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Posted: 3/5/2015 11:43:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2015 12:13:46 AM EDT by gODZOOKIE]
I'm having one of these installed Tuesday-
http://www.lopistoves.com/product-detail.aspx?model=422(Large Flush Hybrid)

I haven't seen anything that says I need a grate for the wood to sit on. Do I need one?
I've always used a cast iron grate in my open fireplace

My open fireplace can put out a lot of heat (depending on the wood) but I'm constantly feeding the thing
For those that heat with an insert, will I be seeing a big, dramatic change in efficiency? (sales guy said I would )

Hope it's money well spent
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 11:48:58 PM EDT
My next house will have a free standing wood stove instead of a fire place.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 11:53:11 PM EDT
I have a standard lined 'insert' in my house which I do use when it gets really cold. It does help but it goes through a lot of wood and only has screens in place, I never leave a fire burning when I go to bed. I've been thinking of going down this road to augment my propane furnace during winter but the costs are staggering for an unknown bang for the buck. $4-$5K is a lot of coin to spend when perhaps replacing my A/C with a heat-pump and keep my propane furnace for cold periods.

Anyone have thoughts?
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 11:53:51 PM EDT
Its like night and day compared to a open fireplace ... more heat from way less wood
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 11:53:57 PM EDT
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My next house will have a free standing wood stove instead of a fire place.
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My old house had a Vermont Castings free standing unit and it was really nice
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 11:55:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HatinHillbilly:
Its like night and day compared to a open fireplace ... more heat from way less wood
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Thanks Hillbilly. I'm a hopin'
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 11:58:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gODZOOKIE:

I haven't seen anything that says I need a grate for the wood to sit on. Do I need one?
I've always used a cast iron grate in my open fireplace
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A grate is not needed. Just build the fire on the floor of the insert. I have an insert from Harmon. Love it.
Link Posted: 3/5/2015 11:59:48 PM EDT
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A grate is not needed. Just build the fire on the floor of the insert. I have an insert from Harmon. Love it.
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Originally Posted By Lexington:
Originally Posted By gODZOOKIE:

I haven't seen anything that says I need a grate for the wood to sit on. Do I need one?
I've always used a cast iron grate in my open fireplace


A grate is not needed. Just build the fire on the floor of the insert. I have an insert from Harmon. Love it.

Good. Thank you
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 12:00:29 AM EDT
I can get between 2 hours and 4 hours on feeding my quadra fire insert. 3100i.

Just build a fire on the fire brick. Fire bricks need replaced every few years, they're cheap. (Like a dollar.)
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 12:03:42 AM EDT
i had an insert in my fireplace installed, it worked well, but i did run into a chimney sweep that wanted to see installation papers before they would clean the flue.
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 12:06:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:
I can get between 2 hours and 4 hours on feeding my quadra fire insert. 3100i.

Just build a fire on the fire brick. Fire bricks need replaced every few years, they're cheap. (Like a dollar.)
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My model says up to a 10hr burn time on a load. While not realistically expecting that, I'm hoping for a good 4hrs. anyway
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 12:08:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By gODZOOKIE:

My model says up to a 10hr burn time on a load. While not realistically expecting that, I'm hoping for a good 4hrs. anyway
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Originally Posted By gODZOOKIE:
Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:
I can get between 2 hours and 4 hours on feeding my quadra fire insert. 3100i.

Just build a fire on the fire brick. Fire bricks need replaced every few years, they're cheap. (Like a dollar.)

My model says up to a 10hr burn time on a load. While not realistically expecting that, I'm hoping for a good 4hrs. anyway



All comes down to the wood you use. Perfectly seasoned oak I've had burn 6+ hours.

Ash is what I'm mostly burning. A lot shorter. I have some older junk wood and its just paper.
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 12:08:33 AM EDT
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i had an insert in my fireplace installed, it worked well, but i did run into a chimney sweep that wanted to see installation papers before they would clean the flue.
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Good to know, thanks
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 12:10:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:



All comes down to the wood you use. Perfectly seasoned oak I've had burn 6+ hours.

Ash is what I'm mostly burning. A lot shorter. I have some older junk wood and its just paper.
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:
Originally Posted By gODZOOKIE:
Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:
I can get between 2 hours and 4 hours on feeding my quadra fire insert. 3100i.

Just build a fire on the fire brick. Fire bricks need replaced every few years, they're cheap. (Like a dollar.)

My model says up to a 10hr burn time on a load. While not realistically expecting that, I'm hoping for a good 4hrs. anyway



All comes down to the wood you use. Perfectly seasoned oak I've had burn 6+ hours.

Ash is what I'm mostly burning. A lot shorter. I have some older junk wood and its just paper.

