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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 4:58:47 AM EST
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Did you film this on your phone?
PWS
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 4:59:37 AM EST
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So this was another weird spot of it from what my friend said.

Did the cop say 'can you step out of the car please'

or

'step out of the car please'

One is a command and you are required to get out due to 'reasons'. The other is a question just like 'is it ok if I search your vehicle' that you can refuse.

I don't remember if he said 'can you' or basically said get out. All I know is when I told him no thanks, he just stood there like a weirdo for 20 seconds looking at me like he was waiting for the next page of Policing 101 to load.
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"Canada huh......almost made it. Are you ok"?

"Yeah sure"

"Yeah sir"??

"Yeah sir"

"Now did you say yeah sir"?

"I think he said ...yeah sure"


Link Posted: 9/25/2023 5:12:55 AM EST
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No kidding.  OP asked questions.  He answered them.

Then whatever the heck that was at the end.
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Someone questioned his authority and it really bugs them.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 5:20:48 AM EST
[#4]
Always

Always

Always film the police anytime you are being questioned at a traffic stop.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 5:22:35 AM EST
[#5]
He was probably high on something.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 5:36:58 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 5:38:34 AM EST
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Excellent seafood.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 5:56:47 AM EST
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I hope the cop got home safely
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 5:59:30 AM EST
[#9]
Always ask them, as soon as they come to the window, ''have you been drinking? I smell alcohol on your breath.'' Works great.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:06:30 AM EST
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Are you sure it was a real police officer ?
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:10:31 AM EST
[#11]
Super Troopers cat game (meow)
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:12:09 AM EST
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Wife and I were traveling back from a weekend getaway in Utah in the same state we live in, so no out of state plates. We have a very nice car and look 'normal', so no weird profiling or anything that screamed drugs or whatever.

I get a notice on our GPS that there was a speed control ahead and check my speed - 5mph over posted limit. We drive another 3-4 minutes and pass the highway patrol marked cop in the center of the road. I didn't think twice about it.

15 seconds later I see him pull out and get in our lane, speed up and turns his lights on. I kind of laughed and told my wife that we're getting a ticket for going 5mph over on the highway. She just shook her head.

Pull over the usual license/registration talk. He asks if I know why I was pulled over and I said that I do not. Mumbles something about 'passing too close to another car' which got a really weird look out of my wife and I because the last car we had passed was well before we had passed the cop car. Totally didn't make sense.

I'm like...umm...ok. Cop stands there and stares at me for like 10/15 seconds as he's standing there with my license and registration in his hand. He then says out of nowhere to 'step out of the car please' and I ask him why, and he repeats it. I tell him I am not interested in stepping outside of my car for a traffic violation let alone one that doesn't make any sense.

He stares at us for another 10/15 seconds and both the wife and I are wondering what in the hell is about to happen. It was like something out of some weird fucking movie where every line had like 20 seconds of nothing between them.

He then turns and walks back to his car without another word. We are both confused as fuck and watch him in the rear view. We're trying to figure out WTF is going on and if 40 other police cars are about to show up for God knows what. It was so weird that my wife found our attorney's number in her phone and was ready to call it.

5 or so minutes later, no additional cop cars and officer shows back up and hands my paperwork back. More silence. He then randomly asks, what we have in our car and what are we hiding?

I don't answer and just wait for whatever comes next. I'm actually annoyed at this point.

He again, stands there for 15 seconds and says absolutely nothing. Then turns, gets in his car, sits in it for a minute and drives away past us.

What in the actual fuck?

The only thing we could think of is that he was on some fishing expedition using some shit he had gotten away with in the past and realized we weren't morons?
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Sounds like some Super Trooper games. Did he say meow 10 times?
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:14:03 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:16:59 AM EST
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Are you sure it was a real cop?  We've had several cases of fakes pulling people over in the state.
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So this gets zero attention but somehow the chunk of plastic on my firearm or the barrel length are a threat to public safety?

