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Posted: 10/12/2004 3:06:51 PM EST
I've got two 1 liter bags of Normal Saline IV. They expired 02/04. I'm drinking whiskey right now and plan on giving myself an IV in the morning.

I've given myself plenty of IV's in the past - no big deal.

But what's your honest opinion about using NS that's expired?

It's not cloudy and nothing can be seen floating in it - the bag appears completely normal.

Should I use them?

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:14:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:17:26 PM EST
Roger that - I'm aware of the reasons and I've inspected the fluids for any signs of deterioration. They look pretty dandy to me.

However, if you don't see me posting tomorrow evening...
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:20:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 3:20:39 PM EST by Sub-MOA]
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:20:53 PM EST
Try them on your cat first.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:23:07 PM EST
Drink a glass of water for every drink you had and pop some Aleve. You should be fine... why the hell IV yourself? Thousands of college students handle the morning-after issue daily


- BG
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:23:30 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:25:18 PM EST
I've just been spoiled with using the quickest way to rehydrate myself. I can bang in 1 or 2 liters of fluid right quick - but sippin' water takes to dang long.

Heck, I might even invest in one of those pressure infusers.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:31:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By Palo_Duro:
I've just been spoiled with using the quickest way to rehydrate myself. I can bang in 1 or 2 liters of fluid right quick - but sippin' water takes to dang long.

Heck, I might even invest in one of those pressure infusers.



... just foreseeing dialysis in your near future. Renal failure taint no fun a tall rusty
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:36:33 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:46:39 PM EST
Thanks for your concerns. I apologize for not making this seem overtly comedic. Honestly - I wouldn't administer expired meds to anyone.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:49:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:51:34 PM EST
I've volunteered to be a pin cushion many times. People DO need the practice. I just make them use 22g needles.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:52:17 PM EST
Palo Duro...

Have you ever went swimming in Lake Meredith?

MT
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:54:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By MT_Pockets:
Palo Duro...

Have you ever went swimming in Lake Meredith?

MT



No - why do you ask?

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:55:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:57:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:
www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?PGGUID=30e072f0-7b6a-11d5-a192-00b0d0204ae5

but why not just drink some friggin water eh?



No shit -- how dumb
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:58:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By Palo_Duro:
I've volunteered to be a pin cushion many times. People DO need the practice. I just make them use 22g needles.




i was already NR paramedic certified when i enlisted. I spent AIT at ft sam living off post killing time. My squad used to come over to my apartment on weekends to study/drink. First guy to pass out became the "Casualty". Some of those poor badstards looked like heroine addicts by the time those guys were done with them. Our Cadre Sgt used to laugh his ass off about it.

mike



National Registry - hooah! I'm licensed - aka - have a college degree in paramedicine.

I don't like gettin' stuck by a noob - but I figure I can train them better than an EMT.

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 3:59:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:
www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?PGGUID=30e072f0-7b6a-11d5-a192-00b0d0204ae5

but why not just drink some friggin water eh?



No shit -- how dumb



And how dumb is it to post without reading the thread?

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:01:27 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:01:52 PM EST
Don't know about IV fluids. I wouldn't try it, but oral meds are another thing. I am a registered Nurse and have a few friends that are Pharm D's. The other day we were talking about expiration dates on meds and my friend showed me a study done on some WWII antibiotics that had been in storage since the war. Tests showed no breakdown and efficacy rates greater than 99% of origional strength. His view is that with proper storage in a climate controlled environment meds have the shelf life of some of our sealed milsurp ammo. This of course would not play well with the regulatory agencies and drug companies. Just think of the millions of doses stored say, from WWII being used today. No reason to buy more drugs until the existing suplly is exhausted.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:05:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Whitedog:
Don't know about IV fluids. I wouldn't try it, but oral meds are another thing. I am a registered Nurse and have a few friends that are Pharm D's. The other day we were talking about expiration dates on meds and my friend showed me a study done on some WWII antibiotics that had been in storage since the war. Tests showed no breakdown and efficacy rates greater than 99% of origional strength. His view is that with proper storage in a climate controlled environment meds have the shelf life of some of our sealed milsurp ammo. This of course would not play well with the regulatory agencies and drug companies. Just think of the millions of doses stored say, from WWII being used today. No reason to buy more drugs until the existing suplly is exhausted.



I didn't know that! Good info!

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:06:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:06:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 4:07:46 PM EST by cyanide]

Originally Posted By Palo_Duro:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

Originally Posted By Sub-MOA:
www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?PGGUID=30e072f0-7b6a-11d5-a192-00b0d0204ae5

but why not just drink some friggin water eh?



No shit -- how dumb



And how dumb is it to post without reading the thread?




I read it -- sorry still think it is dumb.

Seems that is a craze going around now -- brother.


I've just been spoiled with using the quickest way to rehydrate myself. I can bang in 1 or 2 liters of fluid right quick - but sippin' water takes to dang long.

Heck, I might even invest in one of those pressure infusers.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:06:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
i just wish i could have made a living at it. Payroll for paramedics here SUCKED ASS in the 80's.

I used to joke with the drill instructers that i joined the army because i figured i'd get shot at less than on a rescue rig



Private companies pay dirt around here. You have to get on with a city like Austin or a hospital like Cook Children's.

I was making $22 per hour in the Ped. ER.


Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:08:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By cyanide:

I read it -- sorry still think it is dumb.

Seems that is a craze going around now -- brother.



You read it...but still didn't notice the post about it being a joke?

Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:09:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By Palo_Duro:

Originally Posted By cyanide:

I read it -- sorry still think it is dumb.

Seems that is a craze going around now -- brother.



You read it...but still didn't notice the post about it being a joke?




For some it isn't ---
they do it ---- for real.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:10:35 PM EST
Maybe in New Jersey.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:16:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:18:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By Whitedog:
Don't know about IV fluids. I wouldn't try it, but oral meds are another thing. I am a registered Nurse and have a few friends that are Pharm D's. The other day we were talking about expiration dates on meds and my friend showed me a study done on some WWII antibiotics that had been in storage since the war. Tests showed no breakdown and efficacy rates greater than 99% of origional strength. His view is that with proper storage in a climate controlled environment meds have the shelf life of some of our sealed milsurp ammo. This of course would not play well with the regulatory agencies and drug companies. Just think of the millions of doses stored say, from WWII being used today. No reason to buy more drugs until the existing suplly is exhausted.



Yep... I've seen studies where 15 years after the expiration that many drugs were still QUITE "safe" and viable... there are a COUPLE of exceptions though... unfortunately they don't readilly come to mind (I just know the couple of drugs _I_ may wish to utilize in the future will be FINE if they are years after their "expiration" ;) TYPICALLY though, it is my understanding that 1 year afterthe expiration "posted" is the "norm" to keep form being sued if it's a "close call" don't know for certain if that applies to IV stuff though :/
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:20:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
city when i was there paid 18k per year. This was 1987. Ambulance companies were in the 6.50-7.00hr range.

IBM pays MUCH BETTER



I hear ya! Private AC's around DFW STILL pay $9/hr. for medics.

My license would get me $0.50 additional.

Gotta go the RN route.
Link Posted: 10/12/2004 4:30:33 PM EST
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