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Posted: 9/3/2015 11:02:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2015 11:28:12 PM EDT by jrzy]
When I was going to school I bounced at a local bar and drove a cab to pay my way.



Neither job was great but part time they were good.
So I am driving a cab in jersey and we had an office at the local train station.



I see a guy getting off the train from NYC, this is pre berlin wall coming down.



The guy has a real Russian hat on and a heavy overcoat



(looks like he jumped right out of Tolstoy's "War & Peace")
Anyway, he walks right up to me and said in a thick Russian ascent, "take me to store"



I said "what kind of store do you want"



He said "whatever they are selling that day"
I didn't know at the time that stores sold whatever commodity the govt supplied that day or week.



People saw a store open and they got in line not even knowing what was for sale?



Crazy right?
So I ask if he had a choice of any store that would have whatever he wanted what kind of store should It be?



He said "maybe a food of some kind"  



I took him to a large Grocery store in jersey called Pathmark.



I had to see his face after he explained what Russia was like.



I went ahead of him to show him the electric eye sensor doors open.



He walked in behind me and his eyes went wide.



Now you have to understand he was coming to visit a old dying relative and went from the airport to the train station and into my cab.
He was walking around and the look on his face was just pure astonishment!



He asked me "can you buy anything here?



I said yes, he said " can I ?"



I said yes you can too, he had honest to God tears coming down his face.



You see the average Russian back then did not hear or believe this place called America really had freedom & bounty.



The govt there denies a better way of life exists anywhere?



Unless they are rich or well traveled they wouldn't believe it until they have seen it.
Vlad never went back to Russia, I saw him a few times over the years and he had got a job sweeping up at a local MFGer plant and then went to school and got a degree in teaching, he became a US citizen soon after and raised a family here.



Once his eyes were open to the truth you couldn't have gotten him out here with a crow bar..
We take for granted that which is handed to us, forgetting sometimes the Blood and lives given so we may have this dream.



People from other places see it for it's true Grandeur.



Forget the part lined out, I didn't want to delete it but I also said this:



I'll make it clear



FUCK ILLEGALS



DO IT RIGHT OR GO HOME, in CUFFS IF NECESSARY

Thats the reason I always find it hard to fault the hard working illegals that come here to survive and work hard and take care of their families.
Who here among us wouldn't do the same to save their Family?    


 
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Thats the reason I always find it hard to fault the hard working illegals that come here to survive and work hard and take care of their families.





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Ho Lee Fuk, Jeb Bush is a member here?






 



If foreigners want to come here, they have to do it in a legal regulated manner.  They don't have to become citizens, but if they don't follow the law, they can ESAD.
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Thats the reason I always find it hard to fault the hard working illegals that come here to survive and work hard and take care of their families.



Who here among us wouldn't do the same to save their Family?
  Ho Lee Fuk, Jeb Bush is a member here?

 
I said I had trouble faulting them, never said I'd allow amnesty or open the fucking border, get you head out yer ass  



 
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If foreigners want to come here, they have to do it in a legal regulated manner.  They don't have to become citizens, but if they don't follow the law, they can ESAD.
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Thats the reason I always find it hard to fault the hard working illegals that come here to survive and work hard and take care of their families.

Who here among us wouldn't do the same to save their Family?
  Ho Lee Fuk, Jeb Bush is a member here?
 

If foreigners want to come here, they have to do it in a legal regulated manner.  They don't have to become citizens, but if they don't follow the law, they can ESAD.




Illegals are just doing the rapes and murders that Americans won't do
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 11:10:56 PM EDT
I can't fault them for wanting to come here, but get in line and do it right.
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Originally Posted By jrzy:

So I ask if he had a choice of any store that would have whatever he wanted what kind of store should It be?

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Pretty good question. I'm impressed.






Thats the reason I always find it hard to fault the hard working
illegals that come here to survive and work hard and take care of their
families.



Who here among us wouldn't do the same to save their Family?      
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Oh fuck off with that bullshit reasoning. We either have a country or we don't. The only people seriously pushing for leniency on illegals are naive young people and the commies/socialists/democrats who want easy votes to solidify their power.



It's ironic you're using this Soviet in the land of the free story to pull our heart strings for a cause that ultimately increases support for the leaders that seek to undermine our way of life.
 
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I can't fault them for wanting to come here, but get in line and do it right.
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Yep I agree, I never said anything else but you know raven, if he can take a free kick at me he does.

I think it's old age that makes him grumpy



 
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Pretty good question. I'm impressed.






Oh fuck off with that bullshit reasoning. We either have a country or we don't. The only people seriously pushing for leniency on illegals are naive young people and the commies/socialists/democrats who want easy votes to solidify their power.