Talk about misprioritizing. Glad OP wasn’t protected and served.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:28:25 AM EST
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That's certainly a weird one. The "passing too close" thing is a BS fishing excuse. They use that sort of thing as it's hard to prove or disprove, just your word vs theirs and if they use it to get you stopped then find something else, you look guilty so it'll go their way. I got stopped for "driving kinda close to the white edge line" once. Not crossing it, not weaving, just being "kinda close". Mmmhmm, suuuuure.....
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:40:57 AM EST
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You'll never get on the bodycam YouTube channels if you keep your mouth shut like that.
You have to tell him you know your rights, you'll get him fired, etc.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:41:16 AM EST
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Hall monitors for adults. What a joke.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:41:54 AM EST
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In VA you are required to go to the furthest lane away from any official or emergency vehicle that might be stopped along the road as well as slow your speed, I think.   I thought this is what he meant by 'passing too close'  Also I keep seeing Broderick Crawford when I think about this scenario.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:44:35 AM EST
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"I detective the odor of alcohol/marijuana about you"

Oh yeah, well I detect the odor of bullshit about your person, officer Fife
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:45:02 AM EST
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There are some wiered fuckers out there in the LEO world.
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well it's not like they have high standards
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:45:12 AM EST
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Sounds like you met a bad apple.

I've been reassured that they are few and far between in that profession.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:45:52 AM EST
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Bullshit fishing for asset forfeiture/seizure.
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Sounds like it to me.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:46:46 AM EST
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Talked to an attorney friend after and he said that the cop could have made me get out of the vehicle. He eventually would have had to prove that he felt physically threatened if called out on it. How does that even work? Sounds like a 'I smelled weed' line when there was in fact 0.0 drugs, yet that was the applicable excuse that worked for right then and there.

Friend said that since he didn't even push that issue, nor write a citation for anything at all, tells him this guy was fishing and was pretty awful at it.

Whole interaction was weird. I told my wife while we were waiting on him to come back to agree to nothing, consent to nothing, don't even fucking talk if he talks to you and if we are somehow separated to call the lawyer immediately.

I've been pulled over before and basically just got through the process, took the speeding ticket or whatever and didn't think about it again. But this whole situation was just weird.
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I can’t speak to the reason for the stop or the weird behavior you observed, but your friend isn’t entirely correct. An officer does not have to prove he was somehow in danger to order the driver or passenger out of a vehicle during a traffic stop. According to the USSC in Pennsylvania v Mimms it’s allowed for safety purposes, but there is no requirement to cite any specific safety concerns.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:50:25 AM EST
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Always ask them, as soon as they come to the window, ''have you been drinking? I smell alcohol on your breath.'' Works great.
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“Officer, do you know why I pulled over?”
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:54:19 AM EST
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Dirty cop doing drug interdiction.  Almost always stop for bs following to close or no signal changing lanes.  File a complaint
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:54:24 AM EST
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I swear to God,  all this talk about dash cameras.

Someone oughta make a dash cam that records the interior of the car and window areas with a mouse-fart microphone right at the drivers window and an instant cloud upload that can't be fucky-fucked with and a monitor on the outside of the driver's door window so the officer is well aware the entire encounter is being uploaded and will continually be recorded if the vehicle is impounded

"Can I search your car?

Why, did you lose something I wouldn't know anything about?"
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:56:38 AM EST
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I'm an expert at being pulled over for nothing.  When I was a night club DJ I'd get pulled over almost every weekend being out at 3am on the way home from a gig.  They'd almost always say I didn't use my blinker long enough before I made a turn or a lane change or some nonsense.

Half the time they'd say they smelled weed or something. I'd say no you don't because I don't smoke weed or have any in the car. I'd tell them I don't consent to search and if they want to give me a blinker ticket go ahead.   Have had them give me breathe tests several times declaring my  late blinker use was suspicious or something .
Cops like to profile and fish. It's bullshit. I'd imagine it works getting a bust pretty often violating our rights or they wouldn't do it so often though.
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There has got to be more to your story.
None of that is believable.
No cop is that dumb
All cops are brilliant
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 6:59:54 AM EST
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This.

