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Posted: 7/2/2012 6:54:11 AM EDT
Was reading Reddit, where a poster mentioned his guns were seized by police after his apartment was raided by the police on suspicion on drugs.  There was a post on how to get the guns back, but it centered around receipts.

What happens if you don't have a receipt (i.e., the guns were a gift from a deceased relative who may have in turn bought them in a private sale, or you bought the gun in a private party sale)?
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 6:56:57 AM EDT
Take photos of the gun with a closeup of the serial  number and your driver's license.
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:01:03 AM EDT
Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui decat
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:05:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2012 7:05:31 AM EDT by TaylorWSO]




Originally Posted By redfish86:

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui decat





Do you really think that shit flys now a days?



Have you not seen any of the stupid shit in the news.



You cansream this all day long but you won' be getting your shit back. I went throught a 1 yr ordeal with the ATF fuck nozzels and I had paperwork, id's and all kinds of shit, didn't matter.



Good luck with your fantasy
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:14:52 AM EDT
Prove Ownership?????     Prove they ARE NOT mine.  

I have lots of tools in my shed that I cannot show proof of ownership....other than they are in MY shed.  

That question always drives me crazy....  What ever happened to the old saying possession was 9/10ths of the law.  

AR15-SBR

Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:18:21 AM EDT
If you have these associated with your firearms, you shouldn't have a problem... nobody is going to argue with that.

Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:19:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2012 7:20:02 AM EDT by Drakich]
Originally Posted By maleante:
If you have these associated with your firearms, you shouldn't have a problem... nobody is going to argue with that.

http://asjewelers.com/FRstuff/16/Transfer_Tax.jpg


Unfortunately, none of them are NFA goodies.

Should also note:

None of my guns have been seized, nor am I planning on having them seized any time soon.  It was just a random question that popped into my head after reading a story.
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:21:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15-SBR:
What ever happened to the old saying possession was 9/10ths of the law.

That's the thing, it's just a saying.  
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:23:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15-SBR:
Prove Ownership?????     Prove they ARE NOT mine.  

I have lots of tools in my shed that I cannot show proof of ownership....other than they are in MY shed.  

That question always drives me crazy....  What ever happened to the old saying possession was 9/10ths of the law.  

AR15-SBR



The US Constitution is the supreme law of the land we have a president who ignores it, a fast majority of congress that ignores it, and now a majority of the Supreme Court that ignores it.
Law what fucking law?
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:25:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By maleante:
If you have these associated with your firearms, you shouldn't have a problem... nobody is going to argue with that.

http://asjewelers.com/FRstuff/16/Transfer_Tax.jpg


Fuck that.
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:26:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By maleante:
If you have these associated with your firearms, you shouldn't have a problem... nobody is going to argue with that.

http://asjewelers.com/FRstuff/16/Transfer_Tax.jpg


Fuck that.


That's about the only thing that's 100% secure. Even if you have a receipt, or a dated photo with the firearm, that doesn't prove it wasn't subsequently sold, does it?
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:29:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2012 7:29:49 AM EDT by dbrowne1]
Originally Posted By Drakich:
Was reading Reddit, where a poster mentioned his guns were seized by police after his apartment was raided by the police on suspicion on drugs.  There was a post on how to get the guns back, but it centered around receipts.

What happens if you don't have a receipt (i.e., the guns were a gift from a deceased relative who may have in turn bought them in a private sale, or you bought the gun in a private party sale)?


You do have a receipt (or should) if the police take property from you. They give it to you. It will also be on the return/inventory prepared for a search warrant which details everything they took.

If that happened to me, I'd file a warrant in detinue and name the individual officer(s) and the city/county as defendants, set a date, and make them come explain to a judge why they took my property and won't return it.
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:30:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Take photos of the gun with a closeup of the serial  number and your driver's license.


Yup , I keep saying I'm going to do it , but keep putting it off . . . . I need to stop procrastinating .

