Question on shipping a gun - No this one is different

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Posted: 4/17/2017 2:29:36 AM EDT

You went on a hunting trip with someone in another state when you both lived in that state and borrowed on of their rifles to hunt. You both move to two different states. Some how it ended up in your possession and you find it after you move. What is the easiest, cheapest and most legal way to get their rifle back to them? Throwing it in the car and driving it back is impossible.

Posted: 4/17/2017 2:30:40 AM EDT

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You went on a hunting trip with someone in another state when you both lived in that state and borrowed on of their rifles to hunt. You both move to two different states. Some how it ended up in your possession and you find it after you move. What is the easiest, cheapest and most legal way to get their rifle back to them? Throwing it in the car and driving it back is impossible.

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Shipping it to his FFL. Still would be an interstate transfer of a firearm, as you currently posess it. Cheapest method would be to package it up and ship via USPS or for less hassle and probably the same cost, pay a local FFL to do it for you.

Shipping to his house would be a felony. Gotta do the FFL dance, sorry dude.

Posted: 4/17/2017 2:34:03 AM EDT

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FFL

unless its a C&R eligible rifle, and he has an 03.

Posted: 4/17/2017 2:34:12 AM EDT

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You went on a hunting trip with someone in another state when you both lived in that state and borrowed on of their rifles to hunt. You both move to two different states. Some how it ended up in your possession and you find it after you move. What is the easiest, cheapest and most legal way to get their rifle back to them? Throwing it in the car and driving it back is impossible.

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If they don't need it back quickly and they're ever going to come visit you, you could hold it for them and let them ship it home when they're there.

Posted: 4/17/2017 2:35:44 AM EDT

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sonds like you need it offer to buy it from him transferring money is way easier

Posted: 4/17/2017 2:35:44 AM EDT

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Shipping it to his FFL. Still would be an interstate transfer of a firearm, as you currently posess it. Cheapest method would be to package it up and ship via USPS or for less hassle and probably the same cost, pay a local FFL to do it for you.

Shipping to his house would be a felony. Gotta do the FFL dance, sorry dude.

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You went on a hunting trip with someone in another state when you both lived in that state and borrowed on of their rifles to hunt. You both move to two different states. Some how it ended up in your possession and you find it after you move. What is the easiest, cheapest and most legal way to get their rifle back to them? Throwing it in the car and driving it back is impossible.

Shipping it to his FFL. Still would be an interstate transfer of a firearm, as you currently posess it. Cheapest method would be to package it up and ship via USPS or for less hassle and probably the same cost, pay a local FFL to do it for you.

Shipping to his house would be a felony. Gotta do the FFL dance, sorry dude.

I disagree completely.

Since he explicitly stated that he BORROWED the rifle, no change in ownership has taken place, and it still belongs to his friend. As such, it can be mailed directly to his friend, with no need for an FFL. The FFL is only necessary if a change in ownership is occurring, which it is not in this case.

(The only wrinkle is that some states DO consider a loan to be a change in ownership, and requiring a FFL transfer - but if he is not in such a state, then there is no need for a FFL to be involved at all).

Posted: 4/17/2017 2:43:07 AM EDT

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I disagree completely.

Since he explicitly stated that he BORROWED the rifle, no change in ownership has taken place, and it still belongs to his friend. As such, it can be mailed directly to his friend, with no need for an FFL. The FFL is only necessary if a change in ownership is occurring, which it is not in this case.

(The only wrinkle is that some states DO consider a loan to be a change in ownership, and requiring a FFL transfer - but if he is not in such a state, then there is no need for a FFL to be involved at all).

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Nope.
Nerp
And Hurr Depr.

OP doesnt include enough details to make an informed decision.

What state to what state?
And how long has OP had said rifle?

Ownership is a buzzword.......transfer....

Posted: 4/17/2017 2:49:19 AM EDT

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There's no state laws involved in either state.

Posted: 4/17/2017 2:54:13 AM EDT

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Easier to just throw it away.

In NY it is definitely the easiest way. :(

Posted: 4/17/2017 2:58:35 AM EDT

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I disagree completely.

