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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:56:44 PM EST
I wasn't around when Nixon was President. Hell, I wasn't even conceived yet. But, I know that the Nixon Administration was an extremely divisive time in the country. Watergate, Vietnam, protests, Ohio State, forced bussing, race riots, commie terrorists, black panthers, etc. 

So, is what we're seeing today anything like it was back then or is this just a mild spat by comparison? 
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:00:27 PM EST
Way worse today, many more snowflakes.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:02:46 PM EST
Not by a long shot.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:03:51 PM EST
I asked my father the same question about two weeks ago, he also agreed that things are worse now compared to the Nixon era.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:04:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Element94:
Way worse today, many more snowflakes.
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Not at all.

Back in the late 60s and 70s they were bombing police stations, killing cops by the dozens, and setting everything on fire.

There may be more coverage now, but there was much more violence then.

From the Weathermen to the SLA it was a terrible time.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:04:55 PM EST
Nixon was a great president.

There, I said it.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:07:49 PM EST
Not a good comparison.

Nixon broke the law and had zero charisma. No one questioned his intelligence or love of country. He conspired to hide a crime.

Trump hasn't broken the law and has even less charisma. The people attacking him are of the lowest character imaginable.

The anti-Trump hate is many times worse.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:07:55 PM EST
good question.

the news didn't have a 24/7 ratings-driven broadcasting model, so there's no way to tell.
I had college-age older brothers, and I know there was a lot of college activity against Nixon.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:08:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TontoGoldstein:
Not a good comparison.

Nixon broke the law and had zero charisma. No one questioned his intelligence or love of country. He conspired to hide a crime.

Trump hasn't broken the law and has even less charisma. The people attacking him are of the lowest character imaginable.

The anti-Trump hate is many times worse.
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excellent points.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:09:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TontoGoldstein:
Not a good comparison.

Nixon broke the law and had zero charisma. No one questioned his intelligence or love of country. He conspired to hide a crime.

Trump hasn't broken the law and has even less charisma. The people attacking him are of the lowest character imaginable.

The anti-Trump hate is many times worse.
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Trump and Nixon aren't the question. 

Was the furor, real or manufactured, as wide spread and boisterous as it is today, or was it worse? 
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:11:13 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:13:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Trump and Nixon aren't the question. 

Was the furor, real or manufactured, as wide spread and boisterous as it is today, or was it worse? 
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Much worse then.

Essex shooting it up in New Orleans, Kent State, Manson, I could go on and on about real bloody violence.

Hardly compares to one run over dumbass at an ANTIFA protest.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:14:41 PM EST
There is no way to compare apples to apples in this question, the 60's was a completely different time, we didn't see it on TV 24/7 and there was actually a cause being fought for, now, there is no cause, there is hate being fought for..
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:15:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Threefingers:
Nixon was a great president.

There, I said it.
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He's tan, rested, and ready!
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:15:59 PM EST
I was around during the Nixon presidency, there is much more bashing of DJT than Nixon.

The big difference between today and back then; back then they didn't have the internet, so the news media charges is often unchallenged for weeks and months. Remember the media back then is pretty much the same media as today.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:16:44 PM EST
While today's level of absolute derpitude and stupidity is hard for normal, rational people to fathom, the late 60's - early 70's had a level of mass violence and mob-rule activity that we have not yet seen.

It was a different time in a lot of dimensions - why, back then, unlike today, there were even a fairly large number of elected Democrats who either were not America-hating, Commie-loving, idiot-traitors, or else at least they had the sense to hide it.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:16:59 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:17:12 PM EST
My dad was in Law enforcement in a city of 18000 in the 60's. There were riots. He was hit by a brick and bit on the neck. The positive side was that they were allowed to kick ass. I used to get his riot gear out from under his bed. I believe it was an M4A1 if my memory serves me.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:17:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TontoGoldstein:
Not a good comparison.

Nixon broke the law and had zero charisma. No one questioned his intelligence or love of country. He conspired to hide a crime.

Trump hasn't broken the law and has even less charisma. The people attacking him are of the lowest character imaginable.

The anti-Trump hate is many times worse.
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I agree with you Tonto.

