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Posted: 4/20/2007 5:42:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/21/2007 9:05:54 AM EDT by CitySlicker]
By denying us the right to CCW, universities [and states, for that matter] are essentially saying that we are not responsible for our own protection, right?

So if we're not supposed to be responsible for our own safety, and the Supreme Court ruled that law enforcement agencies are not responsible for our own safety, then who is?

If we can't protect ourselves, and the police don't have to, then who will?

The logical presumption is that the universities have assumed responsibility for our own safety, yes? If so, then we can hold them accountable when our safety is compromised (i.e., the Virginia Tech massacre), yes? Pursue litigation against the university for failing to safeguard us?

There is a void here that needs to be addressed before more innocents are killed.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 5:43:34 PM EDT
All you need is a cell-phone to call 911
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 5:44:30 PM EDT
Duck and cover?
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 5:46:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By capnrob97:
All you need is a cell-phone to call 911


I understand you're being facetious, but you're forgetting that 911 is NOT responsible for our individual safety.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 5:47:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/20/2007 5:48:20 PM EDT by Slave1]
Just bow down and realize those in charge know what is best for you.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 5:49:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:

Originally Posted By capnrob97:
All you need is a cell-phone to call 911


I understand you're being facetious, but you're forgetting that 911 is NOT responsible for our individual safety.


Yea, just kidding. Given the retard 911 operators you hear about in the news, refusing to send help when some young kid called when Mom or Dad was in need of help, etc...
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 5:56:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 5:59:38 PM EDT
The Lord is my Savior and Co-pilot, but he has experienced allot of delays trying to become certified in the Federal Flight Deck Officer program, so I guess I am out of luck.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 6:00:06 PM EDT
In the name of promoting the public good sometimes a few people must be scarificed. As long as that doesn't mean me I can live with that.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 6:11:12 PM EDT
Dude you're asking those people to think too far ahead. Somehow they think that banning guns from law-abiding citizens is going to protect people from criminals that really don't give a shit about their stupid laws.

Smart eh?
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 6:13:47 PM EDT
Our liberal socialist gub'ment will.
They know whats best.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 6:18:55 PM EDT
dial 911

please tell me thats a joke...

that worked so well on 9/11

what was it they said, stay at your desk help is on its way........................

dont get me wrong 911 is good but when someone sits in their car and drowns while waiting for help, (car flips, or falls into water)

dial 911 and then save your behind,

being helpless and needing help
two different things

this could be avoided, when they do the background check to make sure you can own a weapon, it would be nice to know if the person has been in a MENTAL hospital,

but no libs find it easier to say lets ban guns, one citizen with a CCW inside a classroom might have made a difference, or might not.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 6:37:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/20/2007 6:39:37 PM EDT by geeze]
Die already, isn't that what were supposed to do?

We can't defend take steps to defend ourselves without repercussions. (Think of the countless students now being arrested on college campuses being armed)
We can't defend ourselves without repercussions. (Think lengthy court battle or media bias)
We can't use JHP because they are designed to kill or FMJ because its a military round.
We can't have semi-autos because the 2a was written in a time were muskets ruled.

Complete BS.

For those not getting my drift. [/sarcasm]
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 6:44:56 PM EDT
Barracade the door then when he trys to breech door slam door onto his arm breaking it,grab gun then shoot him! Is that just too easy?

Bob
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:05:26 PM EDT
good evening.

why is it that we hear so much about somebody else doing something for us?

i learned a long time ago that the only body i can depend on and trust is me.

now that i think about it, i don't think i would much like somebody else defending me.

i don't mean to be rude to anyone, but what the fuck is this attitude that *somebody* owes us something? a policeman is a guy out there working for a paycheck too. i can kind of see how they might be reluctant to go somewhere that bullets are flying. it ain't my fault that they ain't got no balls.

i have been a dragon slayer for a long time and today is as good a day as any other to die.

i would a hell of a lot rather die on my feet and fighting than hiding and sniveling.

what you have here is my opinion and it is worth what it cost you. it may be overpriced.

peace.
billr.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:45:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By billr0012:
why is it that we hear so much about somebody else doing something for us?

i learned a long time ago that the only body i can depend on and trust is me.

now that i think about it, i don't think i would much like somebody else defending me.

billr.


Hey Bill,

I think you may have misinterpreted my post. I am ALL for personal responsibility; I trust no one else with my security, and ensuring my safety is MY domain, not anybody else's.

I'm asking, from a logical standpoint, when we're denied the right to protect ourselves, and the Supreme Court decrees that law enforcement will not protect us either, then who the fuck do the moron liberals who enact anti-CCW legislation expect will protect us?
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:50:35 PM EDT
kung fu

maybe they will ban "assault appendages"
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:57:20 PM EDT
Love, understanding and tolerance are my protectors.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:57:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By billr0012:
good evening.

why is it that we hear so much about somebody else doing something for us?

i learned a long time ago that the only body i can depend on and trust is me.

now that i think about it, i don't think i would much like somebody else defending me.

i don't mean to be rude to anyone, but what the fuck is this attitude that *somebody* owes us something? a policeman is a guy out there working for a paycheck too. i can kind of see how they might be reluctant to go somewhere that bullets are flying. it ain't my fault that they ain't got no balls.

i have been a dragon slayer for a long time and today is as good a day as any other to die.

i would a hell of a lot rather die on my feet and fighting than hiding and sniveling.

what you have here is my opinion and it is worth what it cost you. it may be overpriced.

peace.
billr.