I think I'll use my passport though , or maybe both .

Put all the pictures on a few discs , and stash them in a few different places . . . probably give a copy to my parents as well .

Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:32:51 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Zcwilkins:



Originally Posted By ken_mays:


Originally Posted By maleante:

If you have these associated with your firearms, you shouldn't have a problem... nobody is going to argue with that.



http://asjewelers.com/FRstuff/16/Transfer_Tax.jpg




Fuck that.




That's about the only thing that's 100% secure. Even if you have a receipt, or a dated photo with the firearm, that doesn't prove it wasn't subsequently sold, does it?


Bingo





 
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:35:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Chas8008:

Originally Posted By Zcwilkins:
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By maleante:
If you have these associated with your firearms, you shouldn't have a problem... nobody is going to argue with that.

http://asjewelers.com/FRstuff/16/Transfer_Tax.jpg


Fuck that.


That's about the only thing that's 100% secure. Even if you have a receipt, or a dated photo with the firearm, that doesn't prove it wasn't subsequently sold, does it?

Bingo

 


Not a practical solution for 90% of the guns I own.
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:43:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2012 7:49:17 AM EDT by GurkaDin]


Whatever happened "possession is 9/10s of the law?"

Since the victim is trying to get his guns back I guess the police didn't find any drugs.
Had OP linked us up we would have more info
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:43:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By Chas8008:

Originally Posted By Zcwilkins:
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By maleante:
If you have these associated with your firearms, you shouldn't have a problem... nobody is going to argue with that.

http://asjewelers.com/FRstuff/16/Transfer_Tax.jpg


Fuck that.


That's about the only thing that's 100% secure. Even if you have a receipt, or a dated photo with the firearm, that doesn't prove it wasn't subsequently sold, does it?

Bingo

 


Not a practical solution for 90% of the guns I own.


Or 90% of the rest of the "little" people on this site.

So pretty much cops can do whatever they want, take whatever they desire, and get away with it. Is that what people are trying to say?
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 7:46:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jimmeh:
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By Chas8008:

Originally Posted By Zcwilkins:
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By maleante:
If you have these associated with your firearms, you shouldn't have a problem... nobody is going to argue with that.

http://asjewelers.com/FRstuff/16/Transfer_Tax.jpg


Fuck that.


That's about the only thing that's 100% secure. Even if you have a receipt, or a dated photo with the firearm, that doesn't prove it wasn't subsequently sold, does it?

Bingo

 


Not a practical solution for 90% of the guns I own.


Or 90% of the rest of the "little" people on this site.

So pretty much cops can do whatever they want, take whatever they desire, and get away with it. Is that what people are trying to say?


Yes.
If you want a good story involving the ATF and local police, IM "bluelogo"...
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 8:02:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/2/2012 8:14:11 AM EDT by Jimmeh]
Originally Posted By maleante:
Originally Posted By Jimmeh:
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By Chas8008:

Originally Posted By Zcwilkins:
Originally Posted By ken_mays:
Originally Posted By maleante:
If you have these associated with your firearms, you shouldn't have a problem... nobody is going to argue with that.

http://asjewelers.com/FRstuff/16/Transfer_Tax.jpg


Fuck that.


That's about the only thing that's 100% secure. Even if you have a receipt, or a dated photo with the firearm, that doesn't prove it wasn't subsequently sold, does it?

Bingo

 


Not a practical solution for 90% of the guns I own.


Or 90% of the rest of the "little" people on this site.

So pretty much cops can do whatever they want, take whatever they desire, and get away with it. Is that what people are trying to say?


Yes.
If you want a good story involving the ATF and local police, IM "bluelogo"...


So what's the point in even owning a gun then?

The Registration leads to confiscation crowd may disagree, but I'd gladly register everything I own if it meant not dealing with bullshit like this. They're going to take it either way,  so what's the point?
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 9:49:10 AM EDT




Originally Posted By maleante:

If you have these associated with your firearms, you shouldn't have a problem... nobody is going to argue with that.



http://asjewelers.com/FRstuff/16/Transfer_Tax.jpg




yes even with one I had problems, from the ATF.