Since he explicitly stated that he BORROWED the rifle, no change in ownership has taken place, and it still belongs to his friend. As such, it can be mailed directly to his friend, with no need for an FFL. The FFL is only necessary if a change in ownership is occurring, which it is not in this case.

(The only wrinkle is that some states DO consider a loan to be a change in ownership, and requiring a FFL transfer - but if he is not in such a state, then there is no need for a FFL to be involved at all).

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That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.
Also keep it mind, if he got caught it might be hard to proof he didn't own the gun.

Posted: 4/17/2017 3:37:08 AM EDT

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That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.
Also keep it mind, if he got caught it might be hard to proof he didn't own the gun.

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I disagree completely.

Since he explicitly stated that he BORROWED the rifle, no change in ownership has taken place, and it still belongs to his friend. As such, it can be mailed directly to his friend, with no need for an FFL. The FFL is only necessary if a change in ownership is occurring, which it is not in this case.

(The only wrinkle is that some states DO consider a loan to be a change in ownership, and requiring a FFL transfer - but if he is not in such a state, then there is no need for a FFL to be involved at all).

That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.
Also keep it mind, if he got caught it might be hard to proof he didn't own the gun.

Not as hard as you might think.

Posted: 4/17/2017 3:37:53 AM EDT

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Should I write a letter to the ATF?

Posted: 4/17/2017 3:47:04 AM EDT

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As long as everything is on the up and up, just have a local FFL ship it to an FFL in his location, I just did this last week for my daughter who wanted to borrow one of my guns, which I am going to give her anyway, as an FFL, I just shipped to her FFL which I am friends with and she got it on Friday, ran a 4473 and walked out the door in about 10 minutes.

Posted: 4/17/2017 3:47:27 AM EDT

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That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.
Also keep it mind, if he got caught it might be hard to proof he didn't own the gun.

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since when?
last I knew, the law was that if can be shipped to someone who owns and has already had initial possession of it.

how do you think you can get your gun back directly to your door from the factory after repair...

Posted: 4/17/2017 3:56:14 AM EDT

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since when?
last I knew, the law was that if can be shipped to someone who owns and has already had initial possession of it.

how do you think you can get your gun back directly to your door from the factory after repair...

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I remember when we used to be able to sell guns on ebay and ship them direct to the buyer to...but normally in this type of situation, it is best to ship between FFL's

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:11:28 AM EDT

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Put it a box and ship it to him. Same way people ship and receive guns to and from gunsmiths around the country.

Posted: 4/17/2017 7:01:46 AM EDT

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Strip it down to the bare receiver, ship him all the parts but the receiver along with enough cash to buy a new receiver, sell the receiver locally to recoup some of the cost.

Posted: 4/17/2017 7:23:40 AM EDT

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I remember when we used to be able to sell guns on ebay and ship them direct to the buyer to...but normally in this type of situation, it is best to ship between FFL's

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WUT??????????????

Posted: 4/17/2017 7:47:45 AM EDT

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Put it a box and ship it to him. Same way people ship and receive guns to and from gunsmiths around the country.

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^ this. It's not against any federal laws. I don't know about your state, however.

Posted: 4/17/2017 7:49:26 AM EDT

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I remember when we used to be able to sell guns on ebay and ship them direct to the buyer to...but normally in this type of situation, it is best to ship between FFL's

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I remember when Ebay allowed firearms. And I was too chicken to buy them on Ebay.

Posted: 4/17/2017 8:07:31 AM EDT

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You went on a hunting trip with someone in another state when you both lived in that state and borrowed on of their rifles to hunt. You both move to two different states. Some how it ended up in your possession and you find it after you move. What is the easiest, cheapest and most legal way to get their rifle back to them? Throwing it in the car and driving it back is impossible.

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Put in a box and ship it back. It is his rifle, you are returning it.

Posted: 4/17/2017 8:15:32 AM EDT

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Put it a box and ship it to him. Same way people ship and receive guns to and from gunsmiths around the country.

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There's no gunsmith involved in OP's scenario. It is an interstate transfer of a firearm and must go through an FFL.

Posted: 4/17/2017 10:00:45 AM EDT

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WUT??????????????

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I remember when we used to be able to sell guns on ebay and ship them direct to the buyer to...but normally in this type of situation, it is best to ship between FFL's

WUT??????????????