Cop was a dick, but I'm always surprised at why people think they have the right to refuse an order to get out of their car.  OP is lucky he didn't get arrested.
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Interdiction stop. Pennsylvania v mimms requires you to exit the vehicle when ordered to on a traffic stop, no reason is required to order you to do so.


This.

Cop was a dick, but I'm always surprised at why people think they have the right to refuse an order to get out of their car.  OP is lucky he didn't get arrested.

So its not possible to use those window pouches to put your DL, insurance card, and registration in then hang on the outside of your window when you get stopped there???
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:01:21 AM EST
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I don't know I wasn't there. But if I'm asking someone out I'm only asking to be courteous followed by ordering followed by forcing.

I don't know, most likely to compare stories about travel and stop locations between you and the passenger. Ok you are free to do that.

Only need RAS for a stop. But even 1 mph over or literally any other witnessed violation would be PC and pretext stops are a thing. No you don't need to get stopped immediately. You may let a vehicle travel for possibly miles watching for driving conduct after the first indicator or offense.

Yes, he was probably looking for a large amount of drugs or cash.

I have a feeling I could spend an hour explaining case law and interdiction tactics and no response would satisfy you.
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Lol.   You, Sir, are likely a part of the "problem. "
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:06:02 AM EST
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I read Utah, then later swore it said Mormons.
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:09:15 AM EST
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Hopefully you got your papers / license back before he left.
I had a cop keep mine (I was out of my home state ) until I went to the courthouse and paid the speeding ticket.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:12:49 AM EST
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Did you have a leash tied to your back bumper?
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:14:20 AM EST
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Did you ask the cop the usual questions to make sure he was legit?

Sir are you ok.. Have you had any drugs or alcohol tonight?

Where are you coming from? Where are you going?

When was the last time you were arrested?

Any recent trouble that I need to know about?

Do I need to worry about the weapons on your person?


Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:14:27 AM EST
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Yes could have been a fake cop


My ex wife worked at corporate hq for a chain of fast food places. It was semi rural with farmland surrounding it. A motorcycle cop with a uniform from the local SD showed up one day. Asking a bunch of questions about they're security setup. It was mostly gals that worked there, and the questions seemed off. After he left they called the local SD. Turns out it was a fake cop. Dude was set up like a local deputy all the way down to county stickers, and lights on his bike.  

Imposters are out there
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:15:00 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:17:26 AM EST
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In VA you are required to go to the furthest lane away from any official or emergency vehicle that might be stopped along the road as well as slow your speed, I think.   I thought this is what he meant by 'passing too close'  Also I keep seeing Broderick Crawford when I think about this scenario.
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No, drivers are required to move over at least one lane if it is reasonably safe to do so, otherwise they must slow down. And it applies to any vehicle displaying hazard lights; cops, firetrucks, tow trucks, mini vans with the blinkers on, etc.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:21:01 AM EST
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Coming back from a long road trip, late at night, driving a dualie pickup and flat top trailer. Same plates as the State was stopped in.
I got pulled over in a gas station after fueling up, bathroom break, and snack purchase heading toward the entrance / exit.
Only vehicle other than the clerks car at the gas station. Cop said the reason he pulled me over was for impeding traffic.
I slowly looked left and then right not seeing another moving or non-moving vehicle with headlights on.
No ticket, just given a verbal warning. Sometimes you just encounter assholes.
Every time I drive through that town I imagine he’s now the Chief of Police there.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:37:02 AM EST
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I swear to God,  all this talk about dash cameras.

Someone oughta make a dash cam that records the interior of the car and window areas with a mouse-fart microphone right at the drivers window and an instant cloud upload that can't be fucky-fucked with and a monitor on the outside of the driver's door window so the officer is well aware the entire encounter is being uploaded and will continually be recorded if the vehicle is impounded

"Can I search your car?

Why, did you lose something I wouldn't know anything about?"
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That's why I want one that can record to a cloud server. Dashcams could easily get "broken or lost".   wnk..wink
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:38:38 AM EST
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For years I worked a job that required me to be driving to work at the exact early morning time as drunks were on the road.  Stopped many times for speeding, and I usually was, maybe 5MPH or so.  Never drunk /impaired.

