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Posted: 9/27/2005 11:35:40 AM EDT
GET YOUR DHIMMI ON!

Red Cross movement to get new emblem
23 Sep 2005

LONDON (AlertNet) – For years, military medics and humanitarian aid workers have relied on the protective power of the red cross and red crescent as they braved battle zones to help the wounded. Soon they’ll have a third emblem at their disposal to tout their neutrality: the red crystal.

Planned changes to Geneva Conventions governing the rules of war will allow use of the crystal - a diamond-shaped red frame on a white background – as a new protective emblem stripped of any religious or political significance.

The crystal could be a boon for aid workers and medics operating in a war-torn country like Eritrea, equally divided between Christians and Muslims.

It will also have concrete implications for one of the world’s biggest humanitarian networks, settling a long-running dispute over Israel’s membership in the Red Cross Red Crescent movement and unfreezing valuable American funding that has been held back over the issue.

“The existing emblems don’t suit a small number of countries,” said Ian Piper, spokesman for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), which oversees the Geneva Conventions and provides humanitarian support in conflict zones.

“If we’re serious about universality and inclusiveness, we have to do something to make it possible for them to become full members of the movement. This will allow that to happen, without proliferating a whole range of national signs, which would reduce the effectiveness of the emblem.”

The Red Cross Red Crescent movement consists of about 180 national societies primarily concerned with emergency response and training within their own countries. The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) is the official umbrella body that ties them all together.

Until now, Israel’s Star of David Society, or Magem David Adom (MDA), has only had observer status in the IFRC because its symbol - the Star of David - is not recognised under Geneva Conventions.

A handful of other national societies are also limited to observer status either because they aren’t aligned to fully recognised states or because their emblems aren't recognised. These include societies in Eritrea, Palestinian territories, Tuvalu and Comoros.

The Swiss government – the depository state of the Geneva Conventions - says that by the end of the year it will call a conference of the 192 countries who are signatories with the aim of establishing the red crystal as an official alternative.

The Swiss were on the verge of holding a similar meeting in late 2000 but dropped the idea because of the start of the second Palestinian intifada, or uprising against Israeli occupation, fearing the conference could descend into a clash over Middle East politics.

“It has been a very long effort … to get the state of Israel and Magen David Adom as equal members of the Red Cross Red Crescent movement,” said the director of MDA’s international department, Yonatan Yagadovsky.

SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES

The new emblem will eventually allow both MDA and Israeli military medical staff to use the crystal on its own as a protective symbol in conflicts to show the bearer is a neutral humanitarian player. The Star of David will still be used inside the crystal as MDA’s logo within Israel’s borders.

“Do you seriously think the governments of the world would agree to Israel alone having its own sign without opening the door to all the others?” said the ICRC’s Piper. “To the red wheel of India, the red sun of Japan, to whatever the Chinese might want or the Brazilians might want? I don’t think they would.”

Sensitivities over the use of emblems came to the fore after the Indian Ocean tsunami, when the Israeli MDA provided relief in Sri Lanka. When societies work abroad they consult the national society in the host country about the best emblem to use. In this case, MDA worked under the joint emblem of the cross and Star of David.

The dispute over Israel’s membership has had serious financial consequences for the IFRC, with the American Red Cross withholding $5 million a year in membership dues to the IFRC since 2000 in protest over what it saw as discrimination against the Israeli society. It has also withheld overheads to the ICRC.

The loss of funding -- 25 percent of the IFRC secretariat’s budget -- led to 15 job losses in July 2002.

American Red Cross spokeswoman Devorah Goldburg said she was hopeful the dispute could be resolved and payments resumed by spring or summer of 2006.

“We think it’s a great step forward. We’re very positive,” she said.

WILL IT WORK?

While it is likely to be some time before Israel becomes a full member of the IFRC due to the lengthy procedures involved, the new emblem promises to benefit other countries outside the Red Cross Red Crescent family.

Eritrea wants to use the cross and the crescent together, and the frame of the new emblem would allow for this. Kazakhstan had wanted the same thing, but gave up waiting and opted for the crescent.

Piper said some African countries might also want to adopt a symbol incorporating the cross and the crescent.

An Iranian symbol of a lion and a sun was adopted in a previous protocol, but has not been used since 1980.

“The new emblem can unite and give more abilities to the Red Cross Red Crescent movement,” said MDA’s Yagadovsky

But some aid workers have wondered whether the new emblem will ever have the protective weight of the internationally recognised cross and crescent. At a time when aid agencies – including the ICRC – are coming under attack in hotspots such as Afghanistan and Iraq, will the crystal really be recognised as a symbol of neutrality?

