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Posted: 10/3/2004 5:31:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2004 5:51:00 PM EST by EdAvilaSr]
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 5:36:50 PM EST
Well well well....

Thank you sir.

Clears up alot
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 5:42:32 PM EST
Thank you. Since you own this board, you can make whatever rules you want, and they are not subject to debate.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 5:44:09 PM EST
Works for me.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 5:44:50 PM EST
well said sir
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 5:47:07 PM EST
Well said!

If the CoC is dropped this will be another full-auto.com.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 5:49:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2004 5:49:57 PM EST by Zaphod]
Ed,

I do have one question, and it's an honest one.

Are you guys against various kinds of posts (those advocating racism, or discussing illegal conversions, for example) because you simply wish to keep the site clean or because there are very real legal implications?

Either way is fine by me, but I'm really curious as to where you guys start to catch heat from a legal standpoint, despite the 1st amendment protections that may or may not apply.

Thanks!

- Z
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 5:57:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2004 5:58:13 PM EST by captainpooby]
I honestly dont have a problem with the rules even though I've been locked for violations. I/we get severely angry with the RoP and CoC sometimes and dont care what falls upon us when we say what we think. I've said things I knew would get me banned as a statement. I understand the rules and expect to take my medicine if I break them.
I like this place and have no real complaints.



Where's Balzac?
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:01:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:06:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:12:42 PM EST
Well put.

Your house, your toys, your rules. Seems fair to me.


(Besides....if I want to see T&A, I go to one of the millions of other T&A websites....I come here for the people and the guns)
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:13:38 PM EST
Well said Ed. As you already know from past threads, many people here are willing to stand up for this site, and for you and your family. While I know some will say you don't need anyone to stand up for you or yours, just know that most of us here are behing you, Goatboy, and the rest of the staff and mods.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:18:11 PM EST
I can stick to these rules.

Ed, thanks for all of the effort to keep this site going, it means a lot.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:19:30 PM EST
OK Now we know where Balzac is... Where did "Big Bear" go? or was it "Bear?"... all I remember was his avatar of a big burly bear walking.

On another note. We have lost members here to 'locked' accounts and then kno one knows where they went. I have seen people asking where did ________go? Do you think that it is a good idea to point out who's acct was locked and why?

Or better yet, if there is a "suspension of service" should someone get out of hand. I dont know what happened to Balzac, I do know that he has contributed to the site when it came to hands on pics of 9-11. then, he was gone.

Not saying that you need to PUBLICLY execute him, but maybe a reason of why? Otherwise they go on to other sites giving their side to the story without the possibility of fair judgement.

This is a great site. The information that is extracted from this site that we share from HOW TO fix your refrigerator to Medical and Legal advice is awesome. Even the ones that rock the boat here are OK because they make you "think" at the issue at hand.

DrFrige
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:21:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:27:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr:

Originally Posted By codycoyote:
Well said Ed. As you already know from past threads, many people here are willing to stand up for this site, and for you and your family. While I know some will say you don't need anyone to stand up for you or yours, just know that most of us here are behing you, Goatboy, and the rest of the staff and mods.


If we did not think most of the members in the site were not on the same team,we would lock up and go home.

I cannot stand alone.Nobody can.We all need each other to protect our rights,our families,our country.

I learned from a young age that :"No man is an island" .........even though I wasn't sure then what it meant!





again, well said.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:32:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:35:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr:
I just read,the now locked thread, on the goals for the site.A topic that turned to a brawl in little time.

The mods here, do a great job of making sure the site remains a place where gun owners of all types,genders,nationalities,races,ages,etc can come to learn and teach about firearms,ammo,ballistics,etc. as well as to buy,sell and swap equipment/guns.
To do so,we need some kind of order.Otherwise,we will be another "Tower of Babbel"

I believe the goal of the forums,other than general Discussion (GD) is pretty clear.
If you want/need a goal for the site,you can easily extract it from the above description of what the mods do here.I hate the beaurocratic crap of "Mission Statements" and other non-sensical BS that I deal with everyday.

I wish the goal and mission of GD were as simple to explain.

As an aside,I should state that it is not infrequently asked in the staff/mods forum, why we even have a GD,seeing that most of our problems stem from topics in Gneral Dscussion !
it seems that GD stands for General Dissorder when some in the crowd get restless and turn into forum agitators.
It seems that these people, want answers to questions that are probably irrelevant to their posting.
Like asking on a gun board why they can't post pictures of nude women/men or ask how to convert an AR15 into an M16 without the trouble of going through legal channels.
The fact is that when you join this and any other board you agree to abide by the rules..........regardless of whether you understand the reasoning behind the rules, or not.

in this particular instance we have a rule (not mine,but i respect it) that says "no nudity" briefly referred to as "no nip,no lip".THAT IS THE RULE.
And regardless of the rule being there because we are puritans or members of a religious sect that forbids it...........THAT IS THE RULE!

