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Posted: 9/14/2004 6:31:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/15/2004 4:38:22 PM EST by repub18]
Just got off the phone with Ruger and they said it will be there policy that they wont sell High cap mags or Mini-14 folders to civilians even now.


I replied so you guys are up to the same tricks as before 1994 to whcih she replied that is just company policy and that the management decided that.


I guess Bill really didnt Die HUH
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:34:58 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:37:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:37:05 AM EST
Fuck em', I never wanted a jamamatic anyways. Far better products out there.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:37:19 AM EST
Well, I guess I won't be buying any Mini-14's, then.....
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:38:10 AM EST
With due respect, the Mini 14 has never been a gun I've been particularly fond of anyway.

The barrel heats up too fast, causing drifting. There are documented issues with the way the op rod hammers on various aspects of the mechanism during recoil affecting accuracy, and even genuine Ruger factor magazines sort of suck. Sure, most of these issues can be fixed with a few hundred dollars in gunsmithing, but hell... now you're up to the cost of a well equiped AR-15.

Who needs 'em.

They will learn the lesson that a seller who ignores the laws of demand does so at its own peril.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:38:34 AM EST
Change the Mini14 for an AR15, duh!
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:38:54 AM EST
Bye bye 10/22, hello CZ 452.....
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:38:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:
Just got off the phone with Ruger and they said it will be there policy that they wont sell High cap mags or Mini-14 folders to civilians even now.


I replied so you guys are up to the same tricks as before 1994 to whcih she replied that is just company policy and that the management decided that.


I guess Bill really didnt Die HUH

NEWS FLASH: RUGER NEVER SOLD HIGH CAPACITY MINI-14 MAGAZINES TO THE PUBLIC. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN PRICEY AND HARD TO GET. EVEN IN THE SEVENTIES.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:39:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:

Screw Ruger its boycott time


What are you 17 or 18? All this boycott talk and such.

Give it a rest, it's the day after the sunset for christ sakes.





I changed it to sound a little better
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:40:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
Just got off the phone with Ruger and they said it will be there policy that they wont sell High cap mags or Mini-14 folders to civilians even now.


I replied so you guys are up to the same tricks as before 1994 to whcih she replied that is just company policy and that the management decided that.


I guess Bill really didnt Die HUH

NEWS FLASH: RUGER NEVER SOLD HIGH CAPACITY MINI-14 MAGAZINES TO THE PUBLIC. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN PRICEY AND HARD TO GET. EVEN IN THE SEVENTIES.




NEWS FLASH that was when that old fucker Bill was in there is he there now, I dont think so unless he's burried at the factory
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:43:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/14/2004 6:44:06 AM EST by Just_Some_Guy]

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
Just got off the phone with Ruger and they said it will be there policy that they wont sell High cap mags or Mini-14 folders to civilians even now.


I replied so you guys are up to the same tricks as before 1994 to whcih she replied that is just company policy and that the management decided that.


I guess Bill really didnt Die HUH

NEWS FLASH: RUGER NEVER SOLD HIGH CAPACITY MINI-14 MAGAZINES TO THE PUBLIC. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN PRICEY AND HARD TO GET. EVEN IN THE SEVENTIES.




NEWS FLASH that was when that old fucker Bill was in there is he there now, I dont think so unless he's burried at the factory

Bill Senior doesn't have SQUAT to do with it. Mini 14 GBs, AC556s, and high capacity magazines for those guns were never sold to the public. It had to do with things other than Bill Ruger's personal preferences, whatever those were. Ruger is a publicly traded corporation with a board and stockholders to appease. Their current CEO, Steve Sanetti, was their former chief counsel -- an attorney.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:43:49 AM EST
I've been boycotting Ruger for years. The ONLY Ruger in my collection is an old Single Six of my grandmother's. They can keep their junk.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:44:35 AM EST


Give it a rest.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:44:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
I've been boycotting Ruger for years. The ONLY Ruger in my collection is an old Single Six of my grandmother's. They can keep their junk.