Nixon had some good qualities but he totally blew it with trying cover up Water Gate that I personally think he was involved in.
He was too paranoid.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:18:23 PM EST
Nixon broke several laws, and tried to cover it up.

I was young, but remember it well.

Trump broke no laws, but is trying to drain the swamp. He is fighting the leftist MSM, the leftist DNC, the idiot hillary cry babies, and the leftist GOPe.

Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:18:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gunslinger808:


Not at all.

Back in the late 60s and 70s they were bombing police stations, killing cops by the dozens, and setting everything on fire.

There may be more coverage now, but there was much more violence then.

From the Weathermen to the SLA it was a terrible time.
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Well lets see- we still have forced busing, race riots, black panthers, communists, socialists, and half a thousand other ills, cops are being killed for doing their jobs and regular citizens beaten / killed for wearing MAGA hats. Today stupidity is much more widespread and worse. Too many people just don't give a shit.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:19:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:
I wasn't around when Nixon was President. Hell, I wasn't even conceived yet. But, I know that the Nixon Administration was an extremely divisive time in the country. Watergate, Vietnam, protests, Ohio State, forced bussing, race riots, commie terrorists, black panthers, etc. 

So, is what we're seeing today anything like it was back then or is this just a mild spat by comparison? 
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Absolutely!

This time we're in a Soft Coup...

Wondering when it will grow warmer.

Trump's success getting control of the Swamp is our LAST CHANCE... There's an old saying, if you smite the King, then...

I'll let you finish it.

If trump FAILS, as a lot here are hoping and working toward, then this saying will be applicable -especially to Trump -and also to most gun owners and those who love integrity in .gov, and Freedom.

Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:21:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Element94:


Well lets see- we still have forced busing, race riots, black panthers, communists, socialists, and half a thousand other ills, cops are being killed for doing their jobs and regular citizens beaten / killed for wearing MAGA hats. Today stupidity is much more widespread and worse. Too many people just don't give a shit.
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And this too.
In fact I think most people were smarter back then and were certainly not lead by the nose by todays social media as the youth of today.
Yea,go book face...Yea go Twerper.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:24:31 PM EST
I think a different type of violence, different targets.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:24:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By heeler1:


And this too.
In fact I think most people were smarter back then and were certainly not lead by the nose by todays social media as the youth of today.
Yea,go book face...Yea go Twerper.
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Yep...
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:25:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MarkHatfield:
I think a different type of violence, different targets.
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The American People and their Freedoms...

The End Game of the Leftists and Commies.

Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:29:47 PM EST
I was a kid in the Nixon era, but the Trump story does kind of remind me of the endless series of news items coming from the White House without their control, just one damn thing after another.

1968 was one fucked up year. Don't need any more of that.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:32:52 PM EST
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The violence of the late 60's and early 70's wasn't directed at Nixon as much as it was anti-Viet Nam War. It was directed more at the military and what they were doing. The government was accused more of trying to trample the protestors 1st Amendment rights and silence their dissent over the war.

This crap today is more about them not getting the socialist stuff they want. They're pissed they lost the election. The protestors are the ones trying to suppress the 1st Amendment. The violence is a means to do that. Trump is the scapegoat. Blame Trump and his supporters. Labeling him and his supporters racist is another way to make them shut up. It's contrived.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:34:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:

Trump broke no laws, but is trying to drain the swamp. He is fighting the leftist MSM, the leftist DNC, the idiot hillary cry babies, and the leftist GOPe.

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Trump v. Globalists

(It's a lot easier to type)
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:35:34 PM EST
The violence is more pervasive and in more areas...it is also directed at people who have no relation to the so called problem...

When President Nixon was in office the violence was at the universities and aimed at general destruction of property and aimed at police
and military...

It was aimed at returning veterans that I know first hand.

I would say it is worse now because there is no end in sight and back then it mostly peaked as President Nixon took the initiative away from the war
protests by implementing "Peace With Honor" and "Vietnamization"...that is not happening here and how far it is going to go is anyone's guess.