Back to why we have a GD.
Because,despite the fact that we primarily talk about guns on this board,the GD offers a lot of us the opportunity to ask how to fix noisy brakes in our car,get opinion on marital issues,or ask what people like to drink or eat........thus the populararity of the "dinner threads".

It is not the goal,mission or desire of the administration of this site to have porn or nudity,and so if you want to look at nudes in art:GO TO A MUSEUM! And if you want to look at porn: GO TO ONE OF THE NUMEROUS PORN SITES ON THE NET!

Obviously -or perhaps not so obviously- we are not offended by nudity in art or in real life.But we happen to believe that the board needs rules, and if we make "ART" an exception to the NO nudity/porn rule,then we will be arguing why YOUR PICTURE is not considered art.Similarly,sex is great. But the board is not the place to discuss what you did to whom, and then to show pictures of it! You know,the provervial "stuff her in the pooper and post pictures" kind of thing.

Guys,rules are rules and you don't always have to know why they are in place.All we ask is that you follow OUR RULES.But if you don't, the mods/staff are here to make sure they ARE followed.

I hope this answered some of your questions on why some topics get locked.





What a load of



hehehe...just kidding.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:36:45 PM EST
Wooo... for a second there I thought we might be losin the GD... then we'd all have to be intelligent and... stuff.


- BG



----> Ed
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:38:04 PM EST
This site has helped me hang onto what sanity I have left, provides a social outlet when I am in no shape to go out, and has introduced me to some of the best people I know.

It is hard for responsible men to under stand why some folks just want anarchy. There are sites devoted to such, we know where to find them and if that is what you want, go there.

As it is, Lil Ops is free to surf when he chooses and I don't have to be overly worried about what he sees here.

Ed, thank you, GB, Edward, and the rest of your family for putting up with our muddy feet, boisterous attitude, and the occassionally ungentlemanly conduct. Ops
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:42:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:45:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:49:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
OK Now we know where Balzac is... Where did "Big Bear" go? or was it "Bear?"... all I remember was his avatar of a big burly bear walking.

On another note. We have lost members here to 'locked' accounts and then kno one knows where they went. I have seen people asking where did ________go? Do you think that it is a good idea to point out who's acct was locked and why?

DrFrige



how many times?

the fact is that there have been several threads where this has been "splained" Lucy.

I hate to say this,but it shows tha:

<­BR>



You are NOT spending enough time in the site!



Uh OH!!! BUSTED!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:51:03 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:52:28 PM EST
Ok, no nudity because we dont want to agrue abot what is art and what isnt. i'll buy that.

But ive seen a lot of BOTD pictures here that dont show nipples but where the girl is nude and it is clearly porn. The kind of stuff "Winston Wolf" like to post come to mind. (nothing personal Winston Wolf)

on the other hand i find thread like "girls of the IDF" to be fun and with in the guide lines that Ed sr. has laid down. Almost every one was carring a rifle, so it fits the overall theme of the site too.

it still seems to me that the mod should have some descretion in enforcing the rules if Ed Sr wants the site to be as he described.

Ben, The_Emu
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:54:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:57:19 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:58:48 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 6:58:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Emu:
Ok, no nudity because we dont want to agrue abot what is art and what isnt. i'll buy that.

But ive seen a lot of BOTD pictures here that dont show nipples but where the girl is nude and it is clearly porn. The kind of stuff "Winston Wolf" like to post come to mind. (nothing personal Winston Wolf)

on the other hand i find thread like "girls of the IDF" to be fun and with in the guide lines that Ed sr. has laid down. Almost every one was carring a rifle, so it fits the overall theme of the site too.

it still seems to me that the mod should have some descretion in enforcing the rules if Ed Sr wants the site to be as he described.

Ben, The_Emu



Are you speaking of the animation? He deleted that.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:14:35 PM EST
WOW! my grammer and spelling was bad on that last post. I should have proof read.

Maybe it was "WolfPack" i was thinking of. Anyway, stuff like the very first pic in this tread.
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=256519&page=1
Thats Porn, i know, ive looked at a lot of it...

Ben, The_Emu
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:19:18 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:20:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:24:29 PM EST
Thats not porn! I dont see midgets or donkeys anywhere in that thread!
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:34:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2004 7:35:54 PM EST by The_Emu]

Originally Posted By CockedandLocked:

Originally Posted By The_Emu:
WOW! my grammer and spelling was bad on that last post. I should have proof read.

Maybe it was "WolfPack" i was thinking of. Anyway, stuff like the very first pic in this tread.
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=256519&page=1
Thats Porn, i know, ive looked at a lot of it...

Ben, The_Emu



If you consider THAT porn , you lead a very sheltered life. Would wearing a thong bikini make you happier ? Oh thats right ... the pic would be the same. Which means you think women wearing a thong bikini and walking across the beach is pornographic

Give me a break




Sheltered life, no not really. I've been to nude beaches and no one poses like that.

