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Link Posted: 9/24/2023 10:26:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fox2008:

Had a guy show up to a basic pistol class with a setup like this.

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Link Posted: 9/24/2023 10:27:34 AM EDT
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Modern Samurai Project
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Can learn from legit good shooters...
Or, go learn from some dude larping as a samurai...
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 10:41:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fox2008:

Had a guy show up to a basic pistol class with a setup like this.

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Link Posted: 9/24/2023 10:43:49 AM EDT
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I learned this past Thursday that if you run around in pouring rain and the option basically fills up with water, that is not good.

I will be doing closed emitter or irons going forward for anything in my battle belt.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 12:39:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Logcutter:
I learned this past Thursday that if you run around in pouring rain and the option basically fills up with water, that is not good.

I will be doing closed emitter or irons going forward for anything in my battle belt.
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You’re going to make Whiskers post a video bro.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 1:14:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TrackWorker:
Originally Posted By fox2008:

Had a guy show up to a basic pistol class with a setup like this.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/397309/IMG_2324-2964517.jpg


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/285545/IMG_1799_jpeg-2964588.JPG

We made him take off and use a standard holster, since he was behind the back flagging the line every time he tried to holster the gun.  He claimed he used it to CCW daily….always wondered what his username was here.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 1:17:12 PM EDT
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You’re going to make Whiskers post a video bro.
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You shook the water off!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 1:18:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Logcutter:
I learned this past Thursday that if you run around in pouring rain and the option basically fills up with water, that is not good.

I will be doing closed emitter or irons going forward for anything in my battle belt.
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Gun in a holster facing down collects water, when you bring the gun up to target does the water defy gravity and still stay fully pooled on the glass?
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 3:58:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sierra-def:


Gun in a holster facing down collects water, when you bring the gun up to target does the water defy gravity and still stay fully pooled on the glass?
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Originally Posted By sierra-def:
Originally Posted By Logcutter:
I learned this past Thursday that if you run around in pouring rain and the option basically fills up with water, that is not good.

I will be doing closed emitter or irons going forward for anything in my battle belt.


Gun in a holster facing down collects water, when you bring the gun up to target does the water defy gravity and still stay fully pooled on the glass?


If there’s one thing that this thread has taught me, it’s that closed emitter people are drama queens
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:07:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sparky-kb:
Anyone got a good training technique for dialing in the presentation?

I'm new to pistol dots and have been working on presentation for a couple of weeks.  I'm to the point that 95% of the time the dot is in the window and on target when I draw.  The other 5% is what keeps me from carrying it yet.

I have to make a conscious effort to do everything right.  Does it ever become completely natural feeling?  With irons I draw and it's just on target.  I'm assuming that's because the eyes see the irons as they are coming into view and are aligned without thought as they move to the target.

It aso seems that I need to put at least 5 or 10 reps in at the start of the day because my first few are usually off.  Most of the time the dot is slightly out of the window to the 12 o'clock if it's "missing" unless my grip is jacked up.

Just keep doing what I'm doing or does anyone have some drills/reading/videos that would help me out?
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Have you seen Ben's video yet?  He's dead on about the need to develop an index instead of relying on a technique.

Link Posted: 9/24/2023 4:11:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sierra-def:


Gun in a holster facing down collects water, when you bring the gun up to target does the water defy gravity and still stay fully pooled on the glass?
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Originally Posted By sierra-def:
Originally Posted By Logcutter:
I learned this past Thursday that if you run around in pouring rain and the option basically fills up with water, that is not good.

I will be doing closed emitter or irons going forward for anything in my battle belt.


Gun in a holster facing down collects water, when you bring the gun up to target does the water defy gravity and still stay fully pooled on the glass?


In a 2 gun match in the rain on one stage I got water on the emitter saw some red but not a usable dot. First shot shook the water off and I saw the dot for a secon or two, then the water covered the emitter again. Next shot cleared it and all was good.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 5:18:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lungbuster:



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How has the Steiner held up so far?
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Took mine out to the range again today and ran some drills. I’m shooting a steel challenge match with it on Sunday so I did a lot of draw and shoot on multiple steel targets with a timer as well as some transition drills with my carbine on cardboard.

At the end of the session I walked back to the bench and used the bench to rest the pistol and at a measured 43 yards proceeded to put three shots in the head of a USPSA target. There is no way I could do that with irons.