And I'm sure your granny is proud.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:45:02 AM EST
and your point is
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:45:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By hard-case:
Bye bye 10/22, hello CZ 452.....



Isn't the 452 a bolt gun? Or am I thinking of something else?

If you want a good mag-fed 22 auto, what other options would you consider?
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:45:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/14/2004 6:48:53 AM EST by Just_Some_Guy]

Originally Posted By repub18:
and your point is

And yours was what? That you're not very familiar with Ruger?
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:47:22 AM EST
Realistically, they probably sell so few Minis that it isn't worth their time and trouble to stock magazines and associated parts.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:47:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
and your point is

And yours was what? That you're not very familiar with Ruger?




Trust me Bill has everything to do with that policy and I wont argue with you about that, I dont get why people defend and financially support companies that dont support our 2nd amendment right??
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:49:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
and your point is

And yours was what? That you're not very familiar with Ruger?




Trust me Bill has everything to do with that policy and I wont argue with you about that, I dont get why people defend and financially support companies that dont support our 2nd amendment right??

Big-God-damned-deal. Ruger's official stance on high capacity Mini 14 magazines never stopped anyone from getting them. Get a dealer to order some or start hitting the gun shows. Better yet, get some PMIs and STFU.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:50:24 AM EST
you still didnt anwer my question


BTW calm down we are civilized people arent we just have a debate
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:51:12 AM EST
Unless you're not in a free state, why would you buy a Mini-14?

I owned one when I lived in Kali. Promptly sold it when I moved.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:52:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:
NEWS FLASH: RUGER NEVER SOLD HIGH CAPACITY MINI-14 MAGAZINES TO THE PUBLIC. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN PRICEY AND HARD TO GET. EVEN IN THE SEVENTIES.



Funny, the A*Team never had trouble getting them....
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:53:26 AM EST
I own no Rugers nor will I.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:53:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:
you still didnt anwer my question


BTW calm down we are civilized people arent we just have a debate

I did answer it. It has ALWAYS been Ruger's policy to exclude high capacity magazines for the Mini 14 from the civilian market. That's never slowed anyone down and there are plenty of other quality high capacity magazines to boot, like PMI, Thermold, and Masen. You're bent out of shape over NOTHING.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:55:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Engineer:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:
NEWS FLASH: RUGER NEVER SOLD HIGH CAPACITY MINI-14 MAGAZINES TO THE PUBLIC. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN PRICEY AND HARD TO GET. EVEN IN THE SEVENTIES.



Funny, the A*Team never had trouble getting them....

They were SPESHUL. Besides, if your name is Stembridge, you never have trouble getting much of anything.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:55:25 AM EST
I know but

I still dont get why people defend and financially support companies that dont support our 2nd amendment right??
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:57:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:
I know but

I still dont get why people defend and financially support companies that dont support our 2nd amendment right??

You equate Ruger's not selling high capacity Mini 14 magazines directly to the public with not supporting the 2nd Amendment???!!!!! Have you been working without a hardhat, or what?
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:57:33 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:58:54 AM EST
Those were real mini 14s the a team had, couldn't hit shit with them
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 6:59:49 AM EST
We all know why Ruger sold us out it was to save the Mini-14 and have that gun dominate the market as the only semi-auto 223 which accepts high cap mags
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:01:45 AM EST

You are dead wrong about rugers policy.

I had a gun store back in the good old days before the ban.

Ruger did indeed sell it's hi cap mini 14 mags to the public. And then, BEFORE the ban, they came out with a statement that they would voluntarily stop selling them to us.

Ruger has the right to sell or not sell it's product to anyone they choose.

We have the right to boycott them.

I chose to boycott them.

Screw them.

I stopped taking orders for ANY ruger product at that point. I turned down anyone who wanted to buy a ruger product from me.


Sorry ruger, screw you. I hope they go bankrupt.


I will do business with people who appreciate my patronage.

What kind of loser does business with a company who screws them over again and again?

