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Posted: 3/10/2005 9:10:02 AM EST
Got shoot a bobcat weapons SBR MP5 clone the other day. I have heard good and bad things about them. We put 500rounds of wolf through it with one one FTE. THe thing ran perfect!
Might have to get me onw now. Good looking gun.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:11:03 AM EST
Wow that must have been a very speshul wepun.
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:11:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By oubeta:
Got shoot a bobcat weapons SBR MP5 clone the other day. I have heard good and bad things about them. We put 500rounds of wolf through it with one one FTE. THe thing ran perfect!
Might have to get me onw now. Good looking gun.




uh.....
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:12:35 AM EST
have you seen my baseball
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:12:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By oubeta:
Got shoot a bobcat weapons SBR MP5 clone the other day. I have heard good and bad things about them. We put 500rounds of wolf through it with one one FTE. THe thing ran perfect!
Might have to get me onw now. Good looking gun.




uh.....



[Nelson]Haaaa Haaaa[/Nelson]
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:15:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/10/2005 9:16:34 AM EST by KangarooAR-15A3]
and it just kept a runnin and a runnin... mama said they were my magic shoes

Seriously though... I have looked at those, also checking out the ones at vector arms.
www.vectorarms.com
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:17:39 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:18:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By KangarooAR-15A3:
and it just kept a runnin and a runnin... mama said they were my magic shoes

Seriously though... I have looked at those, also checking out the ones at vector arms.
www.vectorarms.com



I have heard bad things about the vector ones.
Don't knock the bobcats til you shoot one
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:19:49 AM EST
Oh I am not knockin either, haven't shot either one.
No one here I can find carries them, but we do have a funshow this weekend!
Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:24:13 AM EST
All hail the Toad, one works!!!!!!!

Link Posted: 3/10/2005 9:24:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Wraith:
All hail the Toad, one works!!!!!!!




Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:16:40 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 3:07:10 AM EST
this is intresting.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 3:24:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2005 4:16:59 AM EST by mjrowley]

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
The Bobcat Weapons rifles are not built by Special Weapons, this mis information has been passed around the boards for to long .Yes the original design was by the famous Toad but the rifles are now built and the company is owned by Andy Bonas .We have sold the Bobcat line since the company opened and 140 rifles later have had NO PROBLEMS AT ALL . Not one warranty problem on 140 rifles , please feel free to call or email if you have any questions and would like ot get real feedback on the rifles and not rehasshed gossip . Thank You Atlantic Firearms,llc



Then why are e they made in the same house as Special Weapons were?

@ 4613 E Ivy St, Mesa, AZ 85205.

Do you want me to drive by the House and take a pic?


BTW: I asked him if I could see of of his "weapons", before I bought one. He told me "Nope, you have to by one . Then you can hold it." Whats up with that?

I have not seen one for sale in any local gun shops here in Mesa.


This is "Special Weapons" address....
4613 E Ivy st

suite 102

Mesa, AZ 85205


So if they are not the same company then why do they have the same address?


ETA: I was wrong its not a house, its a Industrial park.

Link Posted: 3/13/2005 9:52:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By oubeta:

Originally Posted By KangarooAR-15A3:
and it just kept a runnin and a runnin... mama said they were my magic shoes

Seriously though... I have looked at those, also checking out the ones at vector arms.
www.vectorarms.com



I have heard bad things about the vector ones.
Don't knock the bobcats til you shoot one



I would be interested in hearing who sad bad about vecotors HK clones. This is hte forst thing I have heard bad about vector guns compared to the constant bad reports regarding BW/SW/TN..

OH and dont play the "until you have handle one" card as I have sold and fired both BW and SW guns and the vector IMHO is a better clone hands down. The last BW I seen was at the last funshow. It must have been and early one as the welds were sloppy and the finish was ....whats the word I am looking for....unconsistant.

The whole Toad pissing match is just that, a pissing match. But the claims that Bobcat, Spechel, and Top Notch are not related, is false. DO a little checking and you will see.