Just to review my previous post. GLOCK 19.4 with a Wager Machine Acro cut with forward set rear sight running a Steiner MPS. Stock trigger and barrel.

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@treasurediver

How has the Steiner held up so far?

I like it a lot. It does eat batteries more than I’d like. I’m changing out the batteries about every 6 months or so. It’s still extremely clear and works very well under NODs. I really like how low it sits. I shot my first IDPA match with it today and came in 4th overall and won a stage. The MPS makes accuracy easy and I don’t see a drop in my speed. The only thing, I wish I would have waited for the FDE one they just released.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 6:13:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Logcutter:
I learned this past Thursday that if you run around in pouring rain and the option basically fills up with water, that is not good.

I will be doing closed emitter or irons going forward for anything in my battle belt.
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Link Posted: 9/24/2023 6:17:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fox2008:

Had a guy show up to a basic pistol class with a setup like this.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/397309/IMG_2324-2964517.jpg
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek:
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Originally Posted By BMSMB:
I like to carry at the 9 o'clock..  but with a right handed holster.

Cross draw is the way.

Dual-wielding 1911s in a shoulder holster is Tier 1


Dual-wielding small of back is the pinnacle of spitting distance fighting.

https://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/2/24/FO-Gold1911s-1.jpg/600px-FO-Gold1911s-1.jpg

Had a guy show up to a basic pistol class with a setup like this.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/397309/IMG_2324-2964517.jpg



Link Posted: 9/24/2023 6:37:07 PM EDT
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If there’s one thing that this thread has taught me, it’s that closed emitter people are drama queens
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Originally Posted By sierra-def:
Originally Posted By Logcutter:
I learned this past Thursday that if you run around in pouring rain and the option basically fills up with water, that is not good.

I will be doing closed emitter or irons going forward for anything in my battle belt.


Gun in a holster facing down collects water, when you bring the gun up to target does the water defy gravity and still stay fully pooled on the glass?


If there’s one thing that this thread has taught me, it’s that closed emitter people are drama queens


There is that.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 6:38:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bashby:


In a 2 gun match in the rain on one stage I got water on the emitter saw some red but not a usable dot. First shot shook the water off and I saw the dot for a secon or two, then the water covered the emitter again. Next shot cleared it and all was good.
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Originally Posted By sierra-def:
Originally Posted By Logcutter:
I learned this past Thursday that if you run around in pouring rain and the option basically fills up with water, that is not good.

I will be doing closed emitter or irons going forward for anything in my battle belt.


Gun in a holster facing down collects water, when you bring the gun up to target does the water defy gravity and still stay fully pooled on the glass?


In a 2 gun match in the rain on one stage I got water on the emitter saw some red but not a usable dot. First shot shook the water off and I saw the dot for a secon or two, then the water covered the emitter again. Next shot cleared it and all was good.


And those first two shots hit the target?
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 6:40:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Switchback_Arms:


Modern Samurai Project
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Not just no, fuck no.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 7:18:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sierra-def:


And those first two shots hit the target?
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I don’t remember if they did or not.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 7:21:40 PM EDT
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I don’t remember if they did or not.
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Originally Posted By sierra-def:


And those first two shots hit the target?


I don’t remember if they did or not.


Something you can try to simulate having no dot/glass damaged and showing no dot by putting a piece of masking tap over the emitter and then see if you can hit the target. As long as your fundamentals are good you should be able to hit it.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 8:16:36 PM EDT
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FDE Steiner MPS are in stock and on sale at PA, add to cart for sale price. Best price I've seen on them.
https://www.primaryarms.com/steiner-mps-3.3-moa-micro-pistol-red-dot-sight-fde?quantity=1&custcol_pco=Orphan
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 8:20:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By treasurediver:

I like it a lot. It does eat batteries more than I’d like. I’m changing out the batteries about every 6 months or so. It’s still extremely clear and works very well under NODs. I really like how low it sits. I shot my first IDPA match with it today and came in 4th overall and won a stage. The MPS makes accuracy easy and I don’t see a drop in my speed. The only thing, I wish I would have waited for the FDE one they just released.
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Thank you.
Link Posted: 9/24/2023 8:20:47 PM EDT
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Cracks me up every time.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 4:22:41 AM EDT
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25 yards off hand

Volquartsen Mini Mamba x Dead Air Mask ??



Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:14:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By doyouquaxu:
FDE Steiner MPS are in stock and on sale at PA, add to cart for sale price. Best price I've seen on them.
https://www.primaryarms.com/steiner-mps-3.3-moa-micro-pistol-red-dot-sight-fde?quantity=1&custcol_pco=Orphan
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That’s a good deal. I got mine for $365 but being a LARPer I would have paid extra for FDE.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 8:20:13 AM EDT
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That's a good deal. I got mine for $365 but being a LARPer I would have paid extra for FDE.
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Originally Posted By treasurediver:
Originally Posted By doyouquaxu:
FDE Steiner MPS are in stock and on sale at PA, add to cart for sale price. Best price I've seen on them.
https://www.primaryarms.com/steiner-mps-3.3-moa-micro-pistol-red-dot-sight-fde?quantity=1&;custcol_pco=Orphan


That's a good deal. I got mine for $365 but being a LARPer I would have paid extra for FDE.
It says:  "Multiple Mounting Options".  Does anyone know what it fits?  Does it meet some sort of mounting standard?  My biggest frustration with red dots.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 8:36:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PN5X5:


Have you seen Ben's video yet?  He's dead on about the need to develop an index instead of relying on a technique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-UTg_cB9qA
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Yeah, I ran across it and watched it.  I'm having moments where it clicks and feels completely smooth and natural.  Draw and it goes where I'm looking.  Still not confident enough with it to carry but getting there.

I can definitely see why some people give up on red dots if they aren't willing to put in the time.  I can also see the benefits and they're worth it to me.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 9:32:36 AM EDT
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It says:  "Multiple Mounting Options".  Does anyone know what it fits?  Does it meet some sort of mounting standard?  My biggest frustration with red dots.
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Originally Posted By Merlin:
Originally Posted By treasurediver:
Originally Posted By doyouquaxu:
FDE Steiner MPS are in stock and on sale at PA, add to cart for sale price. Best price I've seen on them.
https://www.primaryarms.com/steiner-mps-3.3-moa-micro-pistol-red-dot-sight-fde?quantity=1&custcol_pco=Orphan


That's a good deal. I got mine for $365 but being a LARPer I would have paid extra for FDE.
It says:  "Multiple Mounting Options".  Does anyone know what it fits?  Does it meet some sort of mounting standard?  My biggest frustration with red dots.

It’s basically an Aimpoint ACRO cut which is like a mini pic rail but not in any standard 1913 Picatinny dimensions as far as I can tell. The MPS is slightly shorter in length than an ACRO. If you get a slide cut for it or need a plate, the ACRO is the way you want to go. Some machine shops mill an MPS specific cut and it generally doesn’t fit the ACRO by about 1mm.  An MPS on an ACRO cut leaves about a 1mm gap at the front. It’s not a function problem, just aesthetic. If you zoom in you can see the gap at the front of the optic. Attachment Attached File


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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:59:28 AM EDT
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Steiner- Mines still going strong been very happy with it. I’ve not lost a battery yet maybe I got a great batch of Duracells lol. Only thing I need to do is figure out lower sights the trijicon suppressor height are taller then necessary with the MPS and FCD plate. Had the MPS off recently for one month while testing out the 509T. Glad to have it back on.

I believe Closed emitters bring some benefits to the table however I would without hesitation be comfortable with open I’d simply clean it a bit more often.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:14:21 AM EDT
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After yesterday’s match I’m just over 17,500 rounds on my SRO since November of ‘22… Should die any minute.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:21:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By treasurediver:

It's basically an Aimpoint ACRO cut which is like a mini pic rail but not in any standard 1913 Picatinny dimensions as far as I can tell. The MPS is slightly shorter in length than an ACRO. If you get a slide cut for it or need a plate, the ACRO is the way you want to go. Some machine shops mill an MPS specific cut and it generally doesn't fit the ACRO by about 1mm.  An MPS on an ACRO cut leaves about a 1mm gap at the front. It's not a function problem, just aesthetic. If you zoom in you can see the gap at the front of the optic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256972/9CF3FFA6-87BB-42DA-8A95-1E3AE2D64C87_jpe-2965677.JPG

Edited to add a pic of the cut.