That is not a get out of jail card



Link Posted: 7/2/2012 9:55:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GurkaDin:


Whatever happened "possession is 9/10s of the law?"


Nothing 'happened' to it- it was never a legal concept, just some drivel mumbled by people who know very little about anything.

Who says this? You know any lawyers who say it? Where is it codified?
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 11:09:55 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:



Originally Posted By AR15-SBR:

What ever happened to the old saying possession was 9/10ths of the law.



That's the thing, it's just a saying.  



That's also the other thing... THEY would have them in this situation, not OP.

 
Link Posted: 7/2/2012 11:20:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:

Originally Posted By maleante:
If you have these associated with your firearms, you shouldn't have a problem... nobody is going to argue with that.

http://asjewelers.com/FRstuff/16/Transfer_Tax.jpg


yes even with one I had problems, from the ATF.

That is not a get out of jail card



What were your problems?
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 4:36:09 AM EDT



Originally Posted By maleante:






What were your problems?


LSS



Dealer was thrown in jail during F4 processing, ATF took all his stuff. I had a form 4 and receipt for MG. They jerked me around saying I could not get it. After threats of a lawyer they just found enough time out of there busy schedule to give it back.



Fuck the ATF.



 
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 4:45:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15-SBR:
What ever happened to the old saying possession was 9/10ths of the law.  

AR15-SBR



has anyone heard this line being used on "baitcar"?

Link Posted: 7/3/2012 4:59:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:

Originally Posted By maleante:


What were your problems?

LSS

Dealer was thrown in jail during F4 processing, ATF took all his stuff. I had a form 4 and receipt for MG. They jerked me around saying I could not get it. After threats of a lawyer they just found enough time out of there busy schedule to give it back.

Fuck the ATF.
 


Wow. Glad you got your machine gun. Fuck that noise.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 5:03:05 AM EDT
I thought the police were supposed to give a receipt when they take them
 
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 5:11:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WildApple:
I thought the police were supposed to give a receipt when they take them  


Many departments refuse to issue receipts for contraband.  When they seize guns, they claim they are contraband.  Nice trick, huh?
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 7:21:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch:
Originally Posted By WildApple:
I thought the police were supposed to give a receipt when they take them  


Many departments refuse to issue receipts for contraband.  When they seize guns, they claim they are contraband.  Nice trick, huh?


Crooked fucking gestapo cocksuckers . That aint the first time I've heard of that either , not by a long shot .

One day there'll be a reckoning for douchebags like that , they'll reap what they've sown .
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 7:24:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch:
Originally Posted By WildApple:
I thought the police were supposed to give a receipt when they take them  


Many departments refuse to issue receipts for contraband.  When they seize guns, they claim they are contraband.  Nice trick, huh?


There is still a paper trail, and there is still a return/inventory if it's seized pursuant to a court order (like a search warrant or a levy) that you'll get a copy of.

They can claim whatever they want. File a detinue action, name the officer(s) personally along with the locality. Go on offense, make them defend their seizure and explain why it's "contraband."
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 7:25:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SuperMoose:
Originally Posted By TaylorWSO:

Originally Posted By maleante:


What were your problems?

LSS

Dealer was thrown in jail during F4 processing, ATF took all his stuff. I had a form 4 and receipt for MG. They jerked me around saying I could not get it. After threats of a lawyer they just found enough time out of there busy schedule to give it back.

Fuck the ATF.
 


Wow. Glad you got your machine gun. Fuck that noise.


yep, what he said.
Link Posted: 7/3/2012 7:31:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GurkaDin:


Whatever happened "possession is 9/10s of the law?"

Since the victim is trying to get his guns back I guess the police didn't find any drugs.
Had OP linked us up we would have more info


Article is irrelevant to the question.
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