I will say that I have seen a couple BW guns that looked pretty good. But I would glady pay more elsewhere to not support a copmany/group of people that has such a bad reputation in regards to CS.
On that note, Vector has a VERY GOOD customer service dept that jumps to help, not get out of the way as some other companies do. My most recent Vector is and UZI which runs 100%, with near perfect fit and finish. I wont buy any other BW guns as IMHO, the ones I have shot did not impress me.
IMHO, go with the Vector. You will be taken care if ever you have any troubles.
Good luck!
CH
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 9:57:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
The Bobcat Weapons rifles are not built by Special Weapons, this mis information has been passed around the boards for to long .Yes the original design was by the famous Toad but the rifles are now built and the company is owned by Andy Bonas .We have sold the Bobcat line since the company opened and 140 rifles later have had NO PROBLEMS AT ALL . Not one warranty problem on 140 rifles , please feel free to call or email if you have any questions and would like ot get real feedback on the rifles and not rehasshed gossip . Thank You Atlantic Firearms,llc



Corporate Inquiry
File Number: -1073307-4
Corp. Name: BOBCAT WEAPONS INC.


Domestic Address PO BOX 210107
MESA, AZ 85277


Statutory Agent Information Agent Name: ANDREW C BONAS

Agent Mailing Address:
3064 E MALLORY ST
MESA, AZ 85013

Agent Physical Address:
4613 E. IVY ST.
SUITE #102
MESA, AZ 85205


Agent Status: APPOINTED 08/27/2003
Agent Last Updated: 06/04/2004


Officer and Director Information Name: ANDREW G BONAS
Title: PRESIDENT/CEO
Address: 3064 E. MALLORY ST.
MESA, AZ 85213
Date Assigned: 04/14/2003 Last Updated: 06/04/2004

Name: LOOISE D BONAS
Title: SECRETARY
Address: 3064 E. MALLORY ST.
MESA, AZ 85213
Date Assigned: 04/14/2003 Last Updated: 06/04/2004


Corporate Inquiry
File Number: -0968064-0
Corp. Name: SPECIAL WEAPONS, INC., A CLOSE CORPORATION


Domestic Address 4613 E IVY ST #102
MESA, AZ 85205



Statutory Agent Information Agent Name: TODD R BAILEY

Agent Mailing/Physical Address:
6926 E UPPER TRL CIR
MESA, AZ 85207

Agent Status: APPOINTED 05/10/2002
Agent Last Updated: 06/21/2002


Officer and Director Information Name: TODD BAILEY
Title: PRESIDENT/CEO
Address: 6926 E UPPER TRL CIR
MESA, AZ 85205
Date Assigned: 11/14/2000 Last Updated: 02/17/2005



Link Posted: 3/13/2005 10:07:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
The Bobcat Weapons rifles are not built by Special Weapons, this mis information has been passed around the boards for to long .Yes the original design was by the famous Toad but the rifles are now built and the company is owned by Andy Bonas .We have sold the Bobcat line since the company opened and 140 rifles later have had NO PROBLEMS AT ALL . Not one warranty problem on 140 rifles , please feel free to call or email if you have any questions and would like ot get real feedback on the rifles and not rehasshed gossip . Thank You Atlantic Firearms,llc



Corporate Inquiry
File Number: -1073307-4
Corp. Name: BOBCAT WEAPONS INC.


Domestic Address PO BOX 210107
MESA, AZ 85277


Statutory Agent Information Agent Name: ANDREW C BONAS

Agent Mailing Address:
3064 E MALLORY ST
MESA, AZ 85013

Agent Physical Address:
4613 E. IVY ST.
SUITE #102
MESA, AZ 85205


Agent Status: APPOINTED 08/27/2003
Agent Last Updated: 06/04/2004


Officer and Director Information Name: ANDREW G BONAS
Title: PRESIDENT/CEO
Address: 3064 E. MALLORY ST.
MESA, AZ 85213
Date Assigned: 04/14/2003 Last Updated: 06/04/2004

