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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:01:37 AM EDT
What are the points of contact. I know what the fourth point is.
 What are the others?
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:10:26 AM EDT
[#1]
If I recall correctly (after almost -Ball of foot -heel -calf -Upper thigh/butt -side of thorax (latissimus dorsi muscles)  ETA:It will be 40,not 30 yrs in june 2006! |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:14:40 AM EDT
[#2]
Balls of the feet
Calves Thighs Buttocks Pushup muscles Or Feet Ass Head |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:17:15 AM EDT
[#3]
Thanks for the swift replies. I figured it was somthing along that line of the body.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:29:21 AM EDT
[#4]
This reminds me.This summer I was talking to a 45sh y/o man who was working on the finishing touches of the drywall they had hung,"mudded" and sanded.
He spontaneously said he could not do certain things because of physical limitations from when he was in the "Spushal Forces"  I asked him if he got injured doing a PLF (Parachute Landing Fall).He looked at me like I was speaking greek and said: "Huh?"  |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:37:33 AM EDT
[#5]
Roger. Paratrooper posers are the easiest to bust in person.
Everyone who's been on jump status has been through prejump prior to rigging up. And part of that prejump is doing the required 4 PLFs. Who could ever forget the Jumpmaster standing there, saying over and over, "Prepare to land...land...prepare to land...land...prepare to land...land..."? Something as simple as "PLF" - good call. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What was pre-jump? Doing PLFs off the platforms or in the harnesses? OOPs.Sorry Chuck.I hit edit instead of quote......again!  EdSr |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:43:18 AM EDT
[#6]
Heck. Even I know what a PLF is ... and I'm a leg!
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:45:32 AM EDT
[#7]
Does the 82nd still use canopy lights for night jumps or have they phased those out yet? |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:48:56 AM EDT
[#8]
They went the way of in-flight Dragon repair kits and riser grease. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:52:33 AM EDT
[#9]
Prejump was the block of instruction prior to every jump. A mini review of actions in the aircraft, points of performance, rules of the air, collisions, practice PLFs off a platform (if one was available), etc. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:54:26 AM EDT
[#10]
I have admitted here before that in my Cherry night jump at the 82nd I went to the jumpmaster and asked him for my "lights".One of my "friends" insisted I needed them to be able to check if the canopy deployed.Made sense then .....Duh!
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:56:39 AM EDT
[#11]
You mean in the wooden mock plane you had to get into before jumping? |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:57:21 AM EDT
[#12]
I pity you poor bastards who have to jump round unsteerable canopies and PLF. With my recreational canopy, most landings were like stepping off a very fast escalator. We were taught how to PLF during ground school, but I never really had a landing where I needed to.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:58:06 AM EDT
[#13]
I had to jump off my roof the other day (ladder fell) and did a perfect PLF (IMHO).
Not bad since my last jump was 1988. My wife looked at me like an idiot. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 6:59:36 AM EDT
[#14]
We'd normally do our prejump in the battalion PT area (facing Ardennes) and do PLFs off of the PT platform. We didn't have the luxury of a mock aircraft / door. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 7:01:16 AM EDT
[#15]
One of the tricks we learned from old timers, was to pull on the risers (towards us) as you approached the ground,then let them go when you were about 1 foot from the ground. Of course when you are occilating like the pendulum of a grandfather clock,nothing helped!
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Posted: 2/3/2006 7:05:45 AM EDT
[#16]
I bet you those mock airplanes rotted away over the years.They were off to the side of the end of the runway (where we were given the parachutes,put them on and loaded the planes),at Pope itself. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 7:08:47 AM EDT
[#17]
Ah, Green Ramp at Pope. Yes sir, you are correct. There were no mock aircraft left when I was there. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 8:58:34 AM EDT
[#18]
I know what a PLF is and I've never served. I just paid some crazies to drop me out of an airplane on my own time. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 9:16:04 AM EDT
[#19]
Don't know if the American PLF is used world-wide or not. When I got my Dutch wings, it was feet at a 45 degree off-center (But together), knees slightly bent, tuck head between arms, then in impact, feet, ankle, side of calf/knee, side of thigh, side of torso, then a half-roll onto the back swinging the legs up and over, with final impact of the side of the other leg.
NTM |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 9:46:43 AM EDT
[#20]
That's pretty close to what I remember....except for the 45 degree off center for the feet.The leg swinging.we were taught also. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 9:51:57 AM EDT
[#21]
I always enjoyed jumping with a fine coat of riser grease and some canopy lights for our jumps.
Sua Sponte, Prib |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 9:56:32 AM EDT
[#22]
All we had were the MC1-1B chutes at 2nd Batt. You could get going pretty fast if you ran with the wind with one of those. I only had one tree landing at Lewis (I'd recommend not do it)
Never had to jump a T-10 after jump school. Sua Sponte, Prib |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 10:02:12 AM EDT
[#23]
That's pull-up muscle. If your last point of contact is your push-up muscle (chest) you would likely break your nose.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 10:03:15 AM EDT
[#24]
These are the only three I know of Or there is .. Ruck Feet Ass Head 
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Posted: 2/3/2006 10:14:03 AM EDT
[#25]
In Colorado at 7000ft, it's feet, knees, face.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 10:27:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/3/2006 10:41:12 AM EDT
[#27]
I'm not entirely sure if you're joking or not but it's definitely "pushup muscle" (i.e. latissimus dorsi).  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paratroopers |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 10:48:23 AM EDT
[#28]
Just graduated Jump Master School a few months ago and it is your pushup muscle, (latisimus dorsai (SP?)