That pic is soft core yes, but that is porn none the less. And let me be clear, i dont any problem with porn. But this discussion is about what is apropriate for this site. Not what makes me"happy"

Ben, The Emu
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:34:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/3/2004 7:34:44 PM EST by codycoyote]

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Thats not porn! I dont see midgets or donkeys anywhere in that thread!



Midget porn is the funniest sh*t!!!

Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:42:49 PM EST
You know, I may not like that certain rules must exist and be enforced, but one thing that pisses me off is how some people forget one simple thing:

This is a privately owned site. Sure, some people pay to be members, but they are not shareholders or on a board of directors and thus no one but the owners make policy.

If the owners want to have rules and enforce them, too damn bad for anyone that doesn't like them. I have never believed the rules to be overzealous or outrageous. Furthermore, it seems many people forget that this site has corporate sponsors and those sponsors are companies that employ people and must make a profit to continue to remain in business. If this site is seen as a ranting raving home of extremists then those companies will pull their sponsorships and the site will suffer (as will the companies for that matter).

I have kept quiet about this for the couple weeks that all this controversy has been festering, but it baffles me that something so simple escapes so many. No one is saying you can't think or believe what you want to, just restrain and control your emotions. Frankly I have failed to do this a few times and I regret that. However, I haven't moaned and groaned when rules have been enforced.

The Avilas are great people, and while I don't know any of them personally, they have all gone out of their way for me even when I did NOT deserve it. Their polite requests are more than reasonable and I hope people understand that they make a lot of sacrifices to keep this place running - they don't need more headaches from people who think this is their private home and that what they say will have no consequences against them or OTHERS.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:46:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By codycoyote:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Thats not porn! I dont see midgets or donkeys anywhere in that thread!



Midget porn is the funniest sh*t!!!




A guy I knew back in high School pulled up midget porn on a teachers computer and left it there. Thankfully, the teacher saw it before anyone else and closed the windows.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:49:24 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 7:56:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By CockedandLocked:

Originally Posted By DrFrige:
OK Now we know where Balzac is... Where did "Big Bear" go? or was it "Bear?"... all I remember was his avatar of a big burly bear walking.




DrFrige



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does this answer your question ?



C&L ... THANKS!!!! gonna run a search.
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 8:11:48 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 8:16:10 PM EST
What a relief! I thought my picture was deleted because I can't draw worth a shit!
Link Posted: 10/3/2004 8:35:00 PM EST
Well, I’ve seen this before - no doubt I’ll see it again.

Ed, your patience far, far exceeds my own.

Many thanks to both you and the much-abused moderators for trying to keep the site on an even keel!!

And please don’t give in to any of the whiners!
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 2:00:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By EdAvilaSr:
Lou,

I am not entirely sure we can get in trouble for illegal things being discussed/advocated on the site.Even if those who would indite us were wrong in doing it,we would still need to spend a ton of $$ defending ourselves and the site, from going to jail or closing operations.We would rather use the money for other things and not risk the site being shut down.

The racial thing is a different matter.Because, even if we were assured it would not get us in legal trouble, we have strong moral convictions that would not allow us to stand by while someone else is being "raked over the coals" for the mere reason of their race,gender,etc.



Fair enough! That's exactly what I figured!

Rock on, dude! I love it here!
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 2:06:13 AM EST
tag
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 2:08:51 AM EST
Well Im on 90%+ of my time at work, porn will get me in deep trouble, I appericate people not posting it. If your going to post anything "borderline" atleast put a BOTD warning in the title
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 2:09:20 AM EST
Ed, shouldn't you be out shooting that M14 my (non-sabbath-observing) NY folks gave you? What the HELL are you doing by the computer?
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 2:21:26 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 2:27:23 AM EST
Excellent, sir.

If I need titty, I go see the wife.

Keep doin' what yer doin'.

Link Posted: 10/4/2004 3:00:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Emu:

Originally Posted By CockedandLocked:

Originally Posted By The_Emu:
WOW! my grammer and spelling was bad on that last post. I should have proof read.

Maybe it was "WolfPack" i was thinking of. Anyway, stuff like the very first pic in this tread.
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=256519&page=1
Thats Porn, i know, ive looked at a lot of it...

Ben, The_Emu



If you consider THAT porn , you lead a very sheltered life. Would wearing a thong bikini make you happier ? Oh thats right ... the pic would be the same. Which means you think women wearing a thong bikini and walking across the beach is pornographic

Give me a break




Sheltered life, no not really. I've been to nude beaches and no one poses like that.

That pic is soft core yes, but that is porn none the less. And let me be clear, i dont any problem with porn. But this discussion is about what is apropriate for this site. Not what makes me"happy"

Ben, The Emu



So you're saying that the pose makes it porn?

So if someone posted a girl wearing full length jeans and a wool sweater, but she POSED like that, it would be porn to you?
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 3:33:32 AM EST
Seems pretty clear to me. Lots of porn out there, I don't see the big deal if we can't post here. That is why you can open more than one browser window.
Link Posted: 10/4/2004 3:44:55 AM EST
Does this mean I can post my Boner Baby anatomically correct stuffed animals again?

Sgatr15
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