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Posted: 8/14/2011 3:52:37 PM EDT
I finished watching Green Zone as it was on....Good suspense movie but you can tell where the politics are in the film. I gotta ask those of you who served in Iraq. How much of it does the media have wrong? Not just about one aspect but the whole thing?
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:01:09 PM EDT
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Well, what do you want to know about Iraq?



I can only speak for my small piece of the pie.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:03:11 PM EDT
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Well, what do you want to know about Iraq?



I can only speak for my small piece of the pie.


Well it does seem like hollywood is very one sided for example.



Whatever you wanna share I will listen.



 
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:12:47 PM EDT
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I finished watching Green Zone as it was on....Good suspense movie but you can tell where the politics are in the film. I gotta ask those of you who served in Iraq. How much of it does the media have wrong? Not just about one aspect but the whole thing?



When I was deployed to the middle east, I watched CNN international to see where the bombs and missiles were landing, no kidding. That was in 90-91 though. IMO, unless you are a high ranking officer in theater, you are only going to see part of the picture anyway, and the part you see may not be significant.

The media is going to focus on what gets them a good story, they are a business.

Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:16:50 PM EDT
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Keep in mind that 'My Iraq" is very different from the Iraq that most here know.



I've only really had interaction with the Iraqi Army/Iraqi Police.  On a personal level they aren't bad dudes...proud of their kids, proud of their stuff, etc.  Last night, I had 1 IP pull out a "certificate of completion" for a shooting course an SF unit did...back in 2008.  he'd been carrying it in his wallet for 3 years.



I had another dude point to my rifle and say his was just like it (I run an ACOG, grip-pod, magpul stock/grip, PEQ15).  I didn't believe him so he pulled out his cell phone and showed me pics of his rifle...It was nearly identical.  I met the only IA in Iraq with black rifle disease.  Next time I went to his area, I bought an extra P-mag for him.



That said, it IA/IP are under trained and under motivated to do their job well.  They are a "checkpoint centric" Army.  IE a few IEDs blow up on a portion of street they plop down an IA checkpoint and a few guards.



The higher up officers (BN command/staff and above) have been officers in one form or another of the Iraqi Army for longer than I've been alive.  It's fairly common for us to chat about the Iran Iraq war, Desert Storm, etc.  There is an Iraqi staff school that Majors and above can go to.  They get a red stripe on their rank for graduating...those guys are actually pretty squared away.  That said, I've also seen company commanders scream like girls while ju,ping up and down because we recocked his unit during a training exercise.  



For the most part they are fun to work with.  Aside from the whole Muslim thing not bad dudes.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:17:47 PM EDT
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I finished watching Green Zone as it was on....Good suspense movie but you can tell where the politics are in the film.<>


Jason Bourne goes to Iraq.



 
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:25:23 PM EDT
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Well, what do you want to know about Iraq?

I can only speak for my small piece of the pie.

Well it does seem like hollywood is very one sided for example.

Whatever you wanna share I will listen.
 


Fuck, screw Hollywood, Congress is very one-sided.  I had the pleasure of driving around Levin/Biden in '06 and the first 15 minutes of driving them, I scoffed and snorted about 30 times because of the things/ideas they were talking about of what THEY thought were important to Iraqis.  Finally, Levin asks me what I thought of Iraq and their ideas to which I said, "Sir, I can't give you my opinion because we've been instructed specifically not to do that type of thing from our chain of command."  He goes, "I'm asking you right now, no one else around, what you think?"  

Sooooooo...........I let her rip.....and keep in mind, in '06, Shi'ite-Sunni violence was an all-time high in Baghdad because the Coalition had put a ton of Shi'ites in charge of government services, including the police.  So, the Sunni's would bomb a Shi'ite marketplace or neighborhood, the Shi'ites would respond by sending in police death squads to Sunni neighborhoods and capture/kill the Sunnis as payback, then the Sunni's would retaliate with more bombs of Shi'ite places and it was a horribly vicious circle.  I said something to the effect of "no matter what you fucking do as far as getting them a job because if they can't get to work safely and securely, then it doesn't really fucking matter if they have a job or not.  You need to figure out a way to get the Sunnis/Shi'ites to coincide together and completely gutting the government of Sunnis because you are so fucking paranoid of them being Saddam loyalists and filling it with vengeful Shi'ites that now have positions of power over the Sunnis was completely and utterly fucking moronic."  
I went off for about 5 minutes on all the shit the CPA had done and the violence between the two sects and how that needed to be addressed before a stable Iraq could occur......at the end of it, Levin/Biden just went completely silent and sat there for a few minutes before resuming their conversations.

Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:30:01 PM EDT
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He goes, "I'm asking you right now, no one else around, what you think?"  








And he learned a valuable lesson that day...never corner an Enlisted guy and ask what he thinks...cause he'll tell you.





 
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:32:41 PM EDT
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All I have to say about that movie is that they fucking NAILED the scenery of Baghdad.





I was trying to figure out how they didn't do some of those shots on location. (maybe they did)





Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:32:50 PM EDT
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Just about the whole fucking thing. The only people that I am aware of ever getting it right was Michael Yon. Everyone got the story and twisted it in the direction they wanted. Fuck the media, embedding journalist is one of the worst ideas ever.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:32:53 PM EDT
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Quite different I guess. When I'd come home on leave there'd be footage of the same firefights while they talked about troop levels in excess of 100,000. I felt it created the perception that there were a lot more people locked into daily combat than really were (most folks don't appreciate the ratio of support to combat troops).

What you'll find in posing a question like this is most people had different experiences in Iraq. It's a big area, all of which had their ups and down at different times. It's akin to asking two folks what Texas is like - on who visited Houston in the summer, and the other who was in Midland in February. Over the course of my 4+ years there I traveled most of Iraq, and the difference between say, a large FOB in northern Iraq compared to a MiTT site in the Anbar Province were extreme, let alone say 2004 compared to 2010. You'll get a lot of different perspectives because of this, to the point that some soldiers will call bullshit on something that may have been a reality two years and two hundred miles away.

Given that, think about how accurate some reporter's "assessment" is going to be after spending two weeks on a single base.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:34:26 PM EDT
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All I have to say about that movie is that they fucking NAILED the scenery of Baghdad.

I was trying to figure out how they didn't do some of those shots on location.


That they did - their recreation of BIAP early in the war was pretty damned good.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:39:28 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:40:16 PM EDT
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He goes, "I'm asking you right now, no one else around, what you think?"  


And he learned a valuable lesson that day...never corner an Enlisted guy and ask what he thinks...cause he'll tell you.
 


Not gonna lie, I was a little worried for a few days afterwards, in case something had been said.  And I didn't cuss like I did in my post, I'm a little smarter than that but what I said in my post is what I wish I could have said.


eta:  should have seen what I said to my squad leader when we had the Hillary Clinton mission come up.  He asked if I wanted to be limo driver for her.  I did this: for about 5 minutes at him to which he asked if I was ok.  I said, "You don't want me to be the limo driver for her because while we're driving on Victory, I will lock the fucking doors and put us into a fucking canal while driving somewhere and drown everyone in the vehicle."

He started to laugh and quickly saw that I wasn't kidding and did one of those "psycho....." moments under his breath and said, "Well, haha, ok then, tyman isn't ever going to be limo driver again!"

Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:40:16 PM EDT
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All I have to say about that movie is that they fucking NAILED the scenery of Baghdad.



I was trying to figure out how they didn't do some of those shots on location.




That they did - their recreation of BIAP early in the war was pretty damned good.
That's the scene that blew my mind. I kept trying how to figure out how they didn't shoot the scene that took place on the tarmac actually at BIAP. I was sitting about a mile away from that spot when I was watching the movie.





 
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:41:34 PM EDT
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Really? That pool scene was legit? I spent my war in the other place so this Iraq stuff is intriguing to me...
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 4:49:52 PM EDT
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He goes, "I'm asking you right now, no one else around, what you think?"  


And he learned a valuable lesson that day...never corner an Enlisted guy and ask what he thinks...cause he'll tell you.
 