It's ironic you're using this Soviet in the land of the free story to pull our heart strings for a cause that ultimately increases support for the leaders that seek to undermine our way of life.





 
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Originally Posted By jrzy:

So I ask if he had a choice of any store that would have whatever he wanted what kind of store should It be?



Pretty good question. I'm impressed.






Thats the reason I always find it hard to fault the hard working illegals that come here to survive and work hard and take care of their families.



Who here among us wouldn't do the same to save their Family?      


Oh fuck off with that bullshit reasoning. We either have a country or we don't. The only people seriously pushing for leniency on illegals are naive young people and the commies/socialists/democrats who want easy votes to solidify their power.



It's ironic you're using this Soviet in the land of the free story to pull our heart strings for a cause that ultimately increases support for the leaders that seek to undermine our way of life.





 
I'm not pushing anything, people always jump to BS

I don't believe in amnesty, or open the border either, hell kick out the 11 million ,

all I said was I find it hard to fault the hard working ones that come here seeking to save their families.

Just cause I feel for them don't mean I am giving them my Country.



 
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 11:20:56 PM EDT
Your right I can't fault them for coming here and living off the US tax payer. But I sure do blame elected officials for allowing and encouraging it.
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Pretty good question. I'm impressed.
Oh fuck off with that bullshit reasoning. We either have a country or we don't. The only people seriously pushing for leniency on illegals are naive young people and the commies/socialists/democrats who want easy votes to solidify their power.





It's ironic you're using this Soviet in the land of the free story to pull our heart strings for a cause that ultimately increases support for the leaders that seek to undermine our way of life.
 
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Originally Posted By jrzy:


So I ask if he had a choice of any store that would have whatever he wanted what kind of store should It be?





Pretty good question. I'm impressed.



Thats the reason I always find it hard to fault the hard working illegals that come here to survive and work hard and take care of their families.





Who here among us wouldn't do the same to save their Family?      



Oh fuck off with that bullshit reasoning. We either have a country or we don't. The only people seriously pushing for leniency on illegals are naive young people and the commies/socialists/democrats who want easy votes to solidify their power.





It's ironic you're using this Soviet in the land of the free story to pull our heart strings for a cause that ultimately increases support for the leaders that seek to undermine our way of life.
 
The last part was an after thought, in hindsight I should have left it out.


But it does tie together as we are the greatest Nation on Earth who all admire and want what we have .





I'll make it clear


FUCK ILLEGALS


DO IT RIGHT OR GO HOME, in CUFFS IF NECESSARY





 
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Your right I can't fault them for coming here and living off the US tax payer. But I sure do blame elected officials for allowing and encouraging it.
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Missed the part about the working hard ones huh?



 
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Your right I can't fault them for coming here and living off the US tax payer. But I sure do blame elected officials for allowing and encouraging it.
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You know I never could understand how states can give welfare money to someone who is illegal?

I wonder what states don't do that?



Is there a list of states where illegals cannot get welfare benefits?



 
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Travel outside of the US a little, it is eye opening! I was in Russia in the late 1990's it got worse just after the Soviet Union fell, that is why Putin is such a hero to the Russian people, he got things working again. Don't get me wrong, I am not a fanboy he is a tyrant, but that is what they needed then.
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 11:30:07 PM EDT
Where did you drive a cab in NJ?

I was in Fort Lee.
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You know I never could understand how states can give welfare money to someone who is illegal?
I wonder what states don't do that?

Is there a list of states where illegals cannot get welfare benefits?
 
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Originally Posted By AJ1018:
Your right I can't fault them for coming here and living off the US tax payer. But I sure do blame elected officials for allowing and encouraging it.
You know I never could understand how states can give welfare money to someone who is illegal?
I wonder what states don't do that?

Is there a list of states where illegals cannot get welfare benefits?
 

Arizona.
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 11:40:56 PM EDT
No one remembers Viktor Byelenko? After he landed a MiG-25 in Japan (with two minutes of fuel remaining), was sent home by the CIA and the boys at Langley couldn't convince him that the stores around Langley were not just a front, they gave up, assigned him a handler and gave him the keys to a Lincoln Continental. He had gone from Virginia to South Carolina before he figured out that all the malls every ten miles weren't just Potemkin villages. The book is called MiG Pilot and is definitely worth a read. Someday I would love to buy that young man a drink.
Link Posted: 9/3/2015 11:51:59 PM EDT
Here's a story:

I made a friend in Moscow, in a round-about way.  Very cheerful guy, and his wife too.  Then one day I was with them and they were so excited!  Their visas came through and they were going to Disneyland for vacation!  After they returned, they were solidly in depression.  The entire next year they were drunk every single day I saw them till I came back home.