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Originally Posted By treasurediver:
Originally Posted By Merlin:
Originally Posted By treasurediver:
Originally Posted By doyouquaxu:
FDE Steiner MPS are in stock and on sale at PA, add to cart for sale price. Best price I've seen on them.
https://www.primaryarms.com/steiner-mps-3.3-moa-micro-pistol-red-dot-sight-fde?quantity=1&;custcol_pco=Orphan


That's a good deal. I got mine for $365 but being a LARPer I would have paid extra for FDE.
It says:  "Multiple Mounting Options".  Does anyone know what it fits?  Does it meet some sort of mounting standard?  My biggest frustration with red dots.

It's basically an Aimpoint ACRO cut which is like a mini pic rail but not in any standard 1913 Picatinny dimensions as far as I can tell. The MPS is slightly shorter in length than an ACRO. If you get a slide cut for it or need a plate, the ACRO is the way you want to go. Some machine shops mill an MPS specific cut and it generally doesn't fit the ACRO by about 1mm.  An MPS on an ACRO cut leaves about a 1mm gap at the front. It's not a function problem, just aesthetic. If you zoom in you can see the gap at the front of the optic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256972/9CF3FFA6-87BB-42DA-8A95-1E3AE2D64C87_jpe-2965677.JPG

Edited to add a pic of the cut.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/256972/3DE96E6D-F43F-42D7-BD63-50D50EA5C56F_jpe-2965678.JPG
It will be for my commercial M18, which is already optic-ready.  Stock pic:




According to Sig, the Romeo1 Pro and Delta Point Pro fit it.  I*assume* the Sig M17 (optic sight) will also fit; but at +$850, that isn't happening.

I don't know what the M17/M18 pistol optic mounting standard is other than R1P or DPP.  I know there is at least four of them.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:31:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sparky-kb:


Yeah, I ran across it and watched it.  I'm having moments where it clicks and feels completely smooth and natural.  Draw and it goes where I'm looking.  Still not confident enough with it to carry but getting there.

I can definitely see why some people give up on red dots if they aren't willing to put in the time.  I can also see the benefits and they're worth it to me.
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Pay particular attention to one thing that Ben mentioned about shooters not grabbing and gripping the gun the same way every time. You can work all of this out during dry fire and I've found that it works itself out within the first month or so.  

I've seen the same issues with guys moving to LPVOs from red dots where they don't mount and grip the gun the same way every time so they wonder why they see scope shadow sometimes.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:37:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Logcutter:
I learned this past Thursday that if you run around in pouring rain and the option basically fills up with water, that is not good.

I will be doing closed emitter or irons going forward for anything in my battle belt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbkkH7WcWfc


I still cant help but laugh everytime i see this.

Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:54:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Merlin:
It will be for my commercial M18, which is already optic-ready.  Stock pic:

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.24b4c39711a01053af97c06bbabf83b9?rik=qXmm%2fxfHdSbxsQ&pid=ImgRaw&r=0


According to Sig, the Romeo1 Pro and Delta Point Pro fit it.  I*assume* the Sig M17 (optic sight) will also fit; but at +$850, that isn't happening.

I don't know what the M17/M18 pistol optic mounting standard is other than R1P or DPP.  I know there is at least four of them.
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@Merlin

Look at Forward Control Designs
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 12:09:42 PM EDT
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6 inch group at 50Y freehand, stock barrel (147 gr fed)

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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 12:48:07 PM EDT
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@Merlin

Look at Forward Control Designs
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Originally Posted By Merlin:
It will be for my commercial M18, which is already optic-ready.  Stock pic:

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.24b4c39711a01053af97c06bbabf83b9?rik=qXmm%2fxfHdSbxsQ&pid=ImgRaw&r=0


According to Sig, the Romeo1 Pro and Delta Point Pro fit it.  I*assume* the Sig M17 (optic sight) will also fit; but at +$850, that isn't happening.

I don't know what the M17/M18 pistol optic mounting standard is other than R1P or DPP.  I know there is at least four of them.


@Merlin

Look at Forward Control Designs
Will do!  Thanks!

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Not too shabby!
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Originally Posted By Merlin:
It will be for my commercial M18, which is already optic-ready.  Stock pic:

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.24b4c39711a01053af97c06bbabf83b9?rik=qXmm%2fxfHdSbxsQ&pid=ImgRaw&r=0


According to Sig, the Romeo1 Pro and Delta Point Pro fit it.  I*assume* the Sig M17 (optic sight) will also fit; but at +$850, that isn't happening.

I don't know what the M17/M18 pistol optic mounting standard is other than R1P or DPP.  I know there is at least four of them.
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The commercial M18 and M17 will direct mount the Romeo1 Pro and Delta Point. You will need an adapter for RMRs.