That reminds me of a conversation that I was having with a USMC Captain.  His job was to travel around the world doing inspections on the Marine contingents at embassies around the world.

He told me "Find the Lance Corporal, he'll tell you what's going on."

Link Posted: 8/14/2011 5:01:50 PM EDT
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He goes, "I'm asking you right now, no one else around, what you think?"  


And he learned a valuable lesson that day...never corner an Enlisted guy and ask what he thinks...cause he'll tell you.
 



That reminds me of a conversation that I was having with a USMC Captain.  His job was to travel around the world doing inspections on the Marine contingents at embassies around the world.

He told me "Find the Lance Corporal, he'll tell you what's going on."





In the Army, it's "find the E-4 Mafia, they'll tell you what's going."
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 5:04:31 PM EDT
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That said, it IA/IP are under trained and under motivated to do their job well.  They are a "checkpoint centric" Army.  IE a few IEDs blow up on a portion of street they plop down an IA checkpoint and a few guards.





Do they still shoot at exploded IEDs and mortar impacts?



We used to call it the Iraqi Death Blossom.





 
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 5:14:29 PM EDT
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I can't speak for Iraq, but for Afghanistan, about 90% they get wrong.

Virtually all of the media can be found in 3 place sin Afghanistan. Bagram, Kabul, or Kandahar. Not the regions, but the bases/cities either on the base or in well guarded compounds in Kabul.

They sit there and get the reports, retype it, and send it out. Unless it is an even that happens at one of those places (and that is less than 10% of the war), they may as well be sitting in Bumfuck Iowa retyping the reports, because the accuracy would be the same.

I always watch the news reports for stuff that happened in my old stomping ground of Paktika Province. But every time you see a news report of event in Afghanistan it starts Afghanistan-Kabul. But the event never happened in Kabul., that is just where the jackass reporter filed his report made of info he read and parroted.


thats because Gamberi and Shank as well as other FOBs are pretty remote and small.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 5:14:31 PM EDT
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That said, it IA/IP are under trained and under motivated to do their job well.  They are a "checkpoint centric" Army.  IE a few IEDs blow up on a portion of street they plop down an IA checkpoint and a few guards.
Do they still shoot at exploded IEDs and mortar impacts?





We used to call it the Iraqi Death Blossom.





 



Based on the battalions I trained, I'd be impressed if they could actually get their weapons to work.  Can't trust Joe with cleaning kits or CLP after all.  





I thought of a really funny quip, but it's kinda opsec-ish violating...I have to reserve the chuckle for myself.





 
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 5:15:59 PM EDT
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Iraq is really hot, and there are parts that look like the jungle.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 7:16:45 PM EDT
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Really? That pool scene was legit? I spent my war in the other place so this Iraq stuff is intriguing to me...


Yes. Spent three days in the Green Zone on an escort mission (Detainee Ops yeah!). Once the hospital there had custody of our prisoner it was like a three day in country holiday. Slept a lot and took a ton of pic's.











Link Posted: 8/14/2011 7:21:12 PM EDT
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Really? That pool scene was legit? I spent my war in the other place so this Iraq stuff is intriguing to me...


Yes. Spent three days in the Green Zone on an escort mission (Detainee Ops yeah!). Once the hospital there had custody of our prisoner it was like a three day in country holiday. Slept a lot and took a ton of pic's.

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/373/14223582.jpg

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3606/26093622.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5074/41790738.jpg

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7327/58574226.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/765/63054285.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6090/48968417.jpg


When was that pool pic taken?
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 7:28:55 PM EDT
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When was that pool pic taken?


Jan 08'

Link Posted: 8/14/2011 7:47:52 PM EDT
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I took part in a raid that became relatively well reported, and was a minor international incident. It was wrongly reported by an embedded reporter that had an agenda. Then there was a press report that was mostly correct with the "pro-American" propaganda spin. The true story never came out. Only me and a few others know what really happened.

Hollywood does it even worse.
Link Posted: 8/14/2011 8:02:37 PM EDT
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When was that pool pic taken?


Jan 08'



Ah, right on....that roofed area with fluorescent lighting behind the diving boards wasn't there when we were there in '06.
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