Name: LOOISE D BONAS
Title: SECRETARY
Address: 3064 E. MALLORY ST.
MESA, AZ 85213
Date Assigned: 04/14/2003 Last Updated: 06/04/2004


Corporate Inquiry
File Number: -0968064-0
Corp. Name: SPECIAL WEAPONS, INC., A CLOSE CORPORATION


Domestic Address 4613 E IVY ST #102
MESA, AZ 85205



Statutory Agent Information Agent Name: TODD R BAILEY

Agent Mailing/Physical Address:
6926 E UPPER TRL CIR
MESA, AZ 85207

Agent Status: APPOINTED 05/10/2002
Agent Last Updated: 06/21/2002


Officer and Director Information Name: TODD BAILEY
Title: PRESIDENT/CEO
Address: 6926 E UPPER TRL CIR
MESA, AZ 85205
Date Assigned: 11/14/2000 Last Updated: 02/17/2005






Link Posted: 3/13/2005 10:08:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2005 10:09:42 AM EST by innocent_bystander]
Info on the building that houses both Special Weapons and Bobcat Weapons.

Property Information View

Parcel #: 141-34-297 Subdivision Name: MESA COMMERCE CENTER LOT 1-89 TR A B
MCR #: 29221 Lot #: 14
Property Address: 4613 E IVY ST
MESA 85205
Property Description: MESA COMMERCE CENTER MCR 292-21
Section Township Range: 10 1N 6E Associated Parcel:


Owner Information View Tax Statement

Owner: YEE JANET CHUN/LAU JENNIE YEE TR
In Care Of:
Mailing Address: 640 PAIKAU
HONOLULU HI 96816 USA
Deed #: 010527382 Sales Price: n/a *
Deed Date: 6/15/2001 Sales Date: n/a *
* Only sales for the last three years are maintained.


Valuation Information View Comparables (COMPS)

Tax Year: 2006 2005 2004



Full Cash Value (FCV): $529,823 $463,703 $458,040
Limited Property Value (LPV): $481,845 $438,041 $398,219

Legal Class: 1 1 1
Assessment Ratio: 25% 25% 25%



Assessed FCV: $132,456 $115,926 $114,510
Assessed LPV: $120,461 $109,510 $99,555

Property Use Code: 3740 3740 3740
Tax Area Code: 041000 041000 041000



ATLANTIC-FIREARMS Industry Partner please stop spreading misinformation on this site.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 11:30:14 AM EST
O.K. help a dumba*s out, how the heck do you get all of that info????
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 11:32:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Combatvet:
O.K. help a dumba*s out, how the heck do you get all of that info????



He's Batman
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 12:15:41 PM EST
This is why you pay a lawyer $200 an hour.


Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By Combatvet:
O.K. help a dumba*s out, how the heck do you get all of that info????



He's Batman

Link Posted: 3/13/2005 12:56:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combatvet:
O.K. help a dumba*s out, how the heck do you get all of that info????



You can go online in Texas and look up property throught the web site of the county appraisal district and get the property info. You can then go to the web site of the State Comptroller or Secretary of State (for the state, not US) and get basic Corporate info on any registered corporation in the state. That's how you would do it in Texas and I assume the same thing can be done in AZ.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:46:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:51:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By oubeta:
Got shoot a bobcat weapons SBR MP5 clone the other day. I have heard good and bad things about them. We put 500rounds of wolf through it with one one FTE. THe thing ran perfect!
Might have to get me onw now. Good looking gun.




uh.....



I've had some FTE's with my actual HK 94.

It happens.

I've put..hm...say 1500 rounds through it. I'd have, on average, one FTE with every 360 rounds fired. I have 12 30 round curved mags for it and another 10 straight. I've had FTE's with both curved and straight mags.

Pretty much all FTE's happened on the next-to-last round on the mag, and it was always a random mag; sometimes 3rd, sometimes 9th, etc...when I take it out I usually load everything up and empty it at the range (it's a lot lighter carrying it back to the car that way )



Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:53:26 PM EST
Blaine unfortuately there is a lot of animosity toward Todd and anything he has touched. The funny thing is that most of these bashers have not even held a SW product but are merely barfing up internet hearsay. Todds personality definitely has contributed mightily to the stigmata that is carried by his products. If he had provided good CS and stood by his products he would most likely still would be the top HK clone producer. But his rants especially against ORF is entertaining to say the least.

