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Posted: 12/11/2013 3:25:53 PM EST

Least that one was thought out.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 3:27:19 PM EST
Let them suffer the same way the rest of us do. They don't deserve special protections just because they're gay.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 3:30:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
Let them suffer the same way the rest of us do. They don't deserve special protections just because they're gay.
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My opinion is if Gays wanna marry let em...........They can either be miserable or happy together....Just like straight couples.
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My issue is the government should have no say in marraige. Marraige is a religious covenant and it should be up to the particular church, temple, mosque, or teepee.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:23:16 PM EST
Well I'll fuck her in the ass and call her Shirley.....
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:25:29 PM EST
If I was a chick, I would choose to be a lesbo, too. Because titties.

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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:27:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:
If I was a chick, I would choose to be a lesbo, too. Because titties.

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Yup...honestly I probably wouldn't leave the house
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:28:18 PM EST
Why should the joys of divorce only be enjoyed by us straight folks?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:29:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By optimator:
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Kind of my viewpoint too. It's not like people don't live together without being married or anything,
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:29:46 PM EST
Didn't the pilgrims chose to have secular marriages?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:33:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
My issue is the government should have no say in marraige. Marraige is a religious covenant and it should be up to the particular church, temple, mosque, or teepee.
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So what about those of us that have no use for the church or organized religion? Does the state get to step in then or should the church be forced to do it? As far as I am concerned marriage is a legal contract, not a religious covenant.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:36:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LCPL4ever:
Yup...honestly I probably wouldn't leave the house
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If I was a chick, I would choose to be a lesbo, too. Because titties.

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Yup...honestly I probably wouldn't leave the house


No shit. Id be slapping my own tits around all fucking day. I would need a work-from-home job, so my career didnt interfere with my titty slapping.

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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:42:00 PM EST
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No shit. Id be slapping my own tits around all fucking day. I would need a work-from-home job, so my career didnt interfere with my titty slapping.

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Originally Posted By LCPL4ever:
Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:
If I was a chick, I would choose to be a lesbo, too. Because titties.

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Yup...honestly I probably wouldn't leave the house


No shit. Id be slapping my own tits around all fucking day. I would need a work-from-home job, so my career didnt interfere with my titty slapping.

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Webcam = work from home titty slapping job.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:51:39 PM EST
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Webcam = work from home titty slapping job.
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Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:
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Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:
If I was a chick, I would choose to be a lesbo, too. Because titties.

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Yup...honestly I probably wouldn't leave the house


No shit. Id be slapping my own tits around all fucking day. I would need a work-from-home job, so my career didnt interfere with my titty slapping.

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Webcam = work from home titty slapping job.


Sonofabitch, you are onto something!

That sir, is genius.



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Originally Posted By NineLivez:

So what about those of us that have no use for the church or organized religion? Does the state get to step in then or should the church be forced to do it? As far as I am concerned marriage is a legal contract, not a religious covenant.
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Originally Posted By NineLivez:
Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
My issue is the government should have no say in marraige. Marraige is a religious covenant and it should be up to the particular church, temple, mosque, or teepee.

So what about those of us that have no use for the church or organized religion? Does the state get to step in then or should the church be forced to do it? As far as I am concerned marriage is a legal contract, not a religious covenant.

As far as the .gov goes, there should only be "civil unions".
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:55:30 PM EST
Poster makes a valid point.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:57:17 PM EST
This is how I feel if they can find a church willing to marry them let it happen.

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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:59:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By nicholasgentges:
This is how I feel if they can find a church willing to marry them let it happen.


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Originally Posted By nicholasgentges:
This is how I feel if they can find a church willing to marry them let it happen.

Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
My issue is the government should have no say in marraige. Marraige is a religious covenant and it should be up to the particular church, temple, mosque, or teepee.


Yep
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 4:59:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
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The State is a religion.

Hell a good number of GD are ardent followers.

Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:00:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Jag-grad:


Webcam = work from home titty slapping job.
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Originally Posted By NY_Shooter:
If I was a chick, I would choose to be a lesbo, too. Because titties.

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Yup...honestly I probably wouldn't leave the house


No shit. Id be slapping my own tits around all fucking day. I would need a work-from-home job, so my career didnt interfere with my titty slapping.

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Webcam = work from home titty slapping job.


I know that web site ... I haven't been over there in a while, I'm going to go over there and do some research on this subject so I can speak more intelligently about it here. Be back in a few..


Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:03:54 PM EST
Get married....I don't give a shit.

But call it something different....."marriage" is already defined.

You're cheapening my shit.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:08:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By distortion9:
Get married....I don't give a shit.

But call it something different....."marriage" is already defined.

You're cheapening my shit.
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What do they call divorces? Uncivil splits?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:11:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
My issue is the government should have no say in marraige. Marraige is a religious covenant and it should be up to the particular church, temple, mosque, or teepee.
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Well, marriage used to be a matter of significant public interest, back when parents actually had to be responsible for their progeny.

Now, however, it doesn't seem to matter in many cases, since .gov will just take over if baby-daddy isn't available or has too many kids with too many women to support them all.

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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:12:06 PM EST
So one group of children wants to feel special by having the title of marriage bestowed on them, and get mad when another group wants to have that title too.

Children vs children.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:13:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By distortion9:
Get married....I don't give a shit.

But call it something different....."marriage" is already defined.

