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Posted: 12/16/2016 9:18:06 PM EDT
how long did it take before you were finally out the door?

Say you didn't actually commit a crime or anything, but did a big no no - like a warranted PCO or ACO who created a public debt with no funds obligated, or other mistake that had no criminal intent - what happened?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:20:26 PM EDT
[#1]
So what exactly did you fuck up OP?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:26:16 PM EDT
[#2]
It is easier to get a Manatee stamp on your FL hunting license than fire a GS!  Don't sweat the small stuff.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:26:47 PM EDT
[#3]
Is this a trick question?

I don't think anyone has ever been fired from the federal government except for higher level people involved in scandals.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:27:42 PM EDT
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how long did it take before you were finally out the door?

Say you didn't actually commit a crime or anything, but did a big no no - like a warranted PCO or ACO who created a public debt with no funds obligated, or other mistake that had no criminal intent - what happened?
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Never seen that happen.

the agency always somehow comes up with the funds to cover it. ACOs and PCOs seem to be bulletproof even with huge "oh shit" type of fuck-ups.

The only people I saw get fired were falsifying time.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:30:07 PM EDT
[#5]
There is practically nothing a GS can do to get fired.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:30:53 PM EDT
[#6]
Well you probably jacked up your warrant and will probably go back to regular 1102 work, if your an 11 or 12.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:52:29 PM EDT
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Is this a trick question?

I don't think anyone has ever been fired from the federal government except for higher level people involved in scandals.
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I've seen a few people fired. It's rare though. Usually, they're just shuffled around to where their incompetence can do the least damage.

If you were a supervisor for the federal government, would you want to fire someone?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:04:11 PM EDT
[#8]
I predict 5 pages, 2 locks, and absolutely zero confirmed stories that involve a federal employee being fired
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:19:32 PM EDT
[#9]
I worked for the Federal government for 23 years.

Federal employees can and do get fired.

In my experience most of those fired ended up getting their jobs back because:

Managers were too lazy or incompetent to follow proper procedures

People were fired for offenses that they should not have been fired for

Managers were too lazy or incompetent to follow proper procedures.

I knew one guy that got fired for failing a drug test.

They said he used some sort of masking agent.

He hired a lawyer and it took about a year but it turns out the agency was not doing drug testing correctly.

Got his job back and made whole, all back pay with interest, time made good for retirement, leave restored, everything.

I also knew some folks that really needed firing and management was too lazy to document everything and do what was necessary to get rid of them.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:19:49 PM EDT
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I know personally of 1 federal employee being fired.  Drugs were involved.  I have heard stories of others but I did not know them personally.  
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:21:14 PM EDT
[#11]
I've worked in and around the federal government for 20 years and offhand I can't think of any employees I've seen fired who didn't commit a crime or crimes.  

Hopefully we're going to see some changes with the tenure process under the new administration. Think that'd help immensely.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:23:32 PM EDT
[#12]
I want a .gov job.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:33:28 PM EDT
[#13]
how many dead hookers or 11 yr old boys stacked in the office closet does it take
to get a FedGov employee fired?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:34:20 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:36:38 PM EDT
[#15]
I know of 4 people fired from fed. government.  Two of those may have been given the option of resign or else. It's bèen a while but I think all of those were during about a 4 or 5 year period.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:37:37 PM EDT
[#16]
I've worked for the fed. gov't for 28 years, 23 as a supervisor/manager.  Feds get fired for time and attendance fraud, not coming to work and theft of gov't property.  The most recent employee I know of that was successfully fired, lied on application about previous discipline.  Before that an employee that had over 40 instances of not showing up for work.  In my agency, the supervisors have been beat into submission by the slobbering liberal National Labor Relations Board, Merit Systems Protection Board, EEO or court system.  The "system" is in place to protect the employees (public employee unions) from being held accountable.  If the rest of the country had any idea how bad it has gotten in the fed. workforce, they would march on DC with pitchforks and torches.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:40:00 PM EDT
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Never seen that happen.

the agency always somehow comes up with the funds to cover it. ACOs and PCOs seem to be bulletproof even with huge "oh shit" type of fuck-ups.

The only people I saw get fired were falsifying time.
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how long did it take before you were finally out the door?

Say you didn't actually commit a crime or anything, but did a big no no - like a warranted PCO or ACO who created a public debt with no funds obligated, or other mistake that had no criminal intent - what happened?


Never seen that happen.

the agency always somehow comes up with the funds to cover it. ACOs and PCOs seem to be bulletproof even with huge "oh shit" type of fuck-ups.

The only people I saw get fired were falsifying time.