Must have been that pre-1968 E-bay.

Posted: 4/17/2017 11:19:46 AM EDT

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That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.

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I disagree completely.

Since he explicitly stated that he BORROWED the rifle, no change in ownership has taken place, and it still belongs to his friend. As such, it can be mailed directly to his friend, with no need for an FFL. The FFL is only necessary if a change in ownership is occurring, which it is not in this case.

(The only wrinkle is that some states DO consider a loan to be a change in ownership, and requiring a FFL transfer - but if he is not in such a state, then there is no need for a FFL to be involved at all).

That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

There are numerous instances in which it is perfectly legal to ship a long gun across state lines without a FFL. I can think of three right off the top of my head.

If you are not aware of those, perhaps you should not make sweeping statements about the law.

Posted: 4/17/2017 11:25:06 AM EDT

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Nope.
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And Hurr Depr.

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I disagree completely.

Since he explicitly stated that he BORROWED the rifle, no change in ownership has taken place, and it still belongs to his friend. As such, it can be mailed directly to his friend, with no need for an FFL. The FFL is only necessary if a change in ownership is occurring, which it is not in this case.

(The only wrinkle is that some states DO consider a loan to be a change in ownership, and requiring a FFL transfer - but if he is not in such a state, then there is no need for a FFL to be involved at all).

Nope.
Nerp
And Hurr Depr.

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. Perhaps instead of posting childish insults, you could point out where I am incorrect?

Federal law allows for firearms to be shipped across state lines directly to individuals that own them. This applies to firearms that are shipped cross state lines for purposes like hunting or competition, as well as situations in which firearms are being returned to an owner following repair, refinishing, etc.

Thus, it is very possible to ship a modern firearm to an individual without involving a FFL, and what the OP describes might be one of those cases.

Posted: 4/17/2017 11:58:24 AM EDT

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. Perhaps instead of posting childish insults, you could point out where I am incorrect?

Federal law allows for firearms to be shipped across state lines directly to individuals that own them. This applies to firearms that are shipped cross state lines for purposes like hunting or competition, as well as situations in which firearms are being returned to an owner following repair, refinishing, etc.

Thus, it is very possible to ship a modern firearm to an individual without involving a FFL, and what the OP describes might be one of those cases.

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No state laws disallowing this, then just ship it, no change of ownership. Just like a gunsmith returning a gun to its' owner.

These threads always bring out the f*tard lawyers.

Posted: 4/17/2017 12:03:27 PM EDT

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No state laws disallowing this, then just ship it, no change of ownership. Just like a gunsmith returning a gun to its' owner.

These threads always bring out the f*tard lawyers.

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. Perhaps instead of posting childish insults, you could point out where I am incorrect?

Federal law allows for firearms to be shipped across state lines directly to individuals that own them. This applies to firearms that are shipped cross state lines for purposes like hunting or competition, as well as situations in which firearms are being returned to an owner following repair, refinishing, etc.

Thus, it is very possible to ship a modern firearm to an individual without involving a FFL, and what the OP describes might be one of those cases.

No state laws disallowing this, then just ship it, no change of ownership. Just like a gunsmith returning a gun to its' owner.

These threads always bring out the f*tard lawyers.

That's kind of what I thought, but I wanted other opinions. And no, no state laws on either end.

Posted: 4/17/2017 12:05:00 PM EDT

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Honestly, the closest analogy is having your hunting rifles shipped intrastate to a hunting lodge prior to arrival, and shipped back after. No FFL because no transfer taking place.

It's a bit of a stretch, and could conceivably be argued to the contrary by a court if an ATF agent really felt froggy, but in theory that's basically what the OP is describing.

Now, finding the carrier who will ship to a non-FFL might be tough....and there's still state law to consider...

Posted: 4/17/2017 12:08:07 PM EDT

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Ship it directly to them

Posted: 4/17/2017 12:20:41 PM EDT

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Is it illegal to put his name as the sender?

Posted: 4/17/2017 12:24:00 PM EDT

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Must have been that pre-1968 E-bay.

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I remember when we used to be able to sell guns on ebay and ship them direct to the buyer to...but normally in this type of situation, it is best to ship between FFL's

WUT??????????????