Great! I've got a bunch of well seasoned oak and some cherry
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 12:29:34 AM EDT
thats a topflight unit there, gonna be sweet. i never usea rack, just right on the bricks. gets so hot doesnt matter. all burns.
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 12:37:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sksAL:
thats a topflight unit there, gonna be sweet. i never usea rack, just right on the bricks. gets so hot doesnt matter. all burns.
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Thanks. Yeah, I really wasn't expecting to spend that kinda coin but we built the house 10 yrs ago with the expectation to go with an insert but just never had the cash
until now
We're planning on spending the rest of our life here so maybe the investment will eventually pay off

I'm just really tired of feeding that fireplace a log every 20 minutes
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 12:43:39 AM EDT
No grate needed.

The efficiency will be huge compared to a standard fireplace.
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 12:49:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Colsrob:
No grate needed.

The efficiency will be huge compared to a standard fireplace.
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Good again!
Even with oak, I'm lucky to get 45mins on a fully loaded grate as it is now
Fast burning maple or sycamore.... seems I'm up and down constantly feeding it
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 1:04:02 AM EDT
It's getting down to 28 tonight here in Central Texas...I am sitting in my den next to a insert that was installed when the den was added onto the house in 1977.

Bought and remodeled the house 6 years ago, it was built in '55, and is about 2700 square feet. The insert runs none stop pretty much all the time from November to mid March and will heat the front half of the house. It will burn 1/8 of a cord every 3 days if we keep it stoked. Wouldn't be without it. Changed one of the fan motors out two years ago...other than that it's been great.

Build the fire right in the box. I had the same question when I bought the house...
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 1:05:55 AM EDT
im now in ky too,in my detached garage, i put a free standing old steel woodstove, its a ponderosa- looks like a fisher. 400+ lbs takes 30" wood. man that thing is a heat throwin monster. with this crazy winter i wish it was in the house, it'll be like 4 tonite with over a foot of new snow. guess i brought my weather down here.
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 1:11:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Brazos:
It's getting down to 28 tonight here in Central Texas...I am sitting in my den next to a insert that was installed when the den was added onto the house in 1977.

Bought and remodeled the house 6 years ago, it was built in '55, and is about 2700 square feet. The insert runs none stop pretty much all the time from November to mid March and will heat the front half of the house. It will burn 1/8 of a cord every 3 days if we keep it stoked. Wouldn't be without it. Changed one of the fan motors out two years ago...other than that it's been great.

Build the fire right in the box. I had the same question when I bought the house...
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Awesome!
I think the last days of frost are in April here so I'll at least have that long to enjoy it
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 1:14:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By gODZOOKIE:

My old house had a Vermont Castings free standing unit and it was really nice
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Originally Posted By Palm:
My next house will have a free standing wood stove instead of a fire place.

My old house had a Vermont Castings free standing unit and it was really nice

expect the same, probly longer burn time with the new stove. money well spent!
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 1:15:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sksAL:
im now in ky too,in my detached garage, i put a free standing old steel woodstove, its a ponderosa- looks like a fisher. 400+ lbs takes 30" wood. man that thing is a heat throwin monster. with this crazy winter i wish it was in the house, it'll be like 4 tonite with over a foot of new snow. guess i brought my weather down here.
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Crazy! -17 below last week and this morning I measured 15" of snow! Sure wish I had it now, brrr...
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 1:23:03 AM EDT
im in western ky, by LBL. i have 3' drifts around my house. my kids are never gonna go to school.ugg.
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 1:28:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sksAL:
im in western ky, by LBL. i have 3' drifts around my house. my kids are never gonna go to school.ugg.
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Ohio Co.
My kid loves school
Hard for her...hard for mom and dad
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 1:54:49 AM EDT


You'll need a metal bucket with a lid and something to shovel the ashes out...they do build up.

After shoveling out the ashes, the bucket should be set aside on a non-flammable surface, hot coals can stay that way a long time, and more than a few fires have been set by careless disposal of ashes.

I've had my insert for 10 years now, love everything about it but the mess...and I can deal with that when the power is out and I'm all warm and toasty.

Link Posted: 3/6/2015 5:54:35 PM EDT
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You'll need a metal bucket with a lid and something to shovel the ashes out...they do build up.

After shoveling out the ashes, the bucket should be set aside on a non-flammable surface, hot coals can stay that way a long time, and more than a few fires have been set by careless disposal of ashes.

I've had my insert for 10 years now, love everything about it but the mess...and I can deal with that when the power is out and I'm all warm and toasty.

