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Posted: 9/4/2002 2:35:30 PM EDT
In an pinch, how well would a vet do in treating people? I mean..taken to the extreme...say it's a SHTFTEOTWAWKI scenario that we love to mention here...only doc available is a vet. How well could he treat people? Say someone needed their appendix out...could a vet meet the challenge? I'm thinking a vet could do a pretty good job. Inquisitive bastard today...aren't I?
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 2:47:29 PM EDT
A vet would do a great job and would even have more compassion. Small animal (dogs and cats) anatomy is very similar to humans. All the drugs are the same as used in people and are made in the same facilities. My vet has treated many gunshot wounds in dogs and I wouldn't think twice about her ability to treat me.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 2:50:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 3:00:17 PM EDT
Honestly, I would trust a vet more than a regular doctor. I've only met two doctors who were worth their salt, both of them are over 70 (one is 85), but I've met a number of vets who know what they are doing. The medicine is basically the same, the requirements for a degree are nearly the same, the patients are the only difference. The plus side is that vets seem to get a lot more serious injury treatments in a rural area than human doctors do, so they probably have more expertise in treatingstuff like GSW, severe BTs, and deep lacerations.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 3:09:21 PM EDT
I heard it was harder to get into vet school vs. med school. AmI right? The anatomy is basically the same,2 kidneys,lungs,heart etc. I, personally, wouldnt go to a vet even though I am furry and have sharp teeth.But in a pinch,a nd if my life depened on it, I wouldnt mind one slicing me open vs. Sal the butcher.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 3:52:06 PM EDT
FURTHERMORE...has anyone ever heard of someone that was both a vet AND a medical doctor?
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 4:05:29 PM EDT
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id trust a vet before I trusted an MD. the vet is used to operating on tiny organs...operating on a human would be easier I think. also I've found vets to be much more compassionate. plus those cat tranquilizers are the shizznit
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 4:11:24 PM EDT
There is no way vet school is as competitive as med school. Just because the ratio of applicants to spots in larger in one field or another does not make that field more difficult to get into. In AR, we have 150 Freshman spots each year. About 10 are set aside for people that defer or fail. We have about 400 applicants on average. Our pharmacy school, (sorry, we don't have a vet school to compare to) has about the same number of applicants for 80 spots. Is it harder to get into than med school? Not at all, because if the 150 med school students wanted the Rx spots, they could have them all. Kinda like if a business needs 10 VPs and 1 mail room clerk. It doesn't make the mail room guy more qualified because there are less positions. I don't know about the curriculum in Vet school, but I do know I breezed through college, and med school is a constant battle. tony
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 4:16:07 PM EDT
I'm a small animal Vet with a large animal background. I have to say that I'm happy to see the high opinion that everyone seems to have for the profession. We appreciate the kind words. I've been a lurker for over a year now, but I figured I'd register to say thanks. -Hobbit
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 4:26:13 PM EDT
One thing I forgot to put in my first post- For my class in vet school, 900 people applied for 89 slots. There were certain requirements that had to be met to qualify to even submit an application. Now, having said this... The people who have done the best (in school, in practice, and in life) were the ones who were reasonably intelligent, emotionally stable, and able to apply common sense to uncommon situations. I don't know what med school is like, but the most important things for ANY profession seem to be having capability, competence, and a toolbox full of solid life skills. -Primer
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 4:29:19 PM EDT
Welcome aboard, [b]Hobbit[/b]! I'd think that treating many human maladies would be simplified somewhat by the fact that humans are much more effective than animals at communicating exactly what ails them —
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 4:29:45 PM EDT
Would anybody here let a Vet do a vasectomy? BTW, 2 dogs, 3 cats, 2 ferrets, 12 guinea pigs. I send my Vet a freakin' Christmas card.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 8:34:38 PM EDT
In a pinch, a vet could do a fine job. Our local country vet has managed to be the first person on scene of a couple of car accidents that he encountered as part of making his rounds to various ranches in the area. In one case, he was credited for saving the life of the victim. In the other case, the injuries were non-life threatening. However, something to consider is that vets treat a variety of animals that are not necessarily like humans, but many like dogs and cats are not bad analogs. For instance, bird anatomy is somewhat similar, but their are numerous differences. In mammals, some have some features we don't have like multiple stomachs (such as cattle). Also, while a lot of the medicine they use on various animals also gets used on humans, there are many topics of medicines that are not a good cross such as some animal tranquilizers. By the way, my vet is a reservist captain in the Army. He is currently in Afghanistan, but he isn't fighting. His role is in verifying conditions as to being sanitary in regard to food prep and medical areas. He has also been serving as a goodwill vet to treat sick or injured animals owned by the non-Al Queda civilians.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 8:47:39 PM EDT