“We have to explain it,” Yagadovsky said. “What is this change and what does it mean?”

He said the new emblem was already part of MDA and ICRC courses about the values of the humanitarian movement.

“It’s very important to get across the message that the movement is a neutral movement,” Yagadovsky said.

www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefresources/112748148529.htm
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 11:37:38 AM EDT
Must have been Kanye West's idea.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 11:37:46 AM EDT
They'll never get another drop of blood out of me.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 11:40:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2005 11:41:23 AM EDT by Dolomite]
Let's just try (for once) and not allow random internet rage to sully the American Red Cross (which has nothing at all to so with this).
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 11:41:30 AM EDT
Red Cross, Red Cresent, Red Crystal, Red Whatever. It's just another target for people who don't respect human life.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 11:42:50 AM EDT
So the Red Crescent is gonna change too? NO OF COURSE NOT
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 11:43:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dolomite:
Let's just try (for once) and not allow random internet rage to sully the American Red Cross (which has nothing at all to so with this).



+1 unless the American Red Cross decides to join the International Red Crystal Society, which incidently sounds alot like something you'd here in a Zelda game.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 11:47:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pale_pony:
They'll never get another drop of blood out of me.

+1
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:03:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2005 12:06:03 PM EDT by FLGreg]
Once again it is the Jews' fault.

This might pose a problem for those opposed to the New Agers and the Metaphysical (Feng Shui, Chi, Chakra) crowd. Aren't such crystals used to bring a "spectrum of positive energy".

ETA: It looks like, from the article, that those using the Red Cross and the Star of David would don their special "Red Crystal" gear for overseas disasters but keep the usual garb with inside their own countries.

Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:07:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2005 12:13:02 PM EDT by Only_Hits_Count]
I feel slighted......


I want to donate to the Red Rune......


I guess the red sun wheel would also be acceptable.....
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:08:22 PM EDT
I am waiting for the red afro.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:10:21 PM EDT
A "protective emblem" for the universe!

Get your red crystal now!

Call 1-800-BS-NOW and order this special gem crafted from the most holy places in Castle Grayskull!



JFC!!!!


Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:10:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
I am waiting for the red afro.



or the Red M4gery
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:11:01 PM EDT
This is a joke right?
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:14:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:16:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
So the Red Crescent is gonna change too? NO OF COURSE NOT


Yeah, I seem to recall 20 or so muslims killing 3000+ of my fellow country men.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:28:51 PM EDT
Just so ya know - Muslims did not pressure the IRC for this change.
The change came from European Aetheists.
My .02 cents.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:31:23 PM EDT
I am all out of caring if Moslems get offended. They offend ME.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:32:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
I am waiting for the red afro.



or the Red M4gery



I'm holding out for the redhead
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:34:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FLGreg:
Once again it is the Jews' fault.




"American Red Cross spokeswoman Devorah Goldburg said she was hopeful....."
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:36:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2005 12:37:17 PM EDT by ArmedAggie]

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
I am waiting for the red afro.



Isn't that McDonalds?

Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:38:56 PM EDT
unbelievable!

I request a [PissOnMuslims] gif
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:42:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2005 12:44:07 PM EDT by ArmedAggie]
Shows what whores they are to get every penny. To me that only sullies their image to associate themselves with that kind of people over a few bucks. What's worse is the people that would refuse the help in a dire emergency simply because of the shape of the red stamp on the box. If your priorities are that screwed up then you can die fend for yourself as far as I'm concerned.

ETA: Some people can't be helped. Some people shouldn't be helped.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:51:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
I am all out of caring if Moslems get offended. They offend ME.




Originally Posted By Hectic:
unbelievable!

I request a [PissOnMuslims] gif



Just so ya know - Muslims did not pressure the IRC for this change.
The change came from European Aetheists.
My .02 cents.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:55:59 PM EDT
Has nothing to do with pissed off Muslims and the emblem is not being replaced either.

www.icrc.org

Switzerland: An additional emblem alongside the red cross and red crescent

In a joint press release issued by the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) and the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (International Federation), the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement welcomes the intention of the Swiss government to convene a diplomatic conference in the near future, at the very latest before the end of the year, to adopt an additional emblem alongside the red cross and red crescent emblems.

An additional emblem would provide a comprehensive and lasting solution to the emblem question. The ICRC and the International Federation urge all governments to support the ongoing process of consultation.