The Harder They Come

Jimmy Cliff


Well, they tell me of a pie up in the sky
Waiting for me when I die
But between the day you're born and when you die
You know, they never seem to hear even your cry

Chorus:
So as sure as the sun will shine
I'm gonna get my share now what is mine
And then the harder they come
The harder they fall
One and all
The harder they come
The harder they fall
One and all

And the oppressors are trying to track me down
They're trying to drive me underground
And they think that they have got the battle won
I say, forgive them Lord, they know not what they've done

Chorus

And I keep on fighting for the things I want
Though I know that when you're dead you can't
But I'd rather be a free man in my grave
Than living as a puppet or a slave

Link Posted: 4/20/2007 7:59:12 PM EDT
yep, or a new law:

You are not allowed to hit/hurt or otherwise cause any sort of injury to any other human being.

Funny thing is, i can actually see the libs making a rule like that up
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 8:03:21 PM EDT
Call Dunkin Donuts, response time is better than 911
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 8:05:25 PM EDT
No one.
Link Posted: 4/20/2007 8:08:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 6:26:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/21/2007 6:27:05 AM EDT by CitySlicker]
Check out this story: ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=569254.

A Mexican born, 17 year old transsexual girl has been nominated for prom king. Initially, the district shot down the nomination, but was forced to reverse their decision due to a California state law which protects "students' ability to express their gender identity on campus."

Why do I mention this? Because it's a grave injustice how the state of California is so intent on protecting students' right to "express their gender identity on campus" but not protect themselves on campus.

What happened to the Supreme Court decision in Tinker v. Des Moines, where they ruled that students do not "shed their Constitutional rights...at the school house gate?" What, that only applies to some rights?
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 7:50:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
By denying us the right to CCW, universities [and states, for that matter] are essentially saying that we are not allowed to be responsible for our own protection, right?

So if we're not supposed to be responsible for our own safety, and the Supreme Court ruled that law enforcement agencies are not responsible for our own safety, then who is? it is obvious to me--the bad guys are responcible four our safety


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Link Posted: 4/21/2007 7:54:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Moof:
Love, understanding and tolerance are my protectors.




I love your sense or humor....................it's humor, right?

If not, you're a retard.
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 7:59:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
What happened to the Supreme Court decision in Tinker v. Des Moines, where they ruled that students do not "shed their Constitutional rights...at the school house gate?" What, that only applies to some rights?


What the hell are you talking about? Oh, that old piece of paper? Well we have moved on; that "document" is so irrelevant, anyway. You must be one of those crazy militia types, huh?
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 8:41:09 AM EDT
each individual is responsible for their own protection....unfortuanately, the means of doing so effectively are denied for some
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 9:04:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MitchAlsup:

Originally Posted By CitySlicker:
By denying us the right to CCW, universities [and states, for that matter] are essentially saying that we are not allowed to be responsible for our own protection, right?

So if we're not supposed to be responsible for our own safety, and the Supreme Court ruled that law enforcement agencies are not responsible for our own safety, then who is? it is obvious to me--the bad guys are responcible four our safety


<rest snipped for brevity>



Precisely!!!! I was waiting for someone to make the connection.

Think about it, what do the liberals always tell us to do when confronted by an armed assailant? "Just give them what they want; don't resist, just comply and they'll leave you alone."

So in essence, our safety is dependent on the good graces of criminals. It is up to the criminals to determine whether or not we'll live; our safety is their responsibility?!?!?!
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 9:06:11 AM EDT
I would kindly ask the bad guy <while holding a gun to my head> if I could give him the LOVE and attention that he so badly desires.


I would then call Hillary Clinton to round up the "It takes a village" people and we will roast marshmallows by the fire while singing Boy George songs all night!


Link Posted: 4/21/2007 9:11:00 AM EDT
Ain't the system great?
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 11:11:23 AM EDT
Well, it's much worse than all this. The nutcase was removed from one class because he was so frightening to the other students, and given over to one on one teaching from another prof who had agreed to do so only after having set up a code word that would alert her assistant to call for security.

They failed to remove this nutcase from their midst, and look at what has happened.

But they are more afraid of an adult student who has jumped through all the hoops required to get a CCW license.

I can't figure that out.

I think the libtards are almost as insane as the VT shooter.
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 3:27:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ineedhelp:
I would kindly ask the bad guy <while holding a gun to my head> if I could give him the LOVE and attention that he so badly desires.


I would then call Hillary Clinton to round up the "It takes a village" people and we will roast marshmallows by the fire while singing Boy George songs all night!





You could always submit the problem to peer mediation.
Link Posted: 4/21/2007 3:38:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:

Originally Posted By Ineedhelp:
I would kindly ask the bad guy <while holding a gun to my head> if I could give him the LOVE and attention that he so badly desires.


I would then call Hillary Clinton to round up the "It takes a village" people and we will roast marshmallows by the fire while singing Boy George songs all night!





You could always submit the problem to peer mediation.


Then he will likely be barred from firearm purchases for seeking mental health treatment, at least in the near future.
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