Vet was excellent for us. He fixed our daschund when he was hit by a car. Operated on him and put pins and plates in him. Costs us $3,500 but worth every penny. Dog walked again. Then the dog came down with disc disease. He looked to be heading for paralysis. We thought about surgery but the vet recommended that we try cortisone shots along with medication and wait. Glad we did. Dog is up and about again. Gave us good advice and prevented us from spending big bucks on surgery. Now we wait and see if another disc goes bad or arthritis comes along.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 8:50:43 PM EDT
I guess you might be the best person to ask. How well do you feel you could treat humans? At the heart of the matter, what is the most complex procedure you think you could do on a human being? Take an appendix out? More than that? Hell...kidney transplant? I dont know why, but this intrigues me.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 9:16:16 PM EDT
My wife's a vet technician. I'd easily let her suture me up if needed, fix breaks, administer shots, take blood etc. Not that I'd let her 'practice' on me, but in the SHTF scenario, shes got the job. Plus, when she rubs my belly, my leg kicks. [:D]
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 1:53:19 AM EDT
Zippy- I figure you were talking to me, since no other vets have chimed in yet. Hopefully they will. In most states, vets are covered by "Good Samaritan Laws", which essentially means that we can render first aid/try to help people in bad situations when there's not human-trained medical help available. If someone is better qualified, it's hands-off for us. It's things like this that allow us to offer assistance without fear of being sued for "practicing human medicine" (big trouble) when helping out at car wrecks. For the record, I never have. I hope that I never have to. Since we're talking about odd scenarios, I'll bite. No kidney transplants for me, and DEFINITELY no vasectomies- there are lots of reasons for the latter. Anything else... if a vet has seen it at work, they could probably give it a shot on a person. There are problems- first of which is anesthesia. I would have absolutely no idea how to use anything other than lidocaine. Fixing a gunshot wound is no good if the patient dies under anesthesia. Time for me to go to work... Hobbit
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 10:24:12 AM EDT
It is rumor that a vet can fix up a person pretty damn well...not that I would no that or anything. But if worse came to worse and the AVMA wasn't snooping around I don't think you would be disapointed in their work [;)]
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 10:33:40 AM EDT
I wouldn't mind a vet giving me emergency medical treatment. Although, I can picture myself laying there, and my wife saying to the vet "He's suffering...I want you to put him to sleep".
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 10:39:16 AM EDT
I have a freind that just moved to Austin after graduating from LSU with a degree in Veternarian something......I would choose her over 9 out of 10 people docs that I have known. The attitude, the concern, and the outright professionalism of this young lady is outstanding.
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 10:40:05 AM EDT
I would imagine that anyone who can make a diagnosis & treat an animal that can't communicate verbally would do quite well on someone that could. I would also guess that any meds you would give to an animal would be the same for a human. Other than dosage, I doubt there is much difference. I would accept the advice of a vet. Scott
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 2:28:33 PM EDT
My father is a DVM. He actually started off college to be an MD. He hates listening to people bitch so he switched over. He always said that MD's only have to know one animal but a DVM has to know a minimum of three. Most DVM's continue to go to school well after they are established in a practice. My father started off in a large animal practice in OR. He then worked exotic animals in Vegas. We moved to WA where he bought his own clinic. Now he works small animals and is one of the few around that area that will work avian and reptiles. There are differences in how each species is treated. Chocolate is toxic to a Canine but harmless to a feline...drugs and treatments are a good parellel to this. This may shock or offend but when my father first opened his practice we were basically poor as hell. He had his whole life and literaly the farm invested into it. We couldnt afford medical insurance and I never went to an MD the whole time I was in high school. Luckily I never had anything worse than a broken arm but since I skateboard and Snowboard that happened quite often. Forgot about the stiches and staples too. Bottom line they would do just fine in a "worst case" scenario. A lot of people have a misconception that they couldnt make it as an MD and thats just not true. Also not all MD's are surgeons DVM's are.
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 2:34:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By eastsideDC1: This may shock or offend but when my father first opened his practice we were basically poor as hell.
