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Posted: 12/18/2016 11:10:57 PM EST
When Obi Wan is held hostage and Dooku lays all the cards on the table…he flat out tells Obi wan that there is  Sith in control and the Senate has been compromised…and then asked Obi wan to join him to destroy the Sith.

Was he looking to become the next Sith Lord, or was it he just looking to be the guy that took down the Sith once and for all?

He did not lie to Obiwan and even wished that Qui Gon was still around…was Dooku misunderstood?

Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:13:26 PM EST
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Simple.

Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:15:06 PM EST
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Tag. Always wondered but too lazy to ask
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:20:26 PM EST
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The scariest villains are the ones that believe what they are doing is just and right.

Dooku was no exception to this.

Anakin later fell into this same trap.  
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:20:35 PM EST
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Funny. I always wondered this myself, but I figured I was the only one missing the obvious.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:21:56 PM EST
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I deny the existence of those movies.  It has made my life better.


Godfather Part 3 also
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:22:14 PM EST
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I always figured dooku was looking for a new apprentice.  We know he broke the rule of two because he took an apprentice in the clone wars cartoon.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:22:41 PM EST
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Dooku wanted to replace Sidious as head of the Sith. That's part of the deal of being a Sith is only one way to advance:kill your master. Getting Kenobi as an apprentice would help.

But even if Kenobi didn't go along, telling him the Sith were infiltrating the Republic would get the Jedi to chase their own shadows and spread fear and paranoia, something that benefitted Sidious' plans to plung the Republic into a war and eventually eliminate the Jedi.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:24:06 PM EST
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He just wanted his own apprentice so they could overthrow Palpatine which would make Dooku the master.

Sith are not good, they seek to only empower themselves and accomplish their own goals.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:25:40 PM EST
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I always wondered how it was so hard for them to figure out Sidious was head of the senate, Palpatine?
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:28:32 PM EST
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Because Sedious was what was clouding the mind of Master Yoda.

He was much more powerful an cunning than the movies made him out to be. He was always three steps ahead of them.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:29:40 PM EST
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Quoted for the same thing.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:32:46 PM EST
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Prequel plot was a shit show all around.  One theory is that Jar Jar was a sith, but was so hated by fans that that story line was scraped and Dooku was shoehorned in.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:35:15 PM EST
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"Machete order" makes them not as bad. 4,5,2,3,6 don't watch 1 at all.  this rearranges it into Action, filling out the story, flashback to events leading to current situation, then conclusion. 

I guess the new order would be R1, 4,5,2,3,6,7. 

ETA- note, not as bad is not intended to mean "good".  
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:37:06 PM EST
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This.  No Darth Jar Jar (due to hatred from Ep1), so Dooku was a throw away write in.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:40:27 PM EST
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Godfather Part 3 also
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Suck it up and get used to it. George Lucas made them, they're canon whether you like them or not.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:40:38 PM EST
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Godfather III by itself wasn't a BAD movie.
However:  compared to I and II, it's garbage.  

Just my humble opinion
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:42:04 PM EST
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Always thought Grievous was kinda cool. Wasn't he a human in a droid body or something? 
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:42:50 PM EST
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One of the themes was Sidious needed a replacement for Maul. Dooku was just a placeholder until Anakin was ready to be turned. The fact that such a well-respected Jedi like Dooku would lead the Separatists was just a political move to give legitimacy to them. Dooku was a throwaway pawn, politically and in the Sith power structure, and didn't realize it until Anakin was told to cut his head off. He was always going to be Anakin's first murder.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:44:44 PM EST
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He was an alien warlord that got his shit pushed in by the Republic and Jedi when he kicked the shit out of the race that enslaved his people.

He was then blown up by Dooku who blamed it on a Jedi plot to kill him.
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 11:59:16 PM EST
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He was an alien warlord that got his shit pushed in by the Republic and Jedi when he kicked the shit out of the race that enslaved his people.