Zen

"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"



Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:01:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:
We all know why Ruger sold us out it was to save the Mini-14 and have that gun dominate the market as the only semi-auto 223 which accepts high cap mags

Uh, yeah, okay.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:02:13 AM EST
10/22 and MkII.

Every gun owner need to own at least one.
It's a shame, but it's true.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:02:13 AM EST
Start a company and make your own mags and even sell to the public, simple.

I am no fan of the Mini 14 at all. It is inaccurate even from the first shot and it's heavy and cumbersome, anyone would prefer an AR15 over a Mini14 anytime if they held and shot both.

That being said, I own a P89DC that has thousands upon thousands of .9mm through it and not a single hiccup. It never jammed, never FTF's never FTRB'd, never stovepiped... it never did anything except what it was designed to do, shoot.

Will I buy another Ruger? Nope
They aren't exactly ergonomic and they are a bit clunky but "jammomatic"? not at all (at least not for their pistols)

The Mini14 is another story... a waste of metal and plastic.

As far as their policy, that's fine. Vote with your wallet and let others do the same.

If Kimber was "Pro Kerry"(hehehe) they'd still make a nice gun.

Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:03:11 AM EST
I'm fond of Ruger Vaqueros. They're very strong and very good alternative to an over priced and under quality Colt cowboy. That said, I've always felt their rifles were only good for driving into the ground and tying a cow to them. Once in a great while I'd hear of someone with an accurate Ruger rifle. I had three and they wouldn't hit worth a damn.

Want a rifle? Get a Remington or an AR or something else.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:03:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By ZEN:
You are dead wrong about rugers policy.

I had a gun store back in the good old days before the ban.

Ruger did indeed sell it's hi cap mini 14 mags to the public. And then, BEFORE the ban, they came out with a statement that they would voluntarily stop selling them to us.

Ruger has the right to sell or not sell it's product to anyone they choose.

We have the right to boycott them.

I chose to boycott them.

Screw them.

I stopped taking orders for ANY ruger product at that point. I turned down anyone who wanted to buy a ruger product from me.


Sorry ruger, screw you. I hope they go bankrupt.


I will do business with people who appreciate my patronage.

What kind of loser does business with a company who screws them over again and again?

Zen

"This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine"




I guess the losers who can read and write and appreciate good guns, that's who.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:03:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
We all know why Ruger sold us out it was to save the Mini-14 and have that gun dominate the market as the only semi-auto 223 which accepts high cap mags

Uh, yeah, okay.




then why was the Mini-14 excluded from the ban list but the M14 was banned HUH
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:04:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
We all know why Ruger sold us out it was to save the Mini-14 and have that gun dominate the market as the only semi-auto 223 which accepts high cap mags

Uh, yeah, okay.



Well, it *was* to save the Mini-14, Ruger's hope was that magazines would become regulated and not the guns themselves. As so whether the purpose was for the Mini-14 to dominate the market.. I dunno. But a business man who doesn't want their product to dominate the market is no business man at all.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:05:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
We all know why Ruger sold us out it was to save the Mini-14 and have that gun dominate the market as the only semi-auto 223 which accepts high cap mags

Uh, yeah, okay.




then why was the Mini-14 excluded from the ban list but the M14 was banned HUH

The Mini 14 doesn't have a flash suppressor, bayonet lug, or folding stock. Must've missed that, HUH?
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:06:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
We all know why Ruger sold us out it was to save the Mini-14 and have that gun dominate the market as the only semi-auto 223 which accepts high cap mags

Uh, yeah, okay.




then why was the Mini-14 excluded from the ban list but the M14 was banned HUH

The Mini 14 doesn't have a flash suppressor, bayonet lug, or folding stock. Must've missed that, HUH?



it had all of those and if it didnt come stock you could modify it to have those just like the M14
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:06:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By SNorman:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
We all know why Ruger sold us out it was to save the Mini-14 and have that gun dominate the market as the only semi-auto 223 which accepts high cap mags

Uh, yeah, okay.



Well, it *was* to save the Mini-14, Ruger's hope was that magazines would become regulated and not the guns themselves. As so whether the purpose was for the Mini-14 to dominate the market.. I dunno. But a business man who doesn't want their product to dominate the market is no business man at all.