Yeap.
You have to be intentionally defrauding the government of money not due to YOU to be fired. Anything else is just incompetence and taken care of behind closed doors.

Kharn
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:40:45 PM EDT
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I know personally of 1 federal employee being fired.  Drugs were involved.  I have heard stories of others but I did not know them personally.  
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Takes a lot more than some pot needles.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:40:51 PM EDT
[#19]
So what your saying is there a job opening? Id love me a nice comfy fed job..
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:42:31 PM EDT
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Is this a trick question?

I don't think anyone has ever been fired from the federal government except for higher level people involved in scandals.
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I have seen it.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:43:14 PM EDT
[#21]
I've seen a few get canned in my time.  I always like to characterize by saying they didn't just cross the line, they got a long running start and jumped over the line.  Most were either drug or alcohol abuse on the clock or numerous falsifications of government documents, i.e. their time sheets.  There have been a couple busted off the clock for child molestation that had the good taste to resign.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:43:28 PM EDT
[#22]
I worked for the government for 41 years. Saw 1 guy get fired over drugs. Saw fair number told to resign(or get fired), or told to retire(or get fired).
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:46:03 PM EDT
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I've seen several GS employees fired. In all cases it was a long drawn out process with tons of admin leave (paid not to work!) . The process can be akin to a death penalty case with tons of automatic appeals and ways to get out of it. Even if you are terminated, OPM has a final automatic review which can get you one last reprieve. I've seen employees get terminated for misuse of gas cards or credit cards or commit crimes which caused a revocation of a security clearance which meant that they couldn't work anymore. Most times, I've seen employees who should have been fired be given the "quit to avoid being fired" option. It's the least messy and most likely thing to happen. Smart shitbags fight it to the very end and try to stay on admin leave as long as they can.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:49:28 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:52:25 PM EDT
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I know of a case in which a guy who was three full bubbles off plumb pulling a gun, on his boss (later my boss), inside  a federal building, inside the very anti-gun District of Columbia.

He should have been fired right then and there. He should have been arrested.

Instead he became a Mado-Giwa-Zoku, retiring at 60 on a federal CSRS retirement for a GS-15.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:53:21 PM EDT
[#26]
Where I work in military fed employment, there have been multiple employees get fired during my time there.  A few for porn on govt computers, out the door pretty fast, unlike stories I've heard in the media about DOJ and IRS employees.  Some for sexual harassment, some for incompetence.

We do not draw a "salary", we are project funded and we have customers.  No customers, no projects, no work, no money, RIF.  If we do poor quality work, no customers.  So quality of work force tends to be very high relative to some other agencies, and very much in line with private sector equivalent employees.

We are heavily scrutinized for travel costs and use of govt cards.  When some had abused govt cards, have seen several get fired.

If I have a bad employee, just need to set up counseling and paperwork similar to when I was in uniformed service, no improvement in a certain time period, out the door.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:54:20 PM EDT
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I worked for the government for 41 years. Saw 1 guy get fired over drugs. Saw fair number told to resign(or get fired), or told to retire(or get fired).
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Same thing I saw.  Plenty of "time for you to retire" and other cases of " you can quit or that security video of you wacking off in the control room will come out".
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:06:01 PM EDT
[#28]
I saw four guys fired for stealing computers. Our didn't do nothing brigade jumped in and they were allowed to resign. Two of them are government employees in Texas now.

A union treasurer was fired and it held up for theft.

A manager was demoted and a coworker fired for time sheet fraud.

Several people finally fired for job abandonment.

Almost everything else that I can think of ended in early retirement.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:12:21 PM EDT
[#29]
Spend time in the military and apply. You beat out all nonmilitary for a wg job to get in the door.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:33:58 PM EDT
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About 25 years ago we had an agent fired for attempting to cash a forged check. Didn't take long for him to be removed. There one day and gone the next. I don't know what a "PCO" and "ACO" is, so I can;'t answer your question. There is a long laundry list of criminal and civil violations (including handling classified material violations like Hillary Clinton committed) that have various punishments that range from verbal and written reprimands to days off without pay up to termination. When I was in the Border Patrol we had an agent (that was known as a crook by the entire office) who finally got caught attempting to "pick up" females that he believed were aliens on the street (this one was not) and he was fired pretty quick. He filed a suit and was reinstated by a judge and was put back to work, in the motor pool without a badge or gun.