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Yes. A whole 'nother thread but I've looked at air purifier's but don't have the cash now for one large enough for my sq. ft
I wish I knew what it's like to be nasal congestion free for a day

Just my little shop-vac, frequent dusting and clean return filters
Link Posted: 3/6/2015 6:04:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2015 6:18:49 PM EDT by Merc1973]
My neighbor has a Lopi insert and he loves it. I have a Quadrafire 4100i insert. My home is 1900 sq.ft. That's the one they recommended for us based on house sq.ft. I say go up another size, trust me. Make sure you try out a demo model to see how quiet the fans run. Mine is loud, however the next model up 5100i is SUPER quiet, plus you can put more wood in a bigger model which will last longer.

Make sure you don't get one with a catalytic converter!!!

This was our first winter with it and we used it 99% for our heat, since our furnace is oil burning.

Stock up on wood NOW. We went though over 4 cord this year. Lucky I have my deuce and a half to haul wood.










Link Posted: 3/9/2015 10:27:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Merc1973:
My neighbor has a Lopi insert and he loves it. I have a Quadrafire 4100i insert. My home is 1900 sq.ft. That's the one they recommended for us based on house sq.ft. I say go up another size, trust me. Make sure you try out a demo model to see how quiet the fans run. Mine is loud, however the next model up 5100i is SUPER quiet, plus you can put more wood in a bigger model which will last longer.

Make sure you don't get one with a catalytic converter!!!

This was our first winter with it and we used it 99% for our heat, since our furnace is oil burning.

Stock up on wood NOW. We went though over 4 cord this year. Lucky I have my deuce and a half to haul wood.


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Nice!

I was told this insert uses new catalyst technology. Not supposed to ever have to worry about replacing it and the place I bought it from doesn't even keep those in stock (I was concerned about that as my old free standing stove's catalyst needed replacing after about 6 yrs.) We'll see!

This is a hybrid design as well, as it not only can burn wood but pellets, coal, etc.
I'll post pics once installed if interested

Link Posted: 3/10/2015 1:58:07 PM EDT
Bad news...
Guys came out to do a pre-inspection and chimney sweep before putting the liner in and getting started
Used a brush first then had to go a heavy gauge, aggressive wire....still didn't get all the stage 3 creosote (bad) off
He and another guy spent a good hour just scrubbing

He didn't want to get any more aggressive with it for fear of damaging the tile
Had a couple of deep cracks in the joints as well
Ran a camera up there and it still looked pretty bad

Though they (kinda) isolated the area and (kinda) cleaned afterwards it still made a pretty big mess and I just got through running a shop-vac throughout the house

I had it swept 6 yrs (?) ago but I've obviously been burning wet/damp wood
Only dry wood from now on (20/22%) and will have it cleaned every year now

Sooo.... gonna have to have the build-up chemically removed now. All day job that they'll have to re-schedule
Mo' money!

Good news....
No chimney fire
Won't have to pay for initial inspection and cleaning as salesman forgot to add it to final bill
Will take off cost of several feet of liner as they charged me for 33' (unseen) but they measured it at 26'

Always sump'n


Link Posted: 3/10/2015 2:12:39 PM EDT
Had an insert at my last house. Loved it. Lots of heat. No grate needed, made fire right on the brick.

Tip: Take two average to small sized logs and form a V out of them. Ball up newspaper and place in the middle of the V. Add your kindling on top of that. As the kindling burns down the two logs start to take as well. Gets you faster to coals.

Also, buy yourself a few can of Sterno. I used this to preheat my flue. I'd pop a can in and leave it while I gather wood, kindling and newspaper. Make a torch out of the newspaper to test just before lighting. I've filled the house with smoke a time or two. What a mess.

Enjoy!
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Originally Posted By gODZOOKIE:

Good again!
Even with oak, I'm lucky to get 45mins on a fully loaded grate as it is now
Fast burning maple or sycamore.... seems I'm up and down constantly feeding it
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Originally Posted By gODZOOKIE:
Originally Posted By Colsrob:
No grate needed.

The efficiency will be huge compared to a standard fireplace.

Good again!
Even with oak, I'm lucky to get 45mins on a fully loaded grate as it is now
Fast burning maple or sycamore.... seems I'm up and down constantly feeding it



I've got a LOPI insert. with oak, you shouldn't have any problem getting 8 hrs a load. I can fill it up at 7am and the blower will still be running with a nice bed of coals when I get home at 5pm

there is a learning curve on how to load it and set the damper.

ETA. the liner works very nice in a masonry chimney. the only creosote I have is right at the top where the liner exits the chimney. clean it maybe once a year for the last 13 years
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Had an insert at my last house. Loved it. Lots of heat. No grate needed, made fire right on the brick.

