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Posted: 9/12/2004 7:24:01 PM EDT
So, my brother always wanted a PDW type pistol, stockless of course, with the broomhandle fwd grip. Are weapons like that gonna be back on the table? Am I correct that pistols can be imported with the evil features but hi cap capable rifles cannot?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 7:28:26 PM EDT
Referring to the HKSp89?

NO, its covered by the 89 ban, I think.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:27:34 PM EDT
BTT.

Anyone know for sure?

Nacho grassyass.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:38:46 PM EDT
Speshul Wepenz made some SP89 clones, sans shroud. ORF could probably do one up for you, definitely could if you supplied the parts kit.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:39:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FiveO:
BTT.

Anyone know for sure?

Nacho grassyass.




I bet Ohio Rapid Fire or Jayson at IGF can build an SP89 for you.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:41:04 PM EDT
Pistols are covered by a 1993 import ban but you can import the parts and assemble one yourself.

CRC
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:43:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 9:44:15 PM EDT by IamtheNRA]

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:
Referring to the HKSp89?





NOOOOO...NOT THAT EEEEEVILLLLL GUN...NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:48:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By FiveO:
BTT.

Anyone know for sure?

Nacho grassyass.




I bet Ohio Rapid Fire or Jayson at IGF can build an SP89 for you.




I'l bet Toad at Speshul WEpOns cood build won fer you!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:50:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:50:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FiveO:
So, my brother always wanted a PDW type pistol, stockless of course, with the broomhandle fwd grip. Are weapons like that gonna be back on the table? Am I correct that pistols can be imported with the evil features but hi cap capable rifles cannot?



+1 for ORF to build one.. the forward grip would make it a NFA weapon tho.. (AOW)

You could also do a SP-89 Stretch.. www.fjvollmer.com/ROB-1/4/4.htm

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:51:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Just remember that if you add a front grip you will not have a pistol but an AOW wich requires a tax stamp.



OOOOOH...FIVE WHOLE DOLLARS...
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:53:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 9:55:09 PM EDT by Lightning_P38]
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 9:56:37 PM EDT
Correct me if I'm wrong:

They can't be imported (been covered before)
But magazines can be located outside of the pistol grip.

Someone like Vector could always make a knock-off.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 10:05:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AW-101:
Correct me if I'm wrong:

They can't be imported (been covered before)
But magazines can be located outside of the pistol grip.

Someone like Vector could always make a knock-off.



You're wrong

The mag location thing is aprt of the stupidass, dead AWB...

The only rule is no forward grips without registration as an AOW...
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 10:07:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FiveO:
So, my brother always wanted a PDW type pistol, stockless of course, with the broomhandle fwd grip. Are weapons like that gonna be back on the table? Am I correct that pistols can be imported with the evil features but hi cap capable rifles cannot?



The HK one is banned under the 89 import ban...

A clone would be legit, though...

Also, an AR pistol of similar proportions would be legal now...

Olympic Arms makes the appropriate sized uppers...
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 10:07:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

You're wrong

The mag location thing is aprt of the stupidass, dead AWB...

The only rule is no forward grips without registration as an AOW...



Okay, what I thought. Thanks for clearing it up.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 10:37:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 10:37:59 PM EDT by AR-15Fan]
Someone should get a "ruling" from the ATF on the matter of adding a forward pistol grip to a pistol not originally designed with it. In a court case in NC I think it was the District Court ruled adding one was not manufacturing an AOW, and threw out charges against someone regarding that (www.titleii.com/BardwellOLD/us_v_davis2.txt specifically 24-27 and then elsewhere it throws out the charges).

Wonder if the ATF might reverse some of it's earlier policy, doubtful but...
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 3:15:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Just remember that if you add a front pistol grip you will not have a pistol but an AOW wich requires a tax stamp.



Forward grip parallel to the barrel are allowed. No forward grips at an angle to the barrel.
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 3:33:11 AM EDT
MP5= overpriced beretta pistol
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 3:43:41 AM EDT
want one of those
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 4:23:17 AM EDT
The SP89 was actually banned by name in a Clinton executive order in 1993. It would take another executive order or a supreme court ruling to unban it.

www.hkpro.com/sp89.htm

Best thing you can hope for is for ORF to build you a clone with enough US parts not to be an imported gun, and not to call it an SP89. How 'bout an ORF89 anyone?
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 4:24:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 4:29:25 AM EDT
Actually, the 9mm out of a short barrel has better ballistic characteristics that a .223. I'm hoping to add an SP-89 clone to my collection. Stay away from the SW89s though--they were built very light to get around the 50oz. rule that no longer exists as of today. I can't imagine the parts in those will last very long.

Then again, Vector will probably have a mini-Uzi transferable as a handgun (with no stock). Might be better...
Link Posted: 9/13/2004 4:32:51 AM EDT
Oh God.

I was so busy thinking about bayonet lugs, flash suppresors, and cheap magazines that i forgot all about these little beasties. Im going to be so broke.
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