People just can't believe how fucked up a place and get, and it's why I got so political when I returned home.  I did not want to ever see America become that!  Well, fucking-A am I depressed now.
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No one remembers Viktor Byelenko? After he landed a MiG-25 in Japan (with two minutes of fuel remaining), was sent home by the CIA and the boys at Langley couldn't convince him that the stores around Langley were not just a front, they gave up, assigned him a handler and gave him the keys to a Lincoln Continental. He had gone from Virginia to South Carolina before he figured out that all the malls every ten miles weren't just Potemkin villages. The book is called MiG Pilot and is definitely worth a read. Someday I would love to buy that young man a drink.
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I wonder how much they gave him in cash to live on?

That Mig was worth it's wt in Gold I'd bet



 
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Missed the part about the working hard ones huh?
 
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Originally Posted By AJ1018:
Your right I can't fault them for coming here and living off the US tax payer. But I sure do blame elected officials for allowing and encouraging it.
Missed the part about the working hard ones huh?
 


No one gives a shit how hard they work if they are undocumented.  Until I got my Green Card, my employers crossed every t and dotted every i.

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No one remembers Viktor Byelenko? After he landed a MiG-25 in Japan (with two minutes of fuel remaining), was sent home by the CIA and the boys at Langley couldn't convince him that the stores around Langley were not just a front, they gave up, assigned him a handler and gave him the keys to a Lincoln Continental. He had gone from Virginia to South Carolina before he figured out that all the malls every ten miles weren't just Potemkin villages. The book is called MiG Pilot and is definitely worth a read. Someday I would love to buy that young man a drink.
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I've read it, great book.
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People just can't believe how fucked up a place and get, and it's why I got so political when I returned home.  I did not want to ever see America become that!  Well, fucking-A am I depressed now.
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Yes, earthly eye but ill can bear to trace the change to foul from fair. But cheer up, you'll be long dead before it gets really bad.



 
Link Posted: 9/4/2015 12:09:18 AM EDT
It's a great sentiment that the US is vastly superior to other places....

But we simply don't have the resources, the bounty, to take in everyone who wants to come here. They would overload us and drag us down, and within a generation or two, we would be no better than the place they came from. It's much better to help them where they are.
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I wonder how much they gave him in cash to live on?
That Mig was worth it's wt in Gold I'd bet
 
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Originally Posted By Ductapeman:
No one remembers Viktor Byelenko? After he landed a MiG-25 in Japan (with two minutes of fuel remaining), was sent home by the CIA and the boys at Langley couldn't convince him that the stores around Langley were not just a front, they gave up, assigned him a handler and gave him the keys to a Lincoln Continental. He had gone from Virginia to South Carolina before he figured out that all the malls every ten miles weren't just Potemkin villages. The book is called MiG Pilot and is definitely worth a read. Someday I would love to buy that young man a drink.
I wonder how much they gave him in cash to live on?
That Mig was worth it's wt in Gold I'd bet
 

They were unimpressed with it for the most part. It was fast and had advanced for the USSR look down shoot down radar if I recall correctly. The CIA got Viktor a job consulting and then he worked on a farm and  started flying again

It's a cheap book on amazon and its not too long
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Thats the reason I always find it hard to fault the hard working illegals that come here to survive and work hard and take care of their families.

Who here among us wouldn't do the same to save their Family?
  Ho Lee Fuk, Jeb Bush is a member here?
 


I don't know that Jeb's a member here, but he sure has his voice(s) active here.
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They were unimpressed with it for the most part. It was fast and had advanced for the USSR look down shoot down radar if I recall correctly. The CIA got Viktor a job consulting and then he worked on a farm and  started flying again



It's a cheap book on amazon and its not too long
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Originally Posted By jrzy:


Originally Posted By Ductapeman:

No one remembers Viktor Byelenko? After he landed a MiG-25 in Japan (with two minutes of fuel remaining), was sent home by the CIA and the boys at Langley couldn't convince him that the stores around Langley were not just a front, they gave up, assigned him a handler and gave him the keys to a Lincoln Continental. He had gone from Virginia to South Carolina before he figured out that all the malls every ten miles weren't just Potemkin villages. The book is called MiG Pilot and is definitely worth a read. Someday I would love to buy that young man a drink.
I wonder how much they gave him in cash to live on?

That Mig was worth it's wt in Gold I'd bet

 


They were unimpressed with it for the most part. It was fast and had advanced for the USSR look down shoot down radar if I recall correctly. The CIA got Viktor a job consulting and then he worked on a farm and  started flying again



It's a cheap book on amazon and its not too long
wiki says they (govt) set up a  trust fund for him



 
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