Tip: Take two average to small sized logs and form a V out of them. Ball up newspaper and place in the middle of the V. Add your kindling on top of that. As the kindling burns down the two logs start to take as well. Gets you faster to coals.

Also, buy yourself a few can of Sterno. I used this to preheat my flue. I'd pop a can in and leave it while I gather wood, kindling and newspaper. Make a torch out of the newspaper to test just before lighting. I've filled the house with smoke a time or two. What a mess.

Enjoy!
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Great tips. Thanks!
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I've got a LOPI insert. with oak, you shouldn't have any problem getting 8 hrs a load. I can fill it up at 7am and the blower will still be running with a nice bed of coals when I get home at 5pm

there is a learning curve on how to load it and set the damper.

ETA. the liner works very nice in a masonry chimney. the only creosote I have is right at the top where the liner exits the chimney. clean it maybe once a year for the last 13 years
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Originally Posted By subvet707:
Originally Posted By gODZOOKIE:
Originally Posted By Colsrob:
No grate needed.

The efficiency will be huge compared to a standard fireplace.

Good again!
Even with oak, I'm lucky to get 45mins on a fully loaded grate as it is now
Fast burning maple or sycamore.... seems I'm up and down constantly feeding it



I've got a LOPI insert. with oak, you shouldn't have any problem getting 8 hrs a load. I can fill it up at 7am and the blower will still be running with a nice bed of coals when I get home at 5pm

there is a learning curve on how to load it and set the damper.

ETA. the liner works very nice in a masonry chimney. the only creosote I have is right at the top where the liner exits the chimney. clean it maybe once a year for the last 13 years

Good to know on the burn times. That's a relief
Guy said there's a definite learning curve to getting it set right
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My model says up to a 10hr burn time on a load. While not realistically expecting that, I'm hoping for a good 4hrs. anyway
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Originally Posted By gODZOOKIE:
Originally Posted By Foxtrot08:
I can get between 2 hours and 4 hours on feeding my quadra fire insert. 3100i.

Just build a fire on the fire brick. Fire bricks need replaced every few years, they're cheap. (Like a dollar.)

My model says up to a 10hr burn time on a load. While not realistically expecting that, I'm hoping for a good 4hrs. anyway


We have a Lopi Freedom. Heats the whole house (legit 3000sqft), though as you expect, the far reaches are cooler. We have a pretty open house. Turn on the recirculate on your central to move the heat and/or the overhead fans on winter setting.

You don't need a grate. That would take up precious wood space.

We get about 5-6 hours of useful heat out of 'er, we use wood cut off the place. Those 'burn time' numbers are like the MPG on the car sticker. They burn stuff in a perfect environment to get the most. We use dry, cured firewood from the pile. You have to build it back up in the morning, but there's plenty of coals to git 'er going again.

Struggles to maintain house temp below 20. Really shines in 20s - 30s. We went from heating with 600 gal propane/yr to about 50 gal this year.


Link Posted: 3/10/2015 3:33:53 PM EDT
I have a craft stove insert, my house is small, around 1500 sqft, it will run you out of the house if you turn the blower on too high, I mean when its 20 degrees out it will get the house up to 80 if you are not watching. They are awesome, we dont use it much living in SC but when it gets really cold, down below 30 ( yea thats really cold here) we start a fire and I love the smell.

nothing like heat off the stove its great.


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I've got a LOPI insert. with oak, you shouldn't have any problem getting 8 hrs a load. I can fill it up at 7am and the blower will still be running with a nice bed of coals when I get home at 5pm

there is a learning curve on how to load it and set the damper.

ETA. the liner works very nice in a masonry chimney. the only creosote I have is right at the top where the liner exits the chimney. clean it maybe once a year for the last 13 years
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Originally Posted By gODZOOKIE:
Originally Posted By Colsrob:
No grate needed.

The efficiency will be huge compared to a standard fireplace.

Good again!
Even with oak, I'm lucky to get 45mins on a fully loaded grate as it is now
Fast burning maple or sycamore.... seems I'm up and down constantly feeding it



I've got a LOPI insert. with oak, you shouldn't have any problem getting 8 hrs a load. I can fill it up at 7am and the blower will still be running with a nice bed of coals when I get home at 5pm

there is a learning curve on how to load it and set the damper.

ETA. the liner works very nice in a masonry chimney. the only creosote I have is right at the top where the liner exits the chimney. clean it maybe once a year for the last 13 years


Oh, yeah, and regarding the automatic blower switch, I got tired of it and first thing I did was jumper the thermostat to come on when I wanted it to.

I had the thing cutting off prematurely because of ash buildup in front of the thermostat.



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