It's called "The Pregnant Pause" back in Dr. Rabon's Interview Discourse Analysis (how to catch a liar) class 30 years ago

Was the cop holding a captive bolt gun and an O₂ tank when he asked you to step out of the car?

I actually know a guy who had a cop plant drugs on him. Luckily, another cop's body cam caught it and he ended up with a nice settlement and an apology from the Captain.

Welp. We found the cop.

And also a great example of how our police lost my support.

I don’t really see the point of blurring the line on that one. The only reason to do so is to try to get someone to do something you can’t make them do, but in this case they can absolutely be made to do it.

i'm going with this

that is a strange one no doubt

Found another one. Please don’t complain about how cops are treated and lack of support.

You damn well why you guys lost it.

That's 100% what was going on.

"Is there anything in the car I should be aware of?"


"Just a dead hooker and two kilos of uncut Columbian...why do you ask?"

If you are surprised by any of the stop then you have not been paying attention to modern-day policing.
The stop was conducted the same way as thousands of other interstate/drug corridors fishing expeditions.
The official stuck to standard procedures nothing to see, STFU and move along citizens.

Isn't Utah the state where highway cops love to use the civil asset forfeiture excuse to straight-up rob people? Though they usually hit out of staters with that. You got $50k on you.....and a VAPE PEN!!! Must be a drug smuggler! We're confiscating all this ill-gotten drug money, and if you complain, you're gettin' arrested.

OP almost got robbed.

Driving while white is always dangerous, sometimes deadly. Systemic racism.

This, never hurts to leave a paper trail

I had one pretty similar

I was in a all black Malibu with some pretty dark windows..

The unmarked county deputy said I was following too close to the tractor trailer in front of me.

Pure fishing expedition

Red

Sounds like some Super Troopers shit.

Are you sure he didn't say "Sir I need you to step out of the vehicle meow"?

When a cop asks, "Do you mind if search your car?", never give a yes or no answer. If you don't consent say "I will not give you permission to search my vehicle", or something like that. If you give a "no" answer to the question, they will say you are saying you don't mind if your vehicle gets searched. If you give a "yes" answer they will say that were giving them permission to search the car. That used to be a thing, I really don't know if it still is or not.

You can always withdraw consent if the police officer believes it was given.

"Sorry officer...let me clarify..."

Someone replied with a link to a "cheap" 4k dash cam...  can someone post a good/better/recommended one?

Littering, and littering, and.....

Yep.

Ive never been pulled over or even had so much as a parking ticket. I have a family member thats a state trooper.
Dated a girl and her brother was a state trooper.

I absolutely cannot stand cops and their attitude, they are all on some kind of power trip. "oh your gonna do what I say"

Only real interaction ive had with a cop was a fender bender where I was rear ended at a stop light off a small 2 lane road.

Cop: did you already exchange insurance information?
Me: yea she texted it to me and I have my insurance in my hand as well.
cop: ok, well you both can go ahead and leave then.
Me: can I still get a police report for my insurance just in case?

The cop tried everything he could to get out of doing a police report. But I wanted one.
Then he told me to stand over on the side of the road (this was in december) while he sat in his car doing the police report. 20 minutes later he came out of the car and said it would be ready in 3-5 days.

The part that turned me away from cops even more was when my family member went through the academy and was telling me some of what they were trained to do.
Then I found out cops were allowed to lie to you to get you to answer their questions to provide them with whatever they want.

I trust them about as much as shaquille o'neal shooting a free throw with his eyes closed. They are not your friend.  

The point is simple: they want you to agree to a search without a warrant. They can ask nicely or ask in a way that confuses you as to whether they’re asking or telling.

Peace officers do the former; road pirates do the latter.

In Oklahoma,  apparently all cars pulled over on turnpikes are for "failure to adequately signal before changing lanes"

Being a retired cop, that was my first thought as well. The described behavior of the officer was bizarre as shit. If what the OP said is true and the cop really is a cop then that agency needs to investigate to see what is going on with their employee. Sounded like there could be a mental health issue going on with him with that kind of behavior.

garmin mini 2.

It's better to be clear the first time, that way there can be no argument.

Go back and read the post you quoted. It isn’t in reference to a search. It’s in reference to whether or not an officer can order you out of your car on a traffic stop, which they can.

Brain freeze on cop.  Bet he took the clawt shawt.

apex didn't mention that the lights need to be on, you clarified that. IDK about other states but in Bama, if you can't safely move over to the next lane, you have to slow down 10 or 15 miles below the posted speed limit.

You encountered a T1000, it was just looking for Sarah Connor, that's why it let you go

Lived a similar situation in the late 1990s.  

During one pull over event the cop looked at my boots and noted that i had Bates boots and asked if I was a cop/EMT/FF/etc.  I said no, but liked the boots.  During this interaction at a nearby stoplight, someone was probably looking at us and not the light.  This car stopped in the middle of the intersection (better late than never I guess).  There was no one else on the road and this cop looked at me, handed me my license back, and said he had found who he was looking for (LOL).

About two months later I quit working that timeframe and was never bothered again.

Not disagreeing at all...just reminding folks that, even when mistakenly given, consent to search can be withdrawn.  Much like your right to remain silent.  If you start blabbing and then decide to clam up, that's your right as well.