They are continuing to ratchet up labeling and targeting anyone who is not them and directing violence towards innocent people.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:37:44 PM EST
The protesters in the 60's and early 70's had legitimate complaints and while angry, were still rational. These current "protesters" aren't protesting, they are just angry and irrational. 
 Back then, the news coverage was mostly that: coverage. Today, they are the instigators.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:38:23 PM EST
We've had a few more decades for the schools and media to brainwash more people. Generally, back in Nixon's time I don't recall so many older people out there among the demonstrators. Not as many hated their country back then, they hated Nixon and the war and anybody who wore a uniform, and the gov. in general because they funded the war.  I don't think the police stood around watching as much. If there was violence they got out the clubs and beat some heads. Liberalism wasn't as pervasive in every aspect of life and frankly the people today are just stupid and ignorant.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:39:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:
The protesters in the 60's and early 70's had legitimate complaints and while angry, were still rational. These current "protesters" aren't protesting, they are just angry and irrational. 
 Back then, the news coverage was mostly that: coverage. Today, they are the instigators.
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I agree here as well.

These anarchist of today though....
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:40:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Hebrew_Battle_Rifle:
The protesters in the 60's and early 70's had legitimate complaints and while angry, were still rational. These current "protesters" aren't protesting, they are just angry and irrational. 
 Back then, the news coverage was mostly that: coverage. Today, they are the instigators.
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another point to consider is that back then, there was not nearly as much tacit support for Leftist violence as there is today. I'm seeing a helluva lot of Democrats and liberals saying WTTE of "good for them, I wish I could do that" with regard to Antifa, BLM, etc.

Just because the violence of today hasn't yet escalated to the level of the 1960s radicals doesn't mean it isn't possible to meet or exceed that level of violence.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:41:38 PM EST
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It is worse today, mainly because there is no escaping from politics/the social justice warriors.

During Vietnam and later the Watergate era, you dealt with politics when you watched the evening news or read the morning paper. If you lived in a very large city occasionally you'd see a protest march (unless you lived in DC in which case they were fairly frequent).

But, aside from those areas, you pretty much lived your life without people constantly being in your face about politics or social justice.

Today? Everything has political or social justice implications. You can't watch an NFL game, or buy or not buy a product, or send your kids to school without constantly being bombarded with various (normally left wing) political messages.

This is why we're all on both sides constantly ready to kill each other. There is no longer a place to go to decompress from all this. This is mainly due to those on the left, but we on the right are occasionally guilty as well.

We really need to establish some boundaries. Not everything in life is politics. There are other things. People need to find meaning in something besides their favorite political or social cause.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:42:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NRA2:
We've had a few more decades for the schools and media to brainwash more people. Generally, back in Nixon's time I don't recall so many older people out there among the demonstrators. Not as many hated their country back then, they hated Nixon and the war and anybody who wore a uniform, and the gov. in general because they funded the war.  I don't think the police stood around watching as much. If there was violence they got out the clubs and beat some heads. Liberalism wasn't as pervasive in every aspect of life and frankly the people today are just stupid and ignorant.
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The anti-war, pro-marxist, college students that protested back then are the "teachers" today.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:42:51 PM EST
Not even close. While I was pretty young I remember a lot of it, especially Kent State and some of the WU stuff on the news.


Kent State

Weather Underground

Black Panthers

SDS


Out of all these the Weather Underground alone makes the current situation pale in comparison. Bombings, arson, etc.

Of course the FBI was also doing the COINTEL PRO shit, so a lot of the weatherman charges got dropped. Ponder that for a bit.

Then look up who the key members of the Weather Underground were, and who they're connected to today.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:45:31 PM EST
It is worse.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:46:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 9divdoc:
The violence is more pervasive and in more areas...it is also directed at people who have no relation to the so called problem...

When President Nixon was in office the violence was at the universities and aimed at general destruction of property and aimed at police
and military...

It was aimed at returning veterans that I know first hand.

I would say it is worse now because there is no end in sight and back then it mostly peaked as President Nixon took the initiative away from the war
protests by implementing "Peace With Honor" and "Vietnamization"...that is not happening here and how far it is going to go is anyone's guess.

They are continuing to ratchet up labeling and targeting anyone who is not them and directing violence towards innocent people.
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+1

I agree with the above.