Must have been that pre-1968 E-bay.

Mail your bid in on an 80 column punch card.......

Posted: 4/17/2017 12:29:38 PM EDT

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That is perfectly legal to do that since the receiver is the owner except a lot of carriers and even individual stores have different views (cough) on what is legal. I just went through this crap with a UPS outlet store. Not fun. FFL to FFL is the safest but most expensive way.

Posted: 4/17/2017 12:32:34 PM EDT

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That is perfectly legal to do that since the receiver is the owner except a lot of carriers and even individual stores have different views (cough) on what is legal. I just went through this crap with a UPS outlet store. Not fun. FFL to FFL is the safest but most expensive way.

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Ship it directly to them

That is perfectly legal to do that since the receiver is the owner except a lot of carriers and even individual stores have different views (cough) on what is legal. I just went through this crap with a UPS outlet store. Not fun. FFL to FFL is the safest but most expensive way.

Mail Boxes Etc. (rebranded as UPS stores) have a company policy against shipping firearms, but UPS corporate does not (unless they've recently changed it). To ship firearms with UPS, you can either go to their local hub, or just pre-print a label and have the driver pick it up, or drop it at a UPS store.

Posted: 4/17/2017 12:36:25 PM EDT

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I've never seen a UPS or FedEx outlet that would ship a firearm, even if it was going to an FFL. I've always had to go to a hub.

Posted: 4/17/2017 1:32:38 PM EDT

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Mail Boxes Etc. (rebranded as UPS stores) have a company policy against shipping firearms, but UPS corporate does not (unless they've recently changed it). To ship firearms with UPS, you can either go to their local hub, or just pre-print a label and have the driver pick it up, or drop it at a UPS store.

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Ship it directly to them

That is perfectly legal to do that since the receiver is the owner except a lot of carriers and even individual stores have different views (cough) on what is legal. I just went through this crap with a UPS outlet store. Not fun. FFL to FFL is the safest but most expensive way.

Mail Boxes Etc. (rebranded as UPS stores) have a company policy against shipping firearms, but UPS corporate does not (unless they've recently changed it). To ship firearms with UPS, you can either go to their local hub, or just pre-print a label and have the driver pick it up, or drop it at a UPS store.

Per federal law, you have to declare you are shipping a firearm via private carrier. They won't touch it with a 50' stick. Hell, even with my shop FFL in hand, they'd give me shit sometimes.

Posted: 4/17/2017 4:56:26 PM EDT

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Screw UPS and FedEx. I've had no problem at all shipping rifles via US Mail. I've heard that some postal clerks can be dickheads about it, but I've never run across any problems at all.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:13:47 PM EDT

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I disagree completely.

Since he explicitly stated that he BORROWED the rifle, no change in ownership has taken place, and it still belongs to his friend. As such, it can be mailed directly to his friend, with no need for an FFL. The FFL is only necessary if a change in ownership is occurring, which it is not in this case.

(The only wrinkle is that some states DO consider a loan to be a change in ownership, and requiring a FFL transfer - but if he is not in such a state, then there is no need for a FFL to be involved at all).

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You went on a hunting trip with someone in another state when you both lived in that state and borrowed on of their rifles to hunt. You both move to two different states. Some how it ended up in your possession and you find it after you move. What is the easiest, cheapest and most legal way to get their rifle back to them? Throwing it in the car and driving it back is impossible.

Shipping it to his FFL. Still would be an interstate transfer of a firearm, as you currently posess it. Cheapest method would be to package it up and ship via USPS or for less hassle and probably the same cost, pay a local FFL to do it for you.

Shipping to his house would be a felony. Gotta do the FFL dance, sorry dude.

I disagree completely.

Since he explicitly stated that he BORROWED the rifle, no change in ownership has taken place, and it still belongs to his friend. As such, it can be mailed directly to his friend, with no need for an FFL. The FFL is only necessary if a change in ownership is occurring, which it is not in this case.

(The only wrinkle is that some states DO consider a loan to be a change in ownership, and requiring a FFL transfer - but if he is not in such a state, then there is no need for a FFL to be involved at all).

Nope.

Has to be shipped to an FFL in the owner's state. Or driven back.

And if OP takes possession it has to go through an FFL in his state.