I have a SW weapon. IGF tweeked and built it. Totally reliable and no failures of any kind.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 2:58:02 PM EST
Where is the evidence that Toad bought, or was buying, HK? Wait a minute, that never happened...but someone said it was...wait, that was Toad himself...nevermind...
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 3:02:54 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 5:35:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2005 5:38:09 PM EST by mjrowley]

Originally Posted By ARDOC:
Blaine unfortuately there is a lot of animosity toward Todd and anything he has touched. The funny thing is that most of these bashers have not even held a SW product but are merely barfing up internet hearsay. Todds personality definitely has contributed mightily to the stigmata that is carried by his products. If he had provided good CS and stood by his products he would most likely still would be the top HK clone producer. But his rants especially against ORF is entertaining to say the least.

I have a SW weapon. IGF tweeked and built it. Totally reliable and no failures of any kind.



Hey this is ARFCOM, this is what we do best!



EDIT for spelling.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 5:39:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
Ok, let's get a few things straight, Bobcat Weapons is not Special Weapons .Yes Special Weapons supplys the parts as they do with Vector Arms. We have no real incentive to make these post other than stating the truth about Bobcat & the product if they were not a good product we would not want to represent them. We have sold over 140 units and had no problems or complaints from our customers .Thus having this exposure and customer feedback allows us to judge the product & formulate the opinion we have . I must ask how all the Bobcat bashers came up with their evaluations ?
Below is a tid bit of info concerning Bobcat & Special Weapons relation ship etc.

>
> Thank you for your interest in Bobcat Weapons products. I hope the
> following information answers your question to your satisfaction. If you
> would like further clarification, I will be glad to discuss it with you at
> your convenience.
>
> Todd Bailey, the founder of Special Weapons Inc., is a long time business
> acquaintance of mine. I actually hired him in at TRW to develop new
airbag
> technology in the mid to late 1990's. So we kept in touch on and off over
> the years. I moved from TRW, in Mesa Arizona, to California to run a
small
> aerospace company in early 1999. In early 2003, I decided it was time to
> begin my own venture. I contacted several friends that I had developed
over
> time to look for opportunities. When I called Todd, it just so happened
> that he had decided to shut down the civilian sales side of his firearms
> business because he wanted to focus his resources on the law enforcement,
> military and foreign government sales. After several conversations, we
> struck a deal. I would develop an independent company with its own
identity
> to produce and distribute firearms for the civilian market. My company
> would have exclusive access to all of the Special Weapons Inc. owned
> supplier tooling and parts in exchange for a license fee and the
commitment
> to purchase parts through Special Weapons Inc. Thus Bobcat Weapons was
> founded in April 2003 as an Arizona Corporation.
>
>
>
> Therefore, Bobcat Weapons, Inc. is not owned in part or in whole by Todd
> Bailey, Wendy Bailey or any relation thereof. In addition, Bobcat
Weapons,
> Inc. is not owned in part or in whole by any other company. You can
review
> the corporate filings for Bobcat Weapons, Inc. at
> http://www.cc.state.az.us/corp/annrpts/index.htm. Click on "Annual
Reports"
> in the left side margin and then search for Bobcat Weapons. There are a
few
> other reports on the site if you search around a bit.
>
>
>
>
>
> You will notice that Bobcat Weapons and Special Weapons share the same
> physical address. Bobcat Weapons occupies the back half of the same
> building as Special Weapons. It made sense for Bobcat Weapons to be
> co-located with Special Weapons until we learned the intricacies of
> manufacturing the rifle. Bobcat Weapons is re-locating to a new facility
as
> of February 2005.
>
>
>
> Bobcat Weapons Inc. is an independent manufacturer of firearms. In fact
we
> are in discussions to produce a completely different firearm than an HK
> clone. In addition, we have considered developing our own firearm or
clone.
> Both of these projects are completely independent of Special Weapons and
> Todd Bailey.
>
>
>
> One final comment. If it were not for Special Weapons and Todd Bailey, I
> would not have launched Bobcat Weapons. Todd Bailey has been very
> successful with the HK clones and other firearms he has developed. No
> matter what your relationship with or opinion of Special Weapons or Todd
> Bailey you have to give him credit for his accomplishments. I believe the
> civilian market owes Todd Bailey and other entrepreneurs alike, a debt of
> gratitude for making available several unique and interesting firearms
that
> would not otherwise be available to the civilian market.
>
>
>
> You are more than welcome to publish this information. It is basically
the
> same Information that I offer when asked over the telephone.
>
>
> If I may be of further assistance, you may reach me at the numbers listed
> below.
>
> Best Regards,
> Andy Bonas
>
> Bobcat Weapons Inc.
> PO Box 21017
> Mesa, AZ 85277-1017
> phone: 480.832.0844
> fax: 206.350.5274
> mobile: 480.343.2285
> email: bonas@bobcatweapons.com
> web site: www.bobcatweapons.com
>