The Romeo M17 Optic is designed for the military optics cut and WILL NOT work with commercial models.
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:

The commercial M18 and M17 will direct mount the Romeo1 Pro and Delta Point. You will need an adapter for RMRs.

The Romeo M17 Optic is designed for the military optics cut and WILL NOT work with commercial models.
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Originally Posted By Merlin:
It will be for my commercial M18, which is already optic-ready.  Stock pic:

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.24b4c39711a01053af97c06bbabf83b9?rik=qXmm%2fxfHdSbxsQ&pid=ImgRaw&r=0


According to Sig, the Romeo1 Pro and Delta Point Pro fit it.  I*assume* the Sig M17 (optic sight) will also fit; but at +$850, that isn't happening.

I don't know what the M17/M18 pistol optic mounting standard is other than R1P or DPP.  I know there is at least four of them.

The commercial M18 and M17 will direct mount the Romeo1 Pro and Delta Point. You will need an adapter for RMRs.

The Romeo M17 Optic is designed for the military optics cut and WILL NOT work with commercial models.
I'm not interested in adapters.  Good to know about the M17 optic; makes me feel less of a cheapskate.    
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I'm not interested in adapters.  Good to know about the M17 optic; makes me feel less of a cheapskate.    
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Then your only option is the Romeo1 Pro with the shield and the Deltapoint Pro.

I went DPP but make sure you get a second gen. The first gen had garbage electronics.
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Originally Posted By Merlin:
It says:  "Multiple Mounting Options".  Does anyone know what it fits?  Does it meet some sort of mounting standard?  My biggest frustration with red dots.
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The footprint is the "same" as an Aimpoint Acro, however the clamp on the side to tighten it to the slide or optic plate are in different locations between the Acro and MPS. I bought an optic plate for an Acro and it would not allow my MPS to properly attach. I bought an MPS specific optic plate which (oddly) allows both the MPS and the Acro to attach.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 8:40:50 PM EDT
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Wrapping up my first season in CO (after years of limited).

Love my SRO on top of a Cajun shadow 2!


Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:24:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:

Then your only option is the Romeo1 Pro with the shield and the Deltapoint Pro.

I went DPP but make sure you get a second gen. The first gen had garbage electronics.
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:
Originally Posted By Merlin:
I'm not interested in adapters.  Good to know about the M17 optic; makes me feel less of a cheapskate.    

Then your only option is the Romeo1 Pro with the shield and the Deltapoint Pro.

I went DPP but make sure you get a second gen. The first gen had garbage electronics.
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Well that makes the decision pretty simple!

Thanks for the info, I appreciate it!

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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:29:05 PM EDT
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DPP is a good optic.

I somewhat concur on the electonics issues, I had a first gen and occasionally it would just shut off on me.  

Other than that it did run reliably for about 11K rounds on a slide ride 9mm.  I ended up selling it for cheap just because I figured I should get rid of it before it died permanently.

No experience with gen 2 but I know a few guys running it that like it just fine and no problems.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:30:29 PM EDT
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DPP glass is so clear. It's right up there with the Steiner MPS.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 10:32:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Logcutter:
I learned this past Thursday that if you run around in pouring rain and the option basically fills up with water, that is not good.

I will be doing closed emitter or irons going forward for anything in my battle belt.
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I’ve never experienced this with my SCS before.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 11:16:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:

Then your only option is the Romeo1 Pro with the shield and the Deltapoint Pro.

I went DPP but make sure you get a second gen. The first gen had garbage electronics.
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:
Originally Posted By Merlin:
I'm not interested in adapters.  Good to know about the M17 optic; makes me feel less of a cheapskate.    

Then your only option is the Romeo1 Pro with the shield and the Deltapoint Pro.

I went DPP but make sure you get a second gen. The first gen had garbage electronics.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/523928/M18_jpg-2966333.JPG
According to Sig, the Romeo2 and RomeoX will also fit the R1P and DPP interface:  

https://www.sigsauer.com/romeo-x.html

https://www.sigsauer.com/romeo2-1x30-mm.html

Doesn't help a bunch since they're a bit more expensive.  

Link Posted: 9/26/2023 12:20:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick:
DPP is a good optic.

I somewhat concur on the electonics issues, I had a first gen and occasionally it would just shut off on me.  