I also think the potential for things to really go side-ways is much higher now.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:47:55 PM EST
The boogy man was the Police and the Military/Vietnam Nam vets.  Today, the boogy man is the conservative/right.  In some ways similar, but the anger is different today.  It appears better produced and less organic now, than it was then.  But there was less media then....like 3 TV stations for imagery/visuals.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:49:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Drsalee:
It is worse.
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+1 on that and Its going to get a lot worse. I feel sorry for the generation that has to clean it all up.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:49:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By seek2:
Not even close. While I was pretty young I remember a lot of it, especially Kent State and some of the WU stuff on the news.


Kent State

Weather Underground

Black Panthers

SDS


Out of all these the Weather Underground alone makes the current situation pale in comparison. Bombings, arson, etc.

Of course the FBI was also doing the COINTEL PRO shit, so a lot of the weatherman charges got dropped. Ponder that for a bit.

Then look up who the key members of the Weather Underground were, and who they're connected to today.
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The Weatherman were SDS and mostly Red Diaper babies...see Mark Rudd's book....
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:53:24 PM EST
I agree with earlier poster. Back when, black panthers were starting riots and there was burning and looting like crazy. Went to a riot in our own hometown and then an anti war riot at Ohio State. This was after the KENT State riot, where guardsmen were backed up to a fence and were getting pelted with rocks..before they shot back. After that, we were not issued ammo to load up in our rifles. I was not at Kent state but saw photos of just before, during and after the shooting.

I think it was worse then, but do not think it has reached its peak yet now.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 8:56:35 PM EST
Yes and no.

The rhetoric in those days was just as bad, and there was some political violence going on (riots, black panthers, etc).

The MSM was not as "overtly" left wing though - or maybe I just didn't notice it as much then.

It's hard thing to describe, how things were then versus today.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 9:02:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Trump and Nixon aren't the question. 

Was the furor, real or manufactured, as wide spread and boisterous as it is today, or was it worse? 
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The furor was worse then as has been mentioned. It feels worse now because there's wall-to-wall, 24/7 propaganda on the news and every time I log on here somebody's posting the latest depressing headline.

With all the extra time to fill, tons of stories that once would have been local only are now national, so the whole nation gets to hear every locality's dirty laundry and small stories are blown way, way out of proportion. Prime example is you didn't have riots every time a cop shot someone who was trying to kill them--you didn't hear about it unless it happened in your town.

I really noticed all that changing when it occurred to me that I could turn on CNN any time during the day or night and see what was happening over in Kuwait with Operation Desert Storm. During Vietnam, you had to wait until the evening news to get a few selections from the day's footage. It became apparent again during the OJ low-speed chase. I remember watching for a while, then thinking, "Why do I care about this," then changing the channel.

Life was much happier when you watched the local evening news at 5:30, then the national evening news at 6:00, then got on with your life.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 9:11:03 PM EST
Anti-war fervor during VN really started up when white boys started getting drafted in greater numbers as the Selective Service cracked down on college students with trailing grades. Up to that point they didn't care that OTHERS were dying.

In the book, A Better War, NV officials said that they had contacts in the US and helped coordinate protests. You can think John Kerry and Hanoi Jane because they were manipulated by the commies.

The war had wound down by the time of Watergate. Nixon was a very odd duck. The idea of another Dem president made it easy for him to try to hide the Plumbers' connections to the WH. While McGovern was an honorable man and a WWII Air Force combat vet, he was a socialist.

The press hated Nixon because he hated them.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 9:11:14 PM EST
I was around back then, back then isn't even close to what it is today!
Millennials think that boomers are wrecking the country - they are totally WRONG!
Millennials are currently wrecking this country in ways that have never been seen or imagined before!!!
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 9:12:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Element94:
Way worse today, many more snowflakes.
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And they all think they have a voice and input.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 9:12:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 6winchester2:
Yes and no.

The rhetoric in those days was just as bad, and there was some political violence going on (riots, black panthers, etc).

The MSM was not as "overtly" left wing though - or maybe I just didn't notice it as much then.

It's hard thing to describe, how things were then versus today.
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This is true the media was not as overtly left wing as it is now...probably because America did not have a core of citizenry that had
been brainwashed from cradle to grave with Marxist propaganda as reality...

Parents had more control over their kids and formed their reality

Also no social media back then
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 9:15:57 PM EST
MUCH more violence and mayhem in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

Today's agitation is weak in comparison, but the level of stupid leveraging today's strife is really off the charts...........
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