That's it, Buddy!

You just made the Arfcom Non-List!!!

You definitely need a dash cam that records forward and back. I purchased a REXING V3 about 3 years ago. I'm sure there are probably better ones out there now.

We have dash cams on all our vehicles (3).

PA vs. Mimms disagrees.

I had a similar weird experience in Utah.

Got pulled over going 77 in a 75 zone, on a bright sunny day. My wife and I were both confused as hell.   Apparently the cop was too.

He asked for the license and registration, then just stood there staring at me for about 30 seconds, while I bit my tongue trying to prevent myself from cracking some wise-ass remark.

Finally says "You know why I pulled you over, right?"

Me: "??? No idea"

(another 20 second pause)

Cop: "Well, I think you know"

Me: (wondering if he's confused me with somebody else)  "No, really I don't".

We went back and forth like that another 2 or 3 times. Finally he handed me my shit back and told me to "drive safe" and stomped back to his car.

Best I can figure, he saw my MT plates and was fishing for drug runners or something - only he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, because he pulled over a minivan with little kids in it.

I've heard plenty of similar stories about UT cops (I have a lot of family there).   Must be something in the shitty irradiated water they drink.....

And LE wonders why the public has lost confidence.


ETA
And it's Utah.

To LoBrau, what's with the nit picking?  You make a lot of unfounded assumptions to support your comment.   If I see an emergency vehicle parked along side the road I am going to move to the farthest lane away from said vehicle and slow my speed.    Do I need to clarify any move would be made only if safe? Really?  Did I say 'every instance"?   You do what you want.  I've explained what I will do - the goal being to avoid any interaction with the man..


§ 46.2-861.1. Drivers to yield right-of-way or reduce speed when approaching stationary vehicles displaying certain warning lights on highways; penalties.

A. The driver of any motor vehicle, upon approaching a stationary vehicle that is displaying a flashing, blinking, or alternating blue, red, or amber light or lights as provided in § 46.2-1022, 46.2-1023, or 46.2-1024 or subsection B of § 46.2-1026 shall (i) on a highway having at least four lanes, at least two of which are intended for traffic proceeding as the approaching vehicle, proceed with caution and, if reasonable, with due regard for safety and traffic conditions, yield the right-of-way by making a lane change into a lane not adjacent to the stationary vehicle or (ii) if changing lanes would be unreasonable or unsafe, proceed with due caution and maintain a safe speed for highway conditions. A violation of any provision of this subsection is reckless driving.

B. The driver of any motor vehicle, upon approaching a stationary vehicle that (i) is displaying a flashing, blinking, or alternating amber light or lights as provided in subdivision A 1 or 2 of § 46.2-1025, (ii) has activated the vehicular hazard warning signal flashers, (iii) is displaying caution signs, or (iv) is marked with properly lit flares or torches shall (a) on a highway having at least four lanes, at least two of which are intended for traffic proceeding as the approaching vehicle, proceed with caution and, if reasonable, with due regard for safety and traffic conditions, yield the right-of-way by making a lane change into a lane not adjacent to the stationary vehicle or (b) if changing lanes would be unreasonable or unsafe, proceed with due caution and maintain a safe speed for highway conditions. A violation of any provision of this subsection shall be punishable as a traffic infraction.

When a cop asks you "Do you know why I pulled you over?", the always-correct and truthful answer is "No, I don't Officer.".  You have NO idea at that point exactly why he pulled you over; you don't know what is in his mind.

This is an extremely common ploy to get the driver to make an admission of guilt which can be (and will be) used against the driver in Court.

Sorry, I'm in a crabby mood and felt like arguing I guess.

Unpossible. The powers that be have assured us that they don't exist.

I would never stop on the highway at night for a cop, and taught my daughters the same.  I told them to call 911 and keep driving until they are advised s/he is valid.  Too much bad out there these days.

My mom pulled off an interstate late one night and was being aggressively followed. It scared her enough to call the cops. Dispatch put her on hold, the car behind her turned away, then dispatch came back and said it was just a cop car, don't worry about it.

She didn't understand. I told her he was trying to make her make a mistake so he could pull her over. She drives an escalade, so I assumed she was profiled. It was also late, she was coming back from a family get together.

Someone here will probably try to defend that piece of shit.

Haha...one look in the mirror dressed like than carrying his tank and I would have been long gone. Gotta love the movies but great scene.

I have done this...as an off duty cop, working for the same department, but different division. Fishing expeditions are b.s.

Similarly, I had a coworker lose a dope case becuase of a failure in wording like that. He asked "mind if I take a look in your car" vs "do you consent to me searching your vehicle"

Judge tossed the evidence because "looking in" is different than searching and it lost a pretty good felony case

^^^This^^^

They can be pricey, but a camera system that has both forward and rear cameras, I think the Garmin has one with 3 channels, LTE, "Garmin Vault" storage.

Once the cop pulls up, if they don't announce their name, you can say" hello Officer (name), if the stop continues in an unsettling manner, you can chime in with "this camera is recording with cloud storage"

We do need a thread on this. A good camera that can see plates, especially at night, with multi-channel, and cloud storage would be worth it.

......which is the step before the unlawful search.

They're not getting you out because they want you to have a better fighting stance. It's because they want you out of the way.