He was then blown up by Dooku who blamed it on a Jedi plot to kill him.
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So another question, I've never watched it but I've heard he and maul make appearances in the clone wars animated series. Does this series run parallel to the movie story line? Also, is it accurate and give back story on anything else?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 12:04:54 AM EST
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The best part about the prequels is watching the Plinkett reviews of them

George Lucas's reaction to Episode 1
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 12:11:26 AM EST
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The best way to lie to someone that doesn't trust you is to tell them the truth.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 12:14:25 AM EST
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Damn that's brutal! Who is this guy?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 12:25:33 AM EST
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It's from an outfit called Red Letter Media.  The guy is pretending to be this crazed old guy who reviews the movies.  He did like an hour+ for each of the prequels.  If you look on youtube they should still be there under "Plinkett Star Wars".  They are pretty funny but he also does raise some good points too.

Plinkett Star Wars compilation
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 12:26:49 AM EST
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He was always going to be Anakin's first murder.
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I thought Anakin's first murder was the Sandpeople who kidnapped his mother (including their women and kids).


Link Posted: 12/19/2016 1:15:40 AM EST
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I thought Anakin's first murder was the Sandpeople who kidnapped his mother (including their women and kids).
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He was always going to be Anakin's first murder.


I thought Anakin's first murder was the Sandpeople who kidnapped his mother (including their women and kids).

While technically a murder, the Sandpeople were more of a revenge killing than anything. It had some justification, depending on how you look at it.

Dooku was a straight up murder so he wouldn't be a problem later.


As for the OP, one thing that I've noticed is that in all of the Man With a Golden Lightsaber fights, he's not out for blood. He's just doing the bare minimum to disengage and get away. Could be dark side cowardice, or it could be he really didn't want to hurt/kill any Jedi if he could avoid it because he went rogue to work as a spy. This is Sir Christopher Lee, after all
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 1:22:04 AM EST
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Never made that connection LOL. He looks so much different! 
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 1:24:25 AM EST
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While technically a murder, the Sandpeople were more of a revenge killing than anything. It had some justification, depending on how you look at it.

Dooku was a straight up murder so he wouldn't be a problem later.
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I figured we'd be looking at it from a Jedi standpoint. Not very Jedi-ish regardless.

And Qui Gon wasn't happy about it, judging by his voice coming from beyond the grave when it happened.

Link Posted: 12/19/2016 1:30:30 AM EST
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I figured we'd be looking at it from a Jedi standpoint. Not very Jedi-ish regardless.

And Qui Gon wasn't happy about it, judging by his voice coming from beyond the grave when it happened.
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While technically a murder, the Sandpeople were more of a revenge killing than anything. It had some justification, depending on how you look at it.

Dooku was a straight up murder so he wouldn't be a problem later.


I figured we'd be looking at it from a Jedi standpoint. Not very Jedi-ish regardless.

And Qui Gon wasn't happy about it, judging by his voice coming from beyond the grave when it happened.

True, but Yoda did train Luke to kill Vader later on. So I see revenge as kind of a grayish area with the Jedi.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 1:31:32 AM EST
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Never made that connection LOL. He looks so much different! 
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Never made that connection LOL. He looks so much different! 

The spy thing is a little more believable now, isn't it?
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 1:38:06 AM EST
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I always just chalked that up to shit writing and recycling the Vader/Luke join me dialogue instead of actually having a fucking plot. If there was anything else, wouldn't be in the subtext. The prequels throw everything in your face because Lucas was either too lazy/incompetent to be subtle, or didn't trust that the audience would be intelligent enough to get it.

That being said, Dooku is probably my favorite prequel character, and Lee is a total badass. I just wish Lucas had given him a worthy film.
Link Posted: 12/19/2016 2:22:07 AM EST
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That desire to do good at any expense was the dark side.  Or something.  He is a shit character created in response to the backlash about a shit character.
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