Previous to that guy there were two agents that did the same thing he was doing, picking up female illegal aliens on the street and letting them go after they "socialized" with them a bit. In this case the two apprehended two female aliens, processed them for Voluntary Returns and released the aliens back onto the street instead of sending them back across the bridge to Mexico. Then they decided to remove evidence of their apprehension by breaking into the locked file cabinet that contained copies of the V/R paperwork at the station and removing the copies of the completed paperwork. They were caught and fired, not for the inappropriate behavior with the aliens or releasing them in the US, but, for attempting to steal the V/R paperwork. I'm guessing it was easier and more expedient to fire them for attempting to steal the govt. paperwork than to charge them criminally for their "Socializing with the aliens and releasing them after transporting them from the office (8USC1324).
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:41:05 PM EDT
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I know of a case in which a guy who was three full bubbles off plumb pulling a gun, on his boss (later my boss), inside  a federal building, inside the very anti-gun District of Columbia.

He should have been fired right then and there. He should have been arrested.

Instead he became a Mado-Giwa-Zoku, retiring at 60 on a federal CSRS retirement for a GS-15.
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What agency? My agency a GS 15 is an Assistant Special Agent in Charge. His boss would have been the Deputy SAC. Retired at 60 is unusual for federal law enforcement (you did write that he had a gun). Mandatory retirement age is 57.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:44:47 PM EDT
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Not remotely correct.

Folks get fired regularly.  

Their CoC just has to do the paperwork.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:48:25 PM EDT
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We've been trying to get rid of a guy for like 4 months now.  Multiple duis, couple assaults, some felony bail jumping, no call no shows, in jail for weeks, etc.  Can't touch him until court is settled, which doesn't happen because he's been postponing trial for 1.5 years so far.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:51:35 PM EDT
[#34]
I've watched several DoD Gov employees get fired over the years. Time card fraud is usually the biggest reason, porn on gov networks, stealing gov prop, travel card fraud, sexual harassment, resume/college credential misrepresentation and security clearance revocation. I heard of one jack ass that actually contacted the IT help desk because some porn site would not open his computer. I watched one guy get walked out of the office for security clearance issues and another for blatant time card fraud.

You would not believe how many people lie on their resume, its unreal. When I got hired into GS service I had 30 days to provide sealed certified copies of all my college records, military records and professional certs to to be certified by Gov HR or I would be fired on the spot. The guy inspecting my transcripts said they fire people all the time for resume fraud. Contrary to what the general public thinks, bad gov employees do get fired, it just takes a while compared to the public job market. Trust me, most of us would rather get rid of the shit birds ASAP, they make all of us look bad.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 12:20:15 AM EDT
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mom took over a fuel budget for a refueling unit from a lady who was allowed to retire instead of being fired after laundering a bunch of gambling money out of the unit for many years.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:00:21 AM EDT
[#36]
I've seen several gov't employees fired, usually for time card violations, or other malfeasance. As others have stated, it takes a while.   I've handled a number of unathorized commitments, never with warranted Contract Officers. One clerk at HR had 3 unathorized commitments and I demanded a letter be put in her HR file, she was stripped of all puchase authority and switched to another job.  She was allowed to retire eventually.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 12:38:50 AM EDT
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We've been trying to get rid of a guy for like 4 months now.  Multiple duis, couple assaults, some felony bail jumping, no call no shows, in jail for weeks, etc.  Can't touch him until court is settled, which doesn't happen because he's been postponing trial for 1.5 years so far.
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By OPM regulations, you could easily put him on LWOP.  Fired or not, he should be at home without pay.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 12:47:10 AM EDT
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I worked for the Federal government for 23 years.

Federal employees can and do get fired.

In my experience most of those fired ended up getting their jobs back because:

Managers were too lazy or incompetent to follow proper procedures

People were fired for offenses that they should not have been fired for

Managers were too lazy or incompetent to follow proper procedures.

I knew one guy that got fired for failing a drug test.

They said he used some sort of masking agent.

He hired a lawyer and it took about a year but it turns out the agency was not doing drug testing correctly.

Got his job back and made whole, all back pay with interest, time made good for retirement, leave restored, everything.

I also knew some folks that really needed firing and management was too lazy to document everything and do what was necessary to get rid of them.
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What is the interest on back pay?
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:10:42 AM EDT
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how long did it take before you were finally out the door?

Say you didn't actually commit a crime or anything, but did a big no no - like a warranted PCO or ACO who created a public debt with no funds obligated, or other mistake that had no criminal intent - what happened?
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In my experience this generally results in a ratification and a slap on the wrist, but I've seen an ACO obligate funds and be shown the door and held responsible for the debt.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:23:33 AM EDT
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I once knew a GS guy that would show up for work, leave at around 9:30 to go work his *other* self employed job, then come back around 4:00 pm then go home.  