Borrowing is transfer of control.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:17:42 PM EDT

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since when?
last I knew, the law was that if can be shipped to someone who owns and has already had initial possession of it.

how do you think you can get your gun back directly to your door from the factory after repair...

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That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.
Also keep it mind, if he got caught it might be hard to proof he didn't own the gun.

since when?
last I knew, the law was that if can be shipped to someone who owns and has already had initial possession of it.

how do you think you can get your gun back directly to your door from the factory after repair...

1. You can ship a firearm you own for repair and it can be shipped back to you. You. Not someone else.

2. You could never sell guns on e-Bay and have them sent directly to the buyer (interstate). It's been the law since 1968 (amended 1986) and e-Bay wasn't around before that.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:21:09 PM EDT

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That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.
Also keep it mind, if he got caught it might be hard to proof he didn't own the gun.

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That is false. At least here in texas i can (and have several times) send a gun to a gunsmith out of state and it is returned directly to me. Also, ive been known to mail a gun to myself when traveling out of state if its easier than carrying it on a plane.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:21:21 PM EDT

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Sorry, but you are wrong.

There are numerous instances in which it is perfectly legal to ship a long gun across state lines without a FFL. I can think of three right off the top of my head.

If you are not aware of those, perhaps you should not make sweeping statements about the law.

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I disagree completely.

Since he explicitly stated that he BORROWED the rifle, no change in ownership has taken place, and it still belongs to his friend. As such, it can be mailed directly to his friend, with no need for an FFL. The FFL is only necessary if a change in ownership is occurring, which it is not in this case.

(The only wrinkle is that some states DO consider a loan to be a change in ownership, and requiring a FFL transfer - but if he is not in such a state, then there is no need for a FFL to be involved at all).

That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

There are numerous instances in which it is perfectly legal to ship a long gun across state lines without a FFL. I can think of three right off the top of my head.

If you are not aware of those, perhaps you should not make sweeping statements about the law.

Sorry, Professor. I've shipped more rifles than any non-FFL on this site and you're incorrect. To yourself? Yes. For repair? Yes. To some one else (non-FFL)? No.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:21:54 PM EDT

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since when?
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This is still the case......

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:23:51 PM EDT

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Honestly, the closest analogy is having your hunting rifles shipped intrastate to a hunting lodge prior to arrival, and shipped back after. No FFL because no transfer taking place.

It's a bit of a stretch, and could conceivably be argued to the contrary by a court if an ATF agent really felt froggy, but in theory that's basically what the OP is describing.

Now, finding the carrier who will ship to a non-FFL might be tough....and there's still state law to consider...

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Is the owner shipping it to himself?

No.

I shipped a rifle to myself in Arizona. When General Dynamics shipped it back they shipped it to my FFL.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:24:29 PM EDT

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You can ship a firearm to yourself, didn't you say you will be visiting the buddy for some hunting?

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:24:39 PM EDT

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That's kind of what I thought, but I wanted other opinions. And no, no state laws on either end.

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. Perhaps instead of posting childish insults, you could point out where I am incorrect?

Federal law allows for firearms to be shipped across state lines directly to individuals that own them. This applies to firearms that are shipped cross state lines for purposes like hunting or competition, as well as situations in which firearms are being returned to an owner following repair, refinishing, etc.

Thus, it is very possible to ship a modern firearm to an individual without involving a FFL, and what the OP describes might be one of those cases.

No state laws disallowing this, then just ship it, no change of ownership. Just like a gunsmith returning a gun to its' owner.

These threads always bring out the f*tard lawyers.

That's kind of what I thought, but I wanted other opinions. And no, no state laws on either end.

If you are really worried about it have your friend buy the postage (ups or fedex) and email you the label so it is him mailing itself to himself. Ive heard of people doing that as well. Or you could mail the gun to yourself at his address to use when you make your next trip up there.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:25:50 PM EDT

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That is false. At least here in texas i can (and have several times) send a gun to a gunsmith out of state and it is returned directly to me. Also, ive been known to mail a gun to myself when traveling out of state if its easier than carrying it on a plane.

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That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.
Also keep it mind, if he got caught it might be hard to proof he didn't own the gun.