You're cheapening my shit.
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I'm on your side and have wrestled with this, but the drive through Vegas marriages and celebrity "marriages" doesn't help us in the "cheapening."
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:18:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
Let them suffer the same way the rest of us do. They don't deserve special protections just because they're gay.
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That!!
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:30:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By distortion9:
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How's this? And why are you letting someone else's definition of marriage affect your perception of the union with your husband?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:44:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
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I agree. .gov should only concern itself with civil unions. not marriage.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:48:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NineLivez:

So what about those of us that have no use for the church or organized religion? Does the state get to step in then or should the church be forced to do it? As far as I am concerned marriage is a legal contract, not a religious covenant.
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Originally Posted By NineLivez:
Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
My issue is the government should have no say in marraige. Marraige is a religious covenant and it should be up to the particular church, temple, mosque, or teepee.

So what about those of us that have no use for the church or organized religion? Does the state get to step in then or should the church be forced to do it? As far as I am concerned marriage is a legal contract, not a religious covenant.

I would argue that a legal contract is a civil union, and a marriage is a religious covenant. the two should be different, and there should be no government benefit or penalty for a religious covenant.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 5:50:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
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This.
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Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
So one group of children wants to feel special by having the title of marriage bestowed on them, and get mad when another group wants to have that title too.

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Because marriage in western culture has historically been a mechanism for legitimizing the Inheritance of property from parent to child and codifying rights and responsibilities w/in the family unit w/ regards to a man, woman and children relationship. As such, it is by its nature not applicable to same sex relationships.

If a civil contract granting certain benefits and duties to people outside of a traditional marriage is beneficial and warranted, why link it to sex at all. Why should people outside of a committed emotional or sexual relationship be denied certain benefits.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 6:36:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
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I think I see what you did there
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 6:36:50 PM EST
Get government out of marriage. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted By stutzcattle:
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This was always my attitude on the whole gay thing, until I realized marriage is not a government matter. It is a religious matter ONLY. It is so mainstream that it has separated itself from the church completely in some cases but that doesn't change what it really is. Being as its a religious ting they get to say who can do it. What NEEDS to happen is get the government out of marriage in EVERY way and then let the religious people handle their own stuff.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 6:56:43 PM EST
I still don't get it. Nobody has said gays can't marry someone of the opposite sex. That would actually be discrimination....
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 6:56:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Woodsrider:

I would argue that a legal contract is a civil union, and a marriage is a religious covenant. the two should be different, and there should be no government benefit or penalty for a religious covenant.
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Originally Posted By Woodsrider:
Originally Posted By NineLivez:
Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
My issue is the government should have no say in marraige. Marraige is a religious covenant and it should be up to the particular church, temple, mosque, or teepee.

So what about those of us that have no use for the church or organized religion? Does the state get to step in then or should the church be forced to do it? As far as I am concerned marriage is a legal contract, not a religious covenant.

I would argue that a legal contract is a civil union, and a marriage is a religious covenant. the two should be different, and there should be no government benefit or penalty for a religious covenant.

Thats all well and good, as long as a church marriage is separate from the government, no tax breaks or any other .gov benefits. Maybe everyone should have a CU to cover the legal aspect and those who wish can also have a separate church wedding to get right with whatever god they need to please.
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Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
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Yep
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Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
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It's actually a family covenant.
There is NO biblical example of anyone being married in a church.

Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:02:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
So one group of children wants to feel special by having the title of marriage bestowed on them, and get mad when another group wants to have that title too.

Children vs children.
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Your premise contains your conclusion.
That is the logical fallacy of begging the question.
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Originally Posted By SirSmeggle:
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Ditto.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:03:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 2ndamendmentknights:


I'm on your side and have wrestled with this, but the drive through Vegas marriages and celebrity "marriages" doesn't help us in the "cheapening."
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Originally Posted By 2ndamendmentknights:
Originally Posted By distortion9:
Get married....I don't give a shit.

But call it something different....."marriage" is already defined.

You're cheapening my shit.


I'm on your side and have wrestled with this, but the drive through Vegas marriages and celebrity "marriages" doesn't help us in the "cheapening."



Exactly.
Marriage was destroyed by the heteros way before the gays got interested.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:05:51 PM EST
everybody should have the right to be unhappy and not get any.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:15:32 PM EST
No people are born assholes cunt. Someone should follow her around with an I was born a racist sign.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:23:02 PM EST
Gays can get married. Lots of gays from my highschool got married, had a wedding and everything.

The question is whether or not the government should acknowledge the marriage. I haven't heard a single argument for this. I'm honestly undecided, I would like to hear the pro-gay reasons why they should be recognized, as opposed to "why do you care what they do in the bedroom" type argument. I'm also curious as to whether this would open the door for people to marry dogs next. Man's best friend and all.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:34:21 PM EST
funny
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Originally Posted By jestice75:
Gays can get married. Lots of gays from my highschool got married, had a wedding and everything.

The question is whether or not the government should acknowledge the marriage. I haven't heard a single argument for this. I'm honestly undecided, I would like to hear the pro-gay reasons why they should be recognized, as opposed to "why do you care what they do in the bedroom" type argument. I'm also curious as to whether this would open the door for people to marry dogs next. Man's best friend and all.
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The "pro-gay" reasons that "gay marriage" should be recognized have to do with things like rights of survivorship and the shit-ton of laws that use the words "spouse" and "married". The only reason that gay people aren't in favor of just having the government recognize "civil unions" has to do with the language of existing laws. "Civil union" is not mentioned as much. Getting "gay marriage" recognized is seen as a protection from a spouse being denied a benefit or being excluded from insurance because the policy says "married" not "civil union".

In fact all marriages that involve a marriage license and a ceremony performed by an ordained (certified by the state) minister or judge are really civil unions. Whether the ceremony took place in a church or had a religious ceremony associated with it is of no consequence of the state, they really don't care. But if you don't have that license in many places, you aren't married (sometimes common law marriage does take effect after a length of cohabitation).

I see the argument against gay marriage as religious bigotry thinly veiled as a semantic misunderstanding.
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