This boss found out, and he was given a strong talking too, but he was not fired.  And he kept doing his outside job just a little bit more discretely.


I'm not sure that a "fired government employee" is a real thing.

Link Posted: 12/18/2016 1:27:23 AM EDT
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I know of a case in which a guy who was three full bubbles off plumb pulling a gun, on his boss (later my boss), inside  a federal building, inside the very anti-gun District of Columbia.

He should have been fired right then and there. He should have been arrested.

Instead he became a Mado-Giwa-Zoku, retiring at 60 on a federal CSRS retirement for a GS-15.
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Well fuck, I learned a new word today.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:01:12 AM EDT
[#42]
Never mind.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:09:58 AM EDT
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When I worked as an Army civilian back in the 90's , Clinton cut back some of the civilian work force .  IIRC later on they called the cut employees back to work. Never saw anyone get fired while I worked at the AAP, but who in their right mind wants to get fired from a 4 day work week job?  

Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:18:14 AM EDT
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Is this a trick question?

I don't think anyone has ever been fired from the federal government except for higher level people involved in scandals.
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Or people that are looking to expose deviousness...

Wait, those people are just killed
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:41:16 AM EDT
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Do you work for the VA?

You will be promoted.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:49:34 AM EDT
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I worked for the Federal government for 23 years.

Federal employees can and do get fired.

In my experience most of those fired ended up getting their jobs back because:

Managers were too lazy or incompetent to follow proper procedures

People were fired for offenses that they should not have been fired for

Managers were too lazy or incompetent to follow proper procedures.

I knew one guy that got fired for failing a drug test.

They said he used some sort of masking agent.

He hired a lawyer and it took about a year but it turns out the agency was not doing drug testing correctly.

Got his job back and made whole, all back pay with interest, time made good for retirement, leave restored, everything.

I also knew some folks that really needed firing and management was too lazy to document everything and do what was necessary to get rid of them.
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Yeah, reminds me of the time I did an investigation and found out the drug testing officer kept the samples overnight in his office wardrobe and the keys to the wardrobe in his unlocked desk. His office door did not have a locking knob either.   I'm pretty sure the kid I did the investigation on got off because of the f'd up administrative errors I uncovered.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:52:11 AM EDT
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It is easier to get a Manatee stamp on your FL hunting license than fire a GS!  Don't sweat the small stuff.
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How does manatee taste? Can someone really hunt them?
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:54:39 AM EDT
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It took over two years to almost fire a GS13.
Raging alcoholic, kept a couple bottles at work.
If he had actual work he would not touch a drop, if he was on "office hours" he was behind his locked door having a few snorts.
His last year he was removed from his job.
His new job was to come to work and sit at his desk reading a newspaper or his Kindle and drink "coffee".

He went before a review board and the result was "recommended" termination.
Before they could start the termination paperwork he retired.

A GS5 supply type was involved in a precious metals / coke smuggling ring in the mid 80's.
He was caught, three military people were "fired" and went to Leavenworth.
He was fired.
Within a few months he was working for supply at another base as a contractor.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:58:39 AM EDT
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Yeah, reminds me of the time I did an investigation and found out the drug testing officer kept the samples overnight in his office wardrobe and the keys to the wardrobe in his unlocked desk. His office door did not have a locking knob either.   I'm pretty sure the kid I did the investigation on got off because of the f'd up administrative errors I uncovered.
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An E8 and E6 both got "off the hook" for a positive piss test for meth because their lawyers found out that the piss test chief was placing the samples inside of the Chief's mess refrigerator.
The refrigerator didn't have a lock and the chief's mess had a broken window that anyone could open from the outside.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 3:02:31 AM EDT
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An E8 and E6 both got "off the hook" for a positive piss test for meth because their lawyers found out that the piss test chief was placing the samples inside of the Chief's mess refrigerator.
The refrigerator didn't have a lock and the chief's mess had a broken window that anyone could open from the outside.
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Yeah, reminds me of the time I did an investigation and found out the drug testing officer kept the samples overnight in his office wardrobe and the keys to the wardrobe in his unlocked desk. His office door did not have a locking knob either.   I'm pretty sure the kid I did the investigation on got off because of the f'd up administrative errors I uncovered.


An E8 and E6 both got "off the hook" for a positive piss test for meth because their lawyers found out that the piss test chief was placing the samples inside of the Chief's mess refrigerator.
The refrigerator didn't have a lock and the chief's mess had a broken window that anyone could open from the outside.


I've said for years that the only piss test I've ever had in over 20 years on active duty that I *might* not be able to beat in court is the one they did at RTC.

The program is so badly broken it gets beaten in court regularly.
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