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I've been doing this along time and I'm still poor! Well I like to think so at least, guess I should whittle on some of those small animals...
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 3:03:18 PM EDT
LgAnimalVet, you wouldn't happen to be in the La Junta area, would you? I made a trip up there to visit a classmate of mine and did farm calls for a day or two. Pretty country. I made a local rancher's day by asking him "How often does it rain?". He nearly fell off his horse laughing.
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 3:16:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 3:16:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hobbit: Pretty country. I made a local rancher's day by asking him "How often does it rain?". He nearly fell off his horse laughing.
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I up north from there...that is funny though! I can't remember the last time it rained around here--Hell, I not even sure I would know how to recognise it anymore
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 3:24:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 3:39:55 PM EDT
Vet school is hard to get into. My daughter is trying and hasn't made it in yet. She is a zoology major with an overall grade point of 3.2. Some of the hardest classes I've ever seen and I'm a science teacher. As far as having a vet work on me, I think I'd pass. For one thing the dosage of medicine is a lot different for humans than for dogs and cats. Humans have many more types of medicines to choose from. Vets are good but if you really have something serious wrong, Id take the specialist.
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 3:43:28 PM EDT
So, Large Animal Vet, Hobbit...I'm curious. Do you have children? Specifically, any sons? If so, do you/did you find you have some bizzare, almost instinctual impulse to castrate them when they reach adolescence so they don't go "spraying" around the house? ;-) I kill me...
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 5:50:35 PM EDT
DPMSouthpaw- good luck to your daughter. In the future, there will be far more women than men in the profession. My class was evenly split. Two years later, the classes were 75% female. According to the trade publications, the trend is here to stay. Where I went, we were selected based on the following criteria- no particular order: GPA adjusted by major (some majors had grade inflation problems), GRE score, extracurricular activities (like service organizations and honoraries), a face-to-face interview, an essay, and experience in the field. Improving any or all of these would increase her chances. Also, I went to school with some people who had MS degrees... that had to look good on the application.
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 6:41:58 PM EDT
I have to agree with the Hobbit on all of the above. Women are the wave of the future for veterinary medicine, especially in small animal and exotics. Good luck to your daughter DPMSouthpaw, it is tough but worth it if she is passionate about it. There are a lot of DVMs around that are exceedingly bias towards a woman vet, as WAS I, but every single one of them that I have ever met are excellent Dr's. Must be that nurturing instinct (I wish my wife had that). I say more power to them--I know quite a few DVMs that I wish her half as dedicated as all the women docs I know. Zippy--Two hellions and a sweet little girl here, and if they ever went "spraying" around my house, they would wish all I would do is castrate them.
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 7:23:28 PM EDT
My wifes best friend and that friends husband are both vets. They both graduated from the vet school at the Univerisity of Illinois in Champaign/Urbana within the last 5 years. I absolutely wouldn't let either of them work on me for anything more detailed than stitches or reseting a simple fracture. Disease? No frickin way. We all have many mutual friends who are MDs, DOs, etc... and the vets, while they still claim they are required to learn more than an MD, don't have a clue when it comes to human illness and treatments. The basics are pretty much the same, but that's as far as it goes. I've had several conversations of this nature with the vets. Here is a good example. When a vet stiches up a dog or something after a surgery, they basically just eyeball where they place the skin to keep it lined up as close to original as possible. If it's crooked... oh well. The dog won't care. An added note; the vets medical technology is only about 10 years or so behind human medicine. A properly trained MD should be able to use every technique, drug, and equipment that is available to Veteranarians. The opposite isn't true.
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 7:26:03 PM EDT
Oh yeah. And vet school [i]is[/i] fairly hard to get into. But not because you have to be a genius or anything. It's hard to get into because there are only something like 12 vet schools in the entire country. How many little girls have you heard over the years that say they want to grow up to be an animal doctor?
Link Posted: 9/6/2002 10:45:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless: Yeah but then we'd have to call you KittyVet and that doesn't sound quite as badass [:p]
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It does sounds aweful sexy though...
Link Posted: 9/6/2002 4:12:43 PM EDT
As close as I can figure, there are 28 vet schools in the U.S. Some states have more than one. No flame intended (especially not to a Dune fan), but if a closure is crooked, I care. I take a lot of pride in what I do. If someone trusts me enough to bring their animal to me to be taken care of, they deserve my dead level best work.
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