Wow. Just wow.


Do you want to buy a bridge?

Link Posted: 3/13/2005 5:43:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2005 5:44:51 PM EST by -Absolut-]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
Ok, let's get a few things straight, Bobcat Weapons is not Special Weapons .Yes Special Weapons supplys the parts as they do with Vector Arms. We have no real incentive to make these post other than stating the truth about Bobcat & the product if they were not a good product we would not want to represent them. We have sold over 140 units and had no problems or complaints from our customers .Thus having this exposure and customer feedback allows us to judge the product & formulate the opinion we have . I must ask how all the Bobcat bashers came up with their evaluations ?
Below is a tid bit of info concerning Bobcat & Special Weapons relation ship etc.

>
> Thank you for your interest in Bobcat Weapons products. I hope the
> following information answers your question to your satisfaction. If you
> would like further clarification, I will be glad to discuss it with you at
> your convenience.
>
> Todd Bailey, the founder of Special Weapons Inc., is a long time business
> acquaintance of mine. I actually hired him in at TRW to develop new
airbag
> technology in the mid to late 1990's. So we kept in touch on and off over
> the years. I moved from TRW, in Mesa Arizona, to California to run a
small
> aerospace company in early 1999. In early 2003, I decided it was time to
> begin my own venture. I contacted several friends that I had developed
over
> time to look for opportunities. When I called Todd, it just so happened
> that he had decided to shut down the civilian sales side of his firearms
> business because he wanted to focus his resources on the law enforcement,
> military and foreign government sales. After several conversations, we
> struck a deal. I would develop an independent company with its own
identity
> to produce and distribute firearms for the civilian market. My company
> would have exclusive access to all of the Special Weapons Inc. owned
> supplier tooling and parts in exchange for a license fee and the
commitment
> to purchase parts through Special Weapons Inc. Thus Bobcat Weapons was
> founded in April 2003 as an Arizona Corporation.
>
>
>
> Therefore, Bobcat Weapons, Inc. is not owned in part or in whole by Todd
> Bailey, Wendy Bailey or any relation thereof. In addition, Bobcat
Weapons,
> Inc. is not owned in part or in whole by any other company. You can
review
> the corporate filings for Bobcat Weapons, Inc. at
> http://www.cc.state.az.us/corp/annrpts/index.htm. Click on "Annual
Reports"
> in the left side margin and then search for Bobcat Weapons. There are a
few
> other reports on the site if you search around a bit.
>
>
>
>
>
> You will notice that Bobcat Weapons and Special Weapons share the same
> physical address. Bobcat Weapons occupies the back half of the same
> building as Special Weapons. It made sense for Bobcat Weapons to be
> co-located with Special Weapons until we learned the intricacies of
> manufacturing the rifle. Bobcat Weapons is re-locating to a new facility
as
> of February 2005.
>
>
>
> Bobcat Weapons Inc. is an independent manufacturer of firearms. In fact
we
> are in discussions to produce a completely different firearm than an HK
> clone. In addition, we have considered developing our own firearm or
clone.
> Both of these projects are completely independent of Special Weapons and
> Todd Bailey.
>
>
>
> One final comment. If it were not for Special Weapons and Todd Bailey, I
> would not have launched Bobcat Weapons. Todd Bailey has been very
> successful with the HK clones and other firearms he has developed. No
> matter what your relationship with or opinion of Special Weapons or Todd
> Bailey you have to give him credit for his accomplishments. I believe the
> civilian market owes Todd Bailey and other entrepreneurs alike, a debt of
> gratitude for making available several unique and interesting firearms
that
> would not otherwise be available to the civilian market.
>
>
>
> You are more than welcome to publish this information. It is basically
the
> same Information that I offer when asked over the telephone.
>
>
> If I may be of further assistance, you may reach me at the numbers listed
> below.
>
> Best Regards,
> Andy Bonas
>
> Bobcat Weapons Inc.
> PO Box 21017
> Mesa, AZ 85277-1017
> phone: 480.832.0844
> fax: 206.350.5274
> mobile: 480.343.2285
> email: bonas@bobcatweapons.com
> web site: www.bobcatweapons.com
>







