomplished its goal.


Which was what?
 


See the post above yours.

I'm missing the value of such propaganda.  What or who is to benefit from such a cheesy movie?
 

I take it that you weren't an adult at that time.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
America Getting invaded?

Sure.

A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?

Not so much.

Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...

But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.

American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.
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I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here.

I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly.
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:


This 80s TV movie helped change US policy. It scared the living shit out of people.

http://clzimages.com/movie/large/21/21_d_15000_0_TheDayAfter.jpg
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
......I was just a kid in the 80's, but did people really think this stuff was going to happen?


This 80s TV movie helped change US policy. It scared the living shit out of people.

http://clzimages.com/movie/large/21/21_d_15000_0_TheDayAfter.jpg


Apparently, Dr. Strangelove had the same effect back in the day. My gf's dad was an Air Force pilot during the time that movie came out.
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I take it that you weren't an adult at that time.
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Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:



Originally Posted By CWO:


Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:


Originally Posted By CWO:


Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:

Epic poll fail.

The original accomplished its goal.




Which was what?

 




See the post above yours.


I'm missing the value of such propaganda.  What or who is to benefit from such a cheesy movie?

 


I take it that you weren't an adult at that time.




By a long shot.



 
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Originally Posted By brass:
It promoted self-reliance and responsibility as something even kids need.



No movie could overcome the "pussification wall" today.



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Originally Posted By CWO:

I'm missing the value of such propaganda.  What or who is to benefit from such a cheesy movie?

 




It promoted self-reliance and responsibility as something even kids need.



No movie could overcome the "pussification wall" today.







Is anyone maintaining that it had even a slight effect in that respect?



 
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:


Today's people would listen and obey.
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
America Getting invaded?

Sure.

A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?

Not so much.

Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...

But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.

American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.


Today the government would order the citizens to shelter in place cower in fear.


Today's people would listen and obey.


Most people would, at any time. Sure, there might be a slightly larger proportion of dissidents or resistance actors at one time versus another, but history has amply shown (and psychologists have repeatedly demonstrated, starting with Milgram) that people will just go along with the program the vast majority of the time.
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This one was from 1990 but it was another WWIII type movie that fed off the fear of instability in the rapidly dissolving Soviet Union. James Earl Jones was great in it.



Planet of the Apes, darling.
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Originally Posted By FP2000H:


I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here.

I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly.
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Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
America Getting invaded?

Sure.

A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?

Not so much.

Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...

But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.

American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.


I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here.

I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly.


My 12 year old nephew knows more about shooting than the average insurgent Ive encountered.

And in Red Dawn the kids made accidental contact with the enemy at first.  And you'll notice that the following engagements that they didnt choose were the ones where they took casualties.  And we rely way more heavily on aerial surveilance and attack than the Russians did in Afghanistan or in this case a US invasion.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 2:00:43 PM EDT
If you don't think about it, it's good.  

The Soviets never had the logistical means to support a sustained conventional attack on the continental US.  Plus the USN would have smacked the USSR when it came to any blue water conflict.
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It's actually a shitload more crazy.

For one, one of them actually happened, the other didn't.

I can handle plot holes to a degree or an implausible storyline but that combined with the acting... Nope, can't do it.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 2:01:55 PM EDT
Masterpiece?? Other movies from that year, Terminator, Blood Simple, Indiana Jones. Once Upon A Time In America, The Killing Fields.
I put it along some of the funnier movies of the year. Footloose, Ghost Busters, 16 Candles,
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Originally Posted By AeroScout23:


My 12 year old nephew knows more about shooting than the average insurgent Ive encountered.

And in Red Dawn the kids made accidental contact with the enemy at first.  And you'll notice that the following engagements that they didnt choose were the ones where they took casualties.  And we rely way more heavily on aerial surveilance and attack than the Russians did in Afghanistan or in this case a US invasion.
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Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
America Getting invaded?

Sure.

A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?

Not so much.

Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...

But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.

American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.


I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here.

I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly.


My 12 year old nephew knows more about shooting than the average insurgent Ive encountered.

And in Red Dawn the kids made accidental contact with the enemy at first.  And you'll notice that the following engagements that they didnt choose were the ones where they took casualties.  And we rely way more heavily on aerial surveilance and attack than the Russians did in Afghanistan or in this case a US invasion.


Ya..the ones they did choose..their weapons never jammed, they never missed, and the enemy went down with one shot.

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It all depends on how old you were when it came out, I was a bit younger than the HS kids it potrayed so it didn't seem juvenile or silly to me but very plausible.
My mother hated it.
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Originally Posted By MurdocUSA:
The original sucked donkey balls. The acting was terrible even by 80's standards.



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It all depends on how old you were when it came out, I was a bit younger than the HS kids it potrayed so it didn't seem juvenile or silly to me but very plausible.
My mother hated it.


I was an 80's kid but  didn't see it for the first time until 2012 while setting at the USO in Manas Kyrgyzstan. People were fully into it while I was looking around with my mouth open wondering why nobody changed the movie.
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The original Red Dawn movie was late, it highlighted Jimmy Carter's era.
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Ya..the ones they did choose..their weapons never jammed, they never missed, and the enemy went down with one shot.

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Originally Posted By AeroScout23:
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
America Getting invaded?

Sure.

A bunch of High School children fighting an Army?

Not so much.

Maybe if our kids had the war experience from Africa or Afghanistan...

But "our kids" can't even get bullied without crying about it.

American FSA would merely just ask for something from the new masters.


I think that is the part that gets me in the original. It's a stretch to believe that kids armed with fudd weapons could essentially take the fight to an invading army. We beat the shit out of Iraq insurgents and they had fully automatic weapons. In that context, I think the remake took a slightly more realistic approach to how an effective insurgency would have to play out. Even then, this is Hollywood we're talking about here.

I also think a slow disintegration from within is more likely than a foreign invasion that rallies the American spirit to victory. I believe you're right about the FSA part, sadly.


My 12 year old nephew knows more about shooting than the average insurgent Ive encountered.

And in Red Dawn the kids made accidental contact with the enemy at first.  And you'll notice that the following engagements that they didnt choose were the ones where they took casualties.  And we rely way more heavily on aerial surveilance and attack than the Russians did in Afghanistan or in this case a US invasion.


Ya..the ones they did choose..their weapons never jammed, they never missed, and the enemy went down with one shot.



Well duh, AK's never jam.  And back then Colorado kids smoked less pot and shot more guns

ETA:  Ive shot AK's that have been pulled out of the ground, that myth of reliablity is just a myth.
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Get both.
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I phucked your poal.
Link Posted: 1/26/2014 2:19:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FP2000H:
So, I have seen both the original and the remake a couple times each now. Notwithstanding the obvious plot holes of how an invading force would manage to sneak by through radar to land in middle America or occupy a region of north America using an army of paratroopers, I can't tell if these movies are pure comedy gold or a manual for the resistance.

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Listen, son.  As an old Cold Warrior, I can tell you:  Them Commie Bastards meant business.

It's even more serious NOW.  With Colorado disarmed, we could see a North Korean / Red Chinese / Venezuelan invasion AT ANY TIME.

And with the commies hosting the Olympics as a distraction...IT IS FO TIME!

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