5 more jumps for the Star |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 11:29:19 AM EDT
[#29]
It doesn’t matter how many sky dives you've got, until you've stepped out of an airplane in total darkness at twelve hundred and fifty feet wearing ninety-five pounds of equipment and forty-two pounds of parachute, you are still a leg. Period. |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 11:37:44 AM EDT
[#30]
Even if there was no need to, in the military, a "standing landing" was strictly verboten (at least in non SF type units). Rumor had it, that it was an article 15 offense. Of course I never did it. 
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Posted: 2/3/2006 11:45:47 AM EDT
[#31]
The lats are 'pulling' muscles - for wide / close grip pulldowns, pullups, etc. The pecs are the muscles generally used for pushups (if you're talking about standard pushups and not some airborne term I've never heard.) pushups: pecs / triceps pullups: lats / biceps |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 11:54:11 AM EDT
[#32]
You should notify the US Army School of Infantry, Basic Airborne Course and set them straight.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 11:59:53 AM EDT
[#33]
When I left in 2001, there were some new mock doors built down at Green ramp right next to the new indoor rigging area. That was a lot better than rigging up on the side of that little hill next to the tarmac itself.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 12:00:07 PM EDT
[#34]
One of the guys from my section at Bragg almost got an article 15 for doing a standing landing in front of the BN CMDR. Man was that funny.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 12:06:33 PM EDT
[#35]
I'm glad to hear they've improved it. I haven't been to Pope since 1990. Heck, I think my last jump was back in 1996 (with my LRSU). |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 12:19:33 PM EDT
[#36]
maybe they can just get some physiology textbooks instead? 
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Posted: 2/3/2006 12:45:03 PM EDT
[#37]
I DO NOT REMEMBER WHAT TERMS THEY USED THEN,OR WHAT THEY USE NOW....BUT BASTIAT IS RIGHT AS TO WHAT MUSCLES ARE USED FOR WHAT EXCERCISE.(caps were locked  )Maybe the JS cadre should read some anatomy/physiology text. When you do a push up with elbows away from your body,you use your pecs primarily.If you pull your elbows in (towards your torso) you engage your triceps much more, and your pecs get a lot of assistance from the triceps. When you do pull ups,you use your lats as primary muscle,delts help a bit.When you do CHIN ups,your bicep is heavily engaged in the pulling. Trust me I have done many push ups |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 3:36:10 PM EDT
[#38]
The idea for the feet at an angle was to help the body naturally fall to one side or the other. Whatever way we were going when we hit, forwards or backwards, we obviously didn't have much say in the issue, the motion would result in falling to a particular side. For example, if the feet were twisted to the right, and we were moving forward, we would always land on the left side of our legs/torso. If going backwards, we'd always land on the right side. NTM |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 3:47:40 PM EDT
[#39]
not trying to be a dick here, but your sig line says " B co, 2/187, 193rd inf bde, Panama". what year? I was in A co. in 86 and 87, and the whole battalion was Airborne. Do you remember 1Sgt Lamika? |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 3:52:34 PM EDT
[#40]
Someone remind me again,
What are the two things that fall out of the sky? ANdy |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:00:32 PM EDT
[#41]
Paratroopers and bombs ?
That sounds similar to what I learned in Denmark (civie parachute training while I was in the military), but the local translation was "rolling fall" |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:07:12 PM EDT
[#42]
We do not fall out of the sky, We JUMP THROUGH IT Only a leg will fall. As to the 45 degree deal, remember "Think Banana"  Ed, The dummy ships (wooden jump platform) were at the end of green ramp area. And it was a bitch going up and down that damn hill. Almost as bad as landing on the helipad  (the steel perf plates they dropped near the bleachers) when your trying to hit the target they had out there. (also jumped with the green beanie club) And please never get dyslexic and do a PFL instead of a PLF..... My favorite command.......STAND..IN THE DOOR
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:09:02 PM EDT
[#43]
<Someone remind me again,
What are the two things that fall out of the sky? ANdy> If you must know: The occasional Rucks that detatch from lowering lines and helicopters with engine failure. Sua Sponte, Prib |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:12:38 PM EDT
[#44]
Close Birdsh*t  |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:14:37 PM EDT
[#45]
Man, 1250 feet is high up. I haven't jumped from that high since airborne school.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:24:08 PM EDT
[#46]
Anyone who will use a 'last resort in an emergency means of escape' to exit a perfectly good and functional airplane is nuts.....
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:26:37 PM EDT
[#47]
I got lucky a few times in my LRS unit. We would do elevators in helos. The pilots would take us up several grand. This was during the Summer months. We got a lot of hang time.
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:27:47 PM EDT
[#48]
I don't think I've ever been on a "perfectly good" airplane. Nothing like seeing some pop rivets rolling around on the deck of an ancient Air Guard C-130 to add a sense of haste toward stepping out the door. I won't even get into foreign aircraft..... |
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:28:54 PM EDT
[#49]
Funny.I don't remember the hill or the bleachers.......at all! Old age for you! I must admit that I did "fall" out of the sky several times.I remember I was so sick on one of the C-141 ride,that I just wanted out of the plane.2/3 thirds of us 
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Posted: 2/3/2006 4:33:46 PM EDT
[#50]
Geez, nearly all our jumps were at 1000-1250. I only remember very few at less than 900.
The Hollywood jumps that 7th Grp sponsored on Saturdays were a gas. I got in 7 jumps in one day once. Most of the time I got in 3-4 on the Hollywood jumps. What really sticks in my memory is Death Drop '82. I still have my dented helmet from that one. Really got my bell rung. |
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