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Posted: 2/14/2013 1:23:10 PM EDT
If you were issued a select fire rifle. Doid you use it in full auto, 3 round, or single shot?
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:23:55 PM EDT
single... Note I'm a POG
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:26:01 PM EDT
Lat time this came up, most said single almost always

Beltfed was for suppressive fire
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:26:39 PM EDT
Single
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:26:40 PM EDT
SAW gunner here. I didn't have a choice.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:26:52 PM EDT
(Afghanistan)

I had an M-4. It's safe-semi-burst, but can be jerry-rigged to be safe-semi-auto quite easily.

While actually using the rifle for its intended purpose I only used semi. I put a few mags down in auto to prove that I could do it on a range, and then returned the rifle back to safe-semi-burst after that. I never used it in burst.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:28:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2013 1:29:14 PM EDT by dskeet]
Only time I ever used burst was when I was OPFOR and just screwing around. All other times I used semi.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:28:50 PM EDT
24 months in Afghanistan.

Only fired single shots through my M4.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:29:29 PM EDT
Only time I ever used burst was at the range when we needed to use up extra ammo.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:29:36 PM EDT
semi

suppressive fire is a job for crew serves
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:30:43 PM EDT
I never used anything other than semi (pog)
My little brother (0311) used semi with M-4's of course when he was manning a SAW, he used full
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:30:53 PM EDT
Single pretty much all the time. Burst for gay range ammo dumps "Burn all this ammo so I don't have to do the paperwork to turn it back in" tpye deals
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 1:30:58 PM EDT
Single all the time. Hearing burst is kind of like what the Rebel Yell was to Yanks in 1864. Didn't do much, but it makes a scary sound.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:00:08 PM EDT
Thanks for the replies. A Liberal Gun Grabbing friend of mine today was talking about Donner's Manifesto. He pointed out just what you all have been saying. Even auto fire M16 are rarely used in that mode. Donner believed ARs should be banned. My friend picked up on this and its part of his Ban the AR argument. I wanted to hear first hand what combat vets had to say about this.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:07:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Castillo:
semi

suppressive fire is a job for crew serves


YUP
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:12:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By zeekh:
Thanks for the replies. A Liberal Gun Grabbing friend of mine today was talking about Donner's Manifesto. He pointed out just what you all have been saying. Even auto fire M16 are rarely used in that mode. Donner believed ARs should be banned. My friend picked up on this and its part of his Ban the AR argument. I wanted to hear first hand what combat vets had to say about this.


We have purpose built machine guns for automatic fire.

Don't get it wrong, automatic fire has a purpose, and our machine guns (M-249, M-240, M-2, Mk. 19, etc) get the majority of the kills for direct fire. Individual rifles get relatively few effects on targets when compared to our other weapon systems.

The US military has been built close to the German system, where individual riflemen are more for protecting the machine gun, and the machine gun is our most important organic weapon system in the infantry platoon. Everyone's position is built upon supporting that machine gun. You don't need automatic fire to do that.

We have been getting away from that mindset in some instances where it's not applicable, such as in MOUT situations, where a static machine gun position has less utility, but we're still supposed to prioritize placing machine guns over placing riflemen.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:18:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
SAW gunner here. I didn't have a choice.

Don't clean it?
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:19:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By zeekh:
If you were issued a select fire rifle. Doid you use it in full auto, 3 round, or single shot?


Just to clarify things:

1. M16A1s and M4A1s are FA.
2. M16A2s and beyond and M4s are 3-shot burst.

That means the vast majority of currently deployed soldiers only have the option of 3-shot burst.

That said, FA is very rarely used...by anyone.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:20:01 PM EDT
The single time I was able to get rounds out with a small arm it was single fire, 4 mags worth in a very short time, but single fire
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:22:33 PM EDT
semi only time we use burst was night fire training in basic and to burn up blanks. in combat anyone that would have been stupid enough to use burst would have been in deep shit with me.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:26:19 PM EDT
My son went in in 2007 and got out in 2010. He was Cav Scout and was deployed.

While he did fire automatic squad weapons he never fired the M-4 on anything other than semi. That includes OSUT, pre deployment training and actual deployment. They were never trained to use the three shot burst.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:26:32 PM EDT

Full Auto with incendiary rounds, to burn them out.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:29:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By zeekh:
If you were issued a select fire rifle. Doid you use it in full auto, 3 round, or single shot?


I got shot at...never returned fire. That's the Air Force way.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:30:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2013 3:30:47 PM EDT by Element64]
Originally Posted By zeekh:
If you were issued a select fire rifle. Doid you use it in full auto, 3 round, or single shot?


Well placed single shots or double taps. 3 round burst is shite, but I would have been very happy with a rifle that fired 1-2-FA.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:30:45 PM EDT
semi
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:31:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By guntrk:

Full Auto with incendiary rounds, to burn them out.


Only if exigency exists.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:33:28 PM EDT
Why do questions like this make me cringe

Yes I'm a combat vet ....So what everyone is saying that semi is good enough for the battlefield....any one else catch my drift...


Yea slam me but ....days are crazy..




Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:35:08 PM EDT
Having just watched the Chris Dorner firefight video-- let me say that somebody was using full auto, and lots of it... If Dorner hates full auto, it must have been the LEOs.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:39:30 PM EDT
back in my army days (Australia)
we had the M16 soley for the purpose of FA
the L1A1 (yay 7.62 nato there is no substitute) for all the real work and the M60 just for something heavy to carry
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:41:01 PM EDT
Always used semi.

Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:42:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By guntrk:

Full Auto with incendiary rounds, to burn them out.


Armed forces, not the po-lice
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:42:32 PM EDT
Semi. Much more control in dynamic situations.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:46:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2013 3:46:46 PM EDT by AISTech]
They let us hold our rifles one time in Iraq, I had mine set on single shot/semi the whole time.
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:57:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By nicasio223:
Why do questions like this make me cringe

Yes I'm a combat vet ....So what everyone is saying that semi is good enough for the battlefield....any one else catch my drift...


Yea slam me but ....days are crazy..






Yes I do
Link Posted: 2/14/2013 3:59:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Durka-Durka:
Originally Posted By guntrk:

Full Auto with incendiary rounds, to burn them out.


Armed forces, not the po-lice

Sorry wrong thread

Link Posted: 2/14/2013 4:13:18 PM EDT
Ex-SWCC - Full Auto baby...
Link Posted: 2/15/2013 3:17:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By nicasio223:
Why do questions like this make me cringe

Yes I'm a combat vet ....So what everyone is saying that semi is good enough for the battlefield....any one else catch my drift...


Yea slam me but ....days are crazy...



What I always find interesting is that the general shooting public is infatuated with FA fire. The guys who have to go out of their way to register their FA weapon and pay for the ammo consumed and maintenance to the weapon.

Those of us who have it all for "free" never use it and couldn't care less...of course the big differences are usually have to carry all our ammo somewhere and then shoot it in situations where running out would be bad.

I think there's a pretty common misconception in the general populace that the military does everything FA...and it's perpetuated by the film industry and video games.
Link Posted: 2/15/2013 3:22:34 AM EDT
I'll just jump in and add my semi as well.
Link Posted: 2/15/2013 3:31:13 AM EDT
Mostly carried a SASS or mk12, so in those cases only semi. However, I did use the full auto feature on my m4a1 to fight through an ambush.
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