Wow. Just wow.


Do you want to buy a bridge?


No kidding! We "work out of the same building, but are seperate"

ETA: This is the 1st good review I have heard of a Bobcat Weapon....and it still had a problem.
Link Posted: 3/13/2005 5:47:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:


...








Wow. Just wow.


Do you want to buy a bridge?


No kidding! We "work out of the same building, but are seperate"




Yeah - it's just complete coincidence that the new (and completely separate) company sells EXACTLY the same product as the old company with a shitty reputation.

Really. Trust us. Todd would NEVER lie to anyone.

Link Posted: 3/14/2005 3:30:02 AM EST
I was expecting to see the Ivy street address here too.



Taxpayer Services Division
Entity Name: ATLANTIC FIREARMS, LLC
Dept. ID #: W06952444

Principal Office (Current):
10337 BUNTING ROAD
BISHOPVILLE, MD 21813

Resident Agent (Current): BLAINE ALLEN BUNTING
10337 BUNTING ROAD
BISHOPVILLE, MD 21813
Status: ACTIVE
Good Standing: Yes
Business Code: Other
Date of Formation or Registration: 08/12/2002
State of Formation: MD
Stock/Nonstock: N/A
Close/Not Close: Unknown




Link Posted: 3/14/2005 3:39:14 AM EST
Does anyone work at TRW who can confirm the asserted employment of both Toad and Bonas?
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 3:43:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS:
No matter what your relationship with or opinion of Special Weapons or Todd
Bailey you have to give him credit for his accomplishments. I believe the
civilian market owes Todd Bailey and other entrepreneurs alike, a debt of
gratitude for making available several unique and interesting firearms
that would not otherwise be available to the civilian market.



Bwaa ha ha!!! That's the funniest thing I've ever read on the interweb.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 3:45:04 AM EST

time to look for opportunities. When I called Todd, it just so happened
> that he had decided to shut down the civilian sales side of his firearms
> business because he wanted to focus his resources on the law enforcement,
> military and foreign government sales.
After several conversations, we
> struck a deal. I would develop an independent company with its own
identity




I have a REALLY hard time believe this clown does ANY military sales basesd on his poor people skills.

If the parts are made ny him, then the rifle is made by him.

And almost ALL clone rifles suck.

Sgatr15
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 3:49:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:

I've put..hm...say 1500 rounds through it. I'd have, on average, one FTE with every 360 rounds fired.




That is unacceptable for ANY rifle.

SGtar15
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 3:53:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 4:24:18 AM EST
I can't believe SteyrAUG hasn't weighed in here.


Anyway....I would have no hesitation dealing with Atlantic...but not for a toad gun.

I don't care what the company's current name is, the reputation precedes them.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 5:31:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/14/2005 6:48:56 AM EST by Cape_hunter]

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I can't believe SteyrAUG hasn't weighed in here.