Since I wanted to minimize the stops, I stopped speeding, and developed a "procedure" to allay cop suspicions/anxiety. Still got stopped, though the frequency decreased.

I think out of 30+ stops I got one written "warning", never a ticket.

Once the night cops knew I was just a "working stiff" and came to recognize my car, problems decreased until a new cop was assigned the same shift, and the situation began all over again.  Rinse and repeat.

I'm guessing they were looking for "high value" targets (drunks) and once they realized I wasn't drunk, any further time spent on me was a waste of their time and decreased their opportunity of finding an [i]actual[//i] drunk.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:43:41 AM EST
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Similar event happened to me. Was not speeding, just "following too close..." with at least 80feet between my truck and the 18wheeler in front of me. Mississippi state trooper pulled me over and asked me tons of questions, the same questions twice and three times, if I had any weed or coke or heroin etc., if I had any guns. ME: Yes Sir, I have a handgun in my center console. HIM: I know, I see it. Thanks for telling the truth. ME: Yes sir.

He ended up letting me go; When he asked about my history of arrests, tickets etc., I Was honest and he didnt even go back and run my license, or check my insurance, he just let me go. There is a little more to the story, and if I'm ever sitting around a campfire or at deer camp with you I might tell you the rest.

It does seem like something is up with police, like they are more invasive lately. My advice is to just be polite, respectful and dont give them a reason to wrap you up.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:45:32 AM EST
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No, drivers are required to move over at least one lane if it is reasonably safe to do so, otherwise they must slow down. And it applies to any vehicle displaying hazard lights; cops, firetrucks, tow trucks, mini vans with the blinkers on, etc.
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In VA you are required to go to the furthest lane away from any official or emergency vehicle that might be stopped along the road as well as slow your speed, I think.   I thought this is what he meant by 'passing too close'  Also I keep seeing Broderick Crawford when I think about this scenario.

No, drivers are required to move over at least one lane if it is reasonably safe to do so, otherwise they must slow down. And it applies to any vehicle displaying hazard lights; cops, firetrucks, tow trucks, mini vans with the blinkers on, etc.



That's exactly what I said.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:46:27 AM EST
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FWIW Pennsylvania v Mimms says you need to get out of your rig if ordered to do so...
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Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:47:18 AM EST
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Cops love to create awkward silence in the hopes you will start talking and incriminate yourself.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:51:58 AM EST
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Call your attorney.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:52:28 AM EST
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Congrats on not making your story read like chain mail.  You’ll get your sticker in the mail.
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FWIW Pennsylvania v Mimms says you need to get out of your rig if ordered to do so...



Check with your attorney.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 7:58:47 AM EST
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Are you sure it was a real cop?  We've had several cases of fakes pulling people over in the state.
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My first thought.  Seems to be on the rise.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 8:02:27 AM EST
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FWIW Pennsylvania v Mimms says you need to get out of your rig if ordered to do so...





Yeah, but define ‘order’.

Plenty of weasels in the world will intentionally blur the line between a question and a command hoping to convince you to put up with BS.
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 8:06:14 AM EST
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First generation of robocop

Still working on the bugs
Link Posted: 9/25/2023 8:09:42 AM EST
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That's exactly what I said.
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In VA you are required to go to the furthest lane away from any official or emergency vehicle that might be stopped along the road as well as slow your speed, I think.   I thought this is what he meant by 'passing too close'  Also I keep seeing Broderick Crawford when I think about this scenario.

No, drivers are required to move over at least one lane if it is reasonably safe to do so, otherwise they must slow down. And it applies to any vehicle displaying hazard lights; cops, firetrucks, tow trucks, mini vans with the blinkers on, etc.



That's exactly what I said.

No, you said you have to move to the furthest possible lane in every instance. The law says you have to move one lane, and only if it's safe to do so. It actually doesn't say anything about slowing down either, just "proceed with caution."
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