That is false. At least here in texas i can (and have several times) send a gun to a gunsmith out of state and it is returned directly to me. Also, ive been known to mail a gun to myself when traveling out of state if its easier than carrying it on a plane.

Both are legal. Neither applies here.

OP does not own the rifle. He is not shipping it to a gunsmith for repair or to himself.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:26:01 PM EDT

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Honestly, the closest analogy is having your hunting rifles shipped intrastate to a hunting lodge prior to arrival, and shipped back after. No FFL because no transfer taking place.

It's a bit of a stretch, and could conceivably be argued to the contrary by a court if an ATF agent really felt froggy, but in theory that's basically what the OP is describing.

Now, finding the carrier who will ship to a non-FFL might be tough....and there's still state law to consider...

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All you are required to do is notify the carrier.... my experience is that none of the ups pick up guys will ask any further questions after you tell them whats in it. The ups drop off hub def will though.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:26:11 PM EDT

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That is false. At least here in texas i can (and have several times) send a gun to a gunsmith out of state and it is returned directly to me. Also, ive been known to mail a gun to myself when traveling out of state if its easier than carrying it on a plane.

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That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.
Also keep it mind, if he got caught it might be hard to proof he didn't own the gun.

That is false. At least here in texas i can (and have several times) send a gun to a gunsmith out of state and it is returned directly to me. Also, ive been known to mail a gun to myself when traveling out of state if its easier than carrying it on a plane.

A gunsmith is a FFL holder, so they can do that for the purposes of repairs. It's a reg set specifically given to smiths and manufacturers for repairs. Say a firearm was replaced as defective, then you'd have to do a new 4473. They can't send it direct to you.

You can also mail a long gun from yourself, to yourself for sporting purposes. S

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:27:34 PM EDT

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Mail Boxes Etc. (rebranded as UPS stores) have a company policy against shipping firearms, but UPS corporate does not (unless they've recently changed it). To ship firearms with UPS, you can either go to their local hub, or just pre-print a label and have the driver pick it up, or drop it at a UPS store.

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Ship it directly to them

That is perfectly legal to do that since the receiver is the owner except a lot of carriers and even individual stores have different views (cough) on what is legal. I just went through this crap with a UPS outlet store. Not fun. FFL to FFL is the safest but most expensive way.

Mail Boxes Etc. (rebranded as UPS stores) have a company policy against shipping firearms, but UPS corporate does not (unless they've recently changed it). To ship firearms with UPS, you can either go to their local hub, or just pre-print a label and have the driver pick it up, or drop it at a UPS store.

UPS only accepts guns at hubs, corp owned stores, or from a driver pick up. They wont (or arent supposed to) accept them at franchise stores or non corp owned locations.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:30:15 PM EDT

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Sorry, Professor. I've shipped more rifles than any non-FFL on this site and you're incorrect. To yourself? Yes. For repair? Yes. To some one else (non-FFL)? No.

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I disagree completely.

Since he explicitly stated that he BORROWED the rifle, no change in ownership has taken place, and it still belongs to his friend. As such, it can be mailed directly to his friend, with no need for an FFL. The FFL is only necessary if a change in ownership is occurring, which it is not in this case.

(The only wrinkle is that some states DO consider a loan to be a change in ownership, and requiring a FFL transfer - but if he is not in such a state, then there is no need for a FFL to be involved at all).

That is not correct.
Yes it still belongs to his friend, but you cannot ship a firearm out of state to a non ffl. It doesn't matter who owns it.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

There are numerous instances in which it is perfectly legal to ship a long gun across state lines without a FFL. I can think of three right off the top of my head.

If you are not aware of those, perhaps you should not make sweeping statements about the law.

Sorry, Professor. I've shipped more rifles than any non-FFL on this site and you're incorrect. To yourself? Yes. For repair? Yes. To some one else (non-FFL)? No.

Prof is correct. Look it up if you don't believe it.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:32:36 PM EDT

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All you are required to do is notify the carrier.... my experience is that none of the ups pick up guys will ask any further questions after you tell them whats in it. The ups drop off hub def will though.

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There's no legal requirement to notify the carrier that you're shipping a firearm.

Posted: 4/17/2017 5:35:47 PM EDT

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