Other than that it did run reliably for about 11K rounds on a slide ride 9mm.  I ended up selling it for cheap just because I figured I should get rid of it before it died permanently.

No experience with gen 2 but I know a few guys running it that like it just fine and no problems.
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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick:
DPP is a good optic.

I somewhat concur on the electonics issues, I had a first gen and occasionally it would just shut off on me.  

Other than that it did run reliably for about 11K rounds on a slide ride 9mm.  I ended up selling it for cheap just because I figured I should get rid of it before it died permanently.

No experience with gen 2 but I know a few guys running it that like it just fine and no problems.

I've got 6k on my second gen and it's been perfect. Also, it's my EDC.

Originally Posted By Merlin:
According to Sig, the Romeo2 and RomeoX will also fit the R1P and DPP interface:  

https://www.sigsauer.com/romeo-x.html

https://www.sigsauer.com/romeo2-1x30-mm.html

Doesn't help a bunch since they're a bit more expensive.  


Neat.  
Link Posted: 9/26/2023 12:42:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sparky-kb:
Anyone got a good training technique for dialing in the presentation?

I'm new to pistol dots and have been working on presentation for a couple of weeks.  I'm to the point that 95% of the time the dot is in the window and on target when I draw.  The other 5% is what keeps me from carrying it yet.

I have to make a conscious effort to do everything right.  Does it ever become completely natural feeling?  With irons I draw and it's just on target.  I'm assuming that's because the eyes see the irons as they are coming into view and are aligned without thought as they move to the target.

It aso seems that I need to put at least 5 or 10 reps in at the start of the day because my first few are usually off.  Most of the time the dot is slightly out of the window to the 12 o'clock if it's "missing" unless my grip is jacked up.

Just keep doing what I'm doing or does anyone have some drills/reading/videos that would help me out?
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Once I started using a very thumbs high/thumbs forward grip, I realized that if I just concentrated on pointing my thumbs directly at the target, the dot would be there.

Previously I used the cowitness irons as a crutch (once you're about 65% lined up the dot is there and you can forget the irons).

The thumbs thing is faster. Get your grip right/consistent.
Link Posted: 9/26/2023 12:51:41 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rudukai13:


If there’s one thing that this thread has taught me, it’s that closed emitter people are drama queens
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Originally Posted By sierra-def:
Originally Posted By Logcutter:
I learned this past Thursday that if you run around in pouring rain and the option basically fills up with water, that is not good.

I will be doing closed emitter or irons going forward for anything in my battle belt.


Gun in a holster facing down collects water, when you bring the gun up to target does the water defy gravity and still stay fully pooled on the glass?


If there’s one thing that this thread has taught me, it’s that closed emitter people are drama queens


I use RMRs on carry guns and a DPP on my match gun. Been dotting pistols since 2017. In that time I've had exactly one failure I think could have been avoided by using a closed emitter.

In Alaska, hiking in pretty heavy snowfall. RMR on a Glock 19 in an OWB holster. Window filled up with snow, which continuously melted and refroze because its next to my body heat. It turned the "bowl" of the optic into an ice brick. If I needed to use it I would have been point shooting over the top of the window since I couldn't see through the window at all.

I'm still using RMRs.
Link Posted: 9/26/2023 9:57:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:

I've got 6k on my second gen and it's been perfect. Also, it's my EDC.


Neat.  
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Originally Posted By 11boomboom:
Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick:
DPP is a good optic.

I somewhat concur on the electonics issues, I had a first gen and occasionally it would just shut off on me.  

Other than that it did run reliably for about 11K rounds on a slide ride 9mm.  I ended up selling it for cheap just because I figured I should get rid of it before it died permanently.

No experience with gen 2 but I know a few guys running it that like it just fine and no problems.

I've got 6k on my second gen and it's been perfect. Also, it's my EDC.

Originally Posted By Merlin:
According to Sig, the Romeo2 and RomeoX will also fit the R1P and DPP interface:  

https://www.sigsauer.com/romeo-x.html

https://www.sigsauer.com/romeo2-1x30-mm.html

Doesn't help a bunch since they're a bit more expensive.  


Neat.  
Put my Glock 23 up on a local board this morning.  As soon as it sells - which hopefully will be soon - I'll be ordering a R1P or DPP, haven't really decided yet.

I'm planning to buy the R1P direct from Sig, I don't see enough price difference to not.  Best place for the DPP?    Thanks!

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