Anyway....I would have no hesitation dealing with Atlantic...but not for a toad gun.

I don't care what the company's current name is, the reputation precedes them.


+1

Atlantic, may I suggest you not be so fast to defend the trio of Toad, as thus far your company has a good rep, and always on top of things. The damage done is more then you can undo at this point.

Just a suggestion!
CH
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 6:15:00 AM EST
I have heard of people having problems with special weapons, I have an SW-5 that runs great.

Had a lot of FTE's at breaking in the rilfle with the included straight mag. I have since bought 3 30-rounders, and have fired hundreds of rounds at a time with no failures.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 1:40:05 PM EST
That would be to funny!





Originally Posted By innocent_bystander:
I was expecting to see the Ivy street address here too.



Taxpayer Services Division
Entity Name: ATLANTIC FIREARMS, LLC
Dept. ID #: W06952444

Principal Office (Current):
10337 BUNTING ROAD
BISHOPVILLE, MD 21813

Resident Agent (Current): BLAINE ALLEN BUNTING
10337 BUNTING ROAD
BISHOPVILLE, MD 21813
Status: ACTIVE
Good Standing: Yes
Business Code: Other
Date of Formation or Registration: 08/12/2002
State of Formation: MD
Stock/Nonstock: N/A
Close/Not Close: Unknown





Link Posted: 3/14/2005 1:43:43 PM EST
Gator,

Where do you live?

I would like to shoot your SW-5.

As I am not allowed to see one before I buy it.




Originally Posted By Gator:
I have heard of people having problems with special weapons, I have an SW-5 that runs great.

Had a lot of FTE's at breaking in the rilfle with the included straight mag. I have since bought 3 30-rounders, and have fired hundreds of rounds at a time with no failures.

Link Posted: 3/14/2005 1:46:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Redcap:





Dude, that's just plain disturbing.....
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 2:16:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Anyway....I would have no hesitation dealing with Atlantic...but not for a toad gun.




I'd just like to add to that - I woudl ABSOLUTELY buy from Atlantic as well.


I may find it surprising that they would believe that story - but I have heard nothing but good things about their business, and I wouldn't hesitate to do business with them. I can be remarkably gullible myself at time, and don't see that being overly trusting is a bad thing.

Link Posted: 3/14/2005 2:34:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By mjrowley:

Originally Posted By ARDOC:
Blaine unfortuately there is a lot of animosity toward Todd and anything he has touched. The funny thing is that most of these bashers have not even held a SW product but are merely barfing up internet hearsay. Todds personality definitely has contributed mightily to the stigmata that is carried by his products. If he had provided good CS and stood by his products he would most likely still would be the top HK clone producer. But his rants especially against ORF is entertaining to say the least.

I have a SW weapon. IGF tweeked and built it. Totally reliable and no failures of any kind.



Hey this is ARFCOM, this is what we do best!



EDIT for spelling.



I really really want that V-53 pistol but after a complete and TOTAL NIGHTMARE experience with SW I'm still too traumatized. (I ended getting most of my $ back after 1year & 3 months and bought a REAl 94).

I'll wait to hear more range reports. But no way will I EVER go through that again. I can't believe somebody would shit on customers that bad in the "gun world".

AF, I do appreciate your honesty on your posts in this thread though.
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 2:37:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:

I've put..hm...say 1500 rounds through it. I'd have, on average, one FTE with every 360 rounds fired.




That is unacceptable for ANY rifle.

SGtar15



It ain't the weapon, it's the mags..my point was that there's more than one cause for failures in a rifle. (One of the HK mags has a weirdly bent lip.)
Link Posted: 3/14/2005 2:40:18 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/14/2005 2:41:51 PM EST
I have shot a run of the mill bobcat as well as stated before, it ran fine no problems. I would have no problem buying one.

Link Posted: 3/14/2005 2:48:26 PM EST
Why take a chance on getting a speshul/bobcat when you can get an HK clone from Ohio Rapidfire for just a bit more?
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