The diplomatic conference would convene the governments of the 192 States that are party to the Geneva Conventions to consider the adoption of a third additional protocol to the Conventions, creating an additional protective emblem. The new sign is "a red frame in the shape of a square on edge on a white ground" and would enjoy equal status in all respects with the red cross and red crescent. It would be known as the red crystal.

The additional emblem would be free of any perception of religious, political or other connotation. It would enable National Societies that have not been able to use the existing emblems to become full members of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement, enabling the Movement to fulfil its fundamental principle of universality.

The ICRC and the International Federation will continue to use their existing emblems. But in exceptional circumstances, they, and national Red Cross and Red Crescent societies, will be able to use the additional emblem to facilitate their work.


The ICRC and the Federation are profoundly grateful to the Swiss government for its efforts to bring the emblem question to a conclusion.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 12:58:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By deimos:
A "protective emblem" for the universe!

Get your red crystal now!

Call 1-800-BS-NOW and order this special gem crafted from the most holy places in Castle Grayskull!



JFC!!!!





If thrown in with my laundry detergent, will it help get the stains out? Or if rubbed in my arm pits, make me able to sneak up on 'em bucks?
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 1:13:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
I am all out of caring if Moslems get offended. They offend ME.




Originally Posted By Hectic:
unbelievable!

I request a [PissOnMuslims] gif



Just so ya know - Muslims did not pressure the IRC for this change.
The change came from European Aetheists.
My .02 cents.



Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

I still want a [PissOnMuslims] gif though
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 1:48:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
So the Red Crescent is gonna change too? NO OF COURSE NOT



Hey retard. Yes it's going to change. They are getting rid of the Red Cross and Red Crescent in favor of the Red Crystal, whatever that is. Don't be a moron.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 1:59:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2005 2:00:05 PM EDT by phatmax]
How about a big..... Red......


Link Posted: 9/27/2005 2:17:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dolomite:
Let's just try (for once) and not allow random internet rage to sully the American Red Cross (which has nothing at all to so with this).



Hey, when did you get back?
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 2:28:18 PM EDT


Red diamonds offend me. Anyone think they'll change for me?
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 2:37:10 PM EDT
Red Meatball ???

Link Posted: 9/27/2005 2:42:41 PM EDT
No blood No money from me, ever again
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 3:09:30 PM EDT
The Red Cross, Yep same Red Cross who charged my dad and all other GI's for donuts and a coffee in Germany, Belgium, and Luxemburg during the winter of 1944. (So as not to offend the British that time) Ask any WW2 vet what he thinks of the Red Cross then ask what he thinks of the Salvation Army. You might be surprised.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 3:14:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By coaldigger55:
The Red Cross, Yep same Red Cross who charged my dad and all other GI's for donuts and a coffee in Germany, Belgium, and Luxemburg during the winter of 1944. (So as not to offend the British that time) Ask any WW2 vet what he thinks of the Red Cross then ask what he thinks of the Salvation Army. You might be surprised.



My grand dad was in Korea with the Marines.
He told me how they were charging money for cigarettes that were stamped "Donated by Phillip Morris"
He never forgave them.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 3:21:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/27/2005 3:22:45 PM EDT by Colt_SBR]

Originally Posted By coaldigger55:
The Red Cross, Yep same Red Cross who charged my dad and all other GI's for donuts and a coffee in Germany, Belgium, and Luxemburg during the winter of 1944. (So as not to offend the British that time) Ask any WW2 vet what he thinks of the Red Cross then ask what he thinks of the Salvation Army. You might be surprised.



I've heard from more than one vet, the Red Cross would hand out coffee and donuts when the cameras were on. When the cameras were turned off you either pay for them or gave them back.

Red Cross
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 3:22:07 PM EDT
Red Cross officially changes emblem; old one too offensive to Muslims

The article doesn't say it was too offensive for Muslims. It mainly talks about Israel.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 3:30:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TacticalPenguin:
No blood No money from me, ever again



You're not reading.

The American Red Cross is NOT changing it's symbol or name. The cross isn't going away.

As of now, the International Committee for the Red Cross is merely ADDING the third symbol as a recognized symbol for aid workers.

As of now, in muslim countries, the red crescent is already used, and has been for a long time.

Other countries and religious groups wanted their own cutsey damn symbols. The ICRC said no, and gave them the diamond.

The diamond won't even be used much outside of war zones. It's a symbol like the others denoting neutral aid personnel protected under the Geneva Convention.

What about this offends you guys?
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