The last I knew, Ruger manufactured a few more guns other than the Mini 14. Ever heard of the Model 77, Number 1, 10/22, Red Label, Gold Label, Woodside, Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, Single Six, Mark II, etc.? Guess not.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:07:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
We all know why Ruger sold us out it was to save the Mini-14 and have that gun dominate the market as the only semi-auto 223 which accepts high cap mags

Uh, yeah, okay.




then why was the Mini-14 excluded from the ban list but the M14 was banned HUH

The Mini 14 doesn't have a flash suppressor, bayonet lug, or folding stock. Must've missed that, HUH?



it had all of those and if it didnt come stock you could modify it to have those just like the M14

Uh, nooooooooooo, it didn't have "all of those." The Mini 14 GB was never sold to the public.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:08:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By SNorman:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
We all know why Ruger sold us out it was to save the Mini-14 and have that gun dominate the market as the only semi-auto 223 which accepts high cap mags

Uh, yeah, okay.



Well, it *was* to save the Mini-14, Ruger's hope was that magazines would become regulated and not the guns themselves. As so whether the purpose was for the Mini-14 to dominate the market.. I dunno. But a business man who doesn't want their product to dominate the market is no business man at all.

The last I knew, Ruger manufactured a few more guns other than the Mini 14. Ever heard of the Model 77, Number 1, 10/22, Red Label, Gold Label, Woodside, Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, Single Six, Mark II, etc.? Guess not.




those guns werent at risk of getting banned were they
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:09:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
We all know why Ruger sold us out it was to save the Mini-14 and have that gun dominate the market as the only semi-auto 223 which accepts high cap mags

Uh, yeah, okay.




then why was the Mini-14 excluded from the ban list but the M14 was banned HUH

The Mini 14 doesn't have a flash suppressor, bayonet lug, or folding stock. Must've missed that, HUH?



it had all of those and if it didnt come stock you could modify it to have those just like the M14

Uh, nooooooooooo, it didn't have "all of those." The Mini 14 GB was never sold to the public.




it doesnt matter if they werent sold to the public they were still available to sell to civialns through gun dealers who sold it to them
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:09:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By SNorman:

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
We all know why Ruger sold us out it was to save the Mini-14 and have that gun dominate the market as the only semi-auto 223 which accepts high cap mags

Uh, yeah, okay.



Well, it *was* to save the Mini-14, Ruger's hope was that magazines would become regulated and not the guns themselves. As so whether the purpose was for the Mini-14 to dominate the market.. I dunno. But a business man who doesn't want their product to dominate the market is no business man at all.

The last I knew, Ruger manufactured a few more guns other than the Mini 14. Ever heard of the Model 77, Number 1, 10/22, Red Label, Gold Label, Woodside, Blackhawk, Super Blackhawk, Single Six, Mark II, etc.? Guess not.




those guns werent at risk of getting banned were they

Neither was the Remington 7400. Did Remington conspire to get SA's M1A banned? I'm sure that'll be your next tack.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:10:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By repub18:
it doesnt matter if they werent sold to the public they were still available to sell to civialns through gun dealers who sold it to them

Uh, okay.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:11:31 AM EST
no it wont
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:12:53 AM EST
I really don't know why you're bellyaching, you probably can't afford a Mini 14 anyway.
Link Posted: 9/14/2004 7:13:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By Just_Some_Guy:

Originally Posted By repub18:
Just got off the phone with Ruger and they said it will be there policy that they wont sell High cap mags or Mini-14 folders to civilians even now.


I replied so you guys are up to the same tricks as before 1994 to whcih she replied that is just company policy and that the management decided that.


I guess Bill really didnt Die HUH

NEWS FLASH: RUGER NEVER SOLD HIGH CAPACITY MINI-14 MAGAZINES TO THE PUBLIC. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN PRICEY AND HARD TO GET. EVEN IN THE SEVENTIES.



Listen to him. He speaks truth.
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