
Posted: 3/28/2002 9:59:56 PM EDT
Senator Don Perata strikes again he is proposing a five cent tax on every round of ammunition sold in california even .22's If this makes it to the November ballot we have got to vote against this. Either way I am stocking up now I fugure 10.000 rounds of each caliber I use would last a year or two. Perata says the money from this tax would help pay for emergency rooms and trauma centers. I would not be suprised if they try to make it illegal to import /purchase ammo from other states. Ammoman.com here I come.
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Where's Imbroglio?
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"You can watch things happen, you can make things happen, or you can wonder what the fuck just happened." ~ Phil Harris RIP
"Differing opinions are not trolling." ~ The_Beer_Slayer |
Why am I not surprised? I suppose this is a result of his being pissed about failing to requalify for his CCW in 2K...
Fortunately, I travel by road rather extensively...
FFZ
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That fu*ker will never be satisfied.
I think Simon already aid he won't go for it, but if Davis signs it before Simon takes office, then we're screwed. In any case, it's just another reason to go to the out-of-state gun shows.
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"Okay, but I'm not good at details, or the big picture. I also show up late, and drunk. I've got a good feeling about this."
- Homer Simpson |
Wait a second!!! I thought you guys said to sell all of my guns and build a "Panic room" ,WTF!!!!! You guys didn't sell or what ???[;D]
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Imagine a man when it all began
The pilot of "Enola Gay" Flying out of the shockwave on that August day All the powers that be, and the course of history, Would be changed forevermore... |
Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
Wait a second!!! I thought you guys said to sell all of my guys and build a "Panic room" ,WTF!!!!! You guys didn't sell or what ???[;D] View Quote |
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"You can watch things happen, you can make things happen, or you can wonder what the fuck just happened." ~ Phil Harris RIP
"Differing opinions are not trolling." ~ The_Beer_Slayer |
Know whats reeeeeeeaaally sad?
Not only are you kalifornians gonna pay .05 cents on the round, but your gonna fund the government with (high)state tax's to provide the bureaucracy for the collection!!!
OH MAN, YOU KALIFORNIANS ARE A HOOT!!
[size=5]Cut your losses and MOVE![/size=5]
Hit kalifornia where it hurts! Pay your state taxs to a state that allows freedom! Washington, Idaho, Florida, Arizona.... Pick one.
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Pacifism is a privilege of the protected |
Originally Posted By Boom Stick:
[size=5]Cut your losses and MOVE![/size=5]
Hit kalifornia where it hurts! Pay your state taxs to a state that allows freedom! Washington, Idaho, Florida, Arizona.... Pick one. View Quote |
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"You can watch things happen, you can make things happen, or you can wonder what the fuck just happened." ~ Phil Harris RIP
"Differing opinions are not trolling." ~ The_Beer_Slayer |
Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
[size=5]WHOA![/size=5] Welcome to Washington, now go home. View Quote Hit kalifornia where it hurts! Pay your state taxs to a state that allows freedom! Texas, [s]Washington[/s], Idaho, Florida, Arizona.... Pick one. View Quote |
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Pacifism is a privilege of the protected |
How about Nevada where there's no state income tax? I'm sure they get you other ways though.
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"Okay, but I'm not good at details, or the big picture. I also show up late, and drunk. I've got a good feeling about this."
- Homer Simpson |
Originally Posted By mattja:
I'm sure they get you other ways though. View Quote |
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"You can watch things happen, you can make things happen, or you can wonder what the fuck just happened." ~ Phil Harris RIP
"Differing opinions are not trolling." ~ The_Beer_Slayer |
You folks in CA need to buy 10,000 rounds of ammunition for each gun you own in case that bill passes.
And if it does, you should use it.
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Originally Posted By mattja:
How about Nevada where there's no state income tax? I'm sure they get you other ways though. View Quote |
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Imagine a man when it all began
The pilot of "Enola Gay" Flying out of the shockwave on that August day All the powers that be, and the course of history, Would be changed forevermore... |
Have you kalidiots ever heard of something that happened years ago over a tax called "The Boston Tea Party"?
Oh wait, I forgot this proposal is about taxing ammunition! Now if it were over placing a tax on Starbucks coffee then you would be rioting in the streets right now.
I'm sure that the "pro-gun" gop will counter with a bill that will phase in the tax over 2 years. Hahaha!
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Dont you people vote? How the Hell do these idiots get into office?
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[b]Western WA is crowded with too many liberal-minded voters[/b]. Just look at the election district polling. In every national primary, The majority of W. WA conties alway poll out as liberal/left/pinko, and the elected governor has been a democrat for at least the last 2 elections (Don't know about the predecessor to Lowry). The WA constitution isn't a bad one - seems to ensure an individual's RKBA - but I understand that local troops have been asked if they'd follow an order to confiscate (They responded in the negative), so the motivation is out there, if not the means. But these things tend to creep up slowly.
WA used to be a CIII-firnedly place, but this got repealed sometime ago. Jim Ryan, owner of TacOrd, moved the biz to ID partly due to the repeal of CIII rights in WA. Now, only those who've owned their CIII firearms prior to a specific date (Sorry - I can't recall it) can keep their CIII toys. All others have to sell them off, or turn them in.
Still, it's not too bad. Though CIII firearms are not allowed, supressors are legal. I lived in Kali back when you could still legally have fun, and it was never as good as this. I left there just in time.
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Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
supressors are legal View Quote |
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"You can watch things happen, you can make things happen, or you can wonder what the fuck just happened." ~ Phil Harris RIP
"Differing opinions are not trolling." ~ The_Beer_Slayer |
Originally Posted By Confederate:
Dont you people vote? How the Hell do these idiots get into office? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Ramsos:
Senator Don Perata strikes again he is proposing a five cent tax on every round of ammunition sold in california even .22's View Quote |
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www.LifeLibertyEtc.com Pro-gun stuff for pro-gun folks
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Originally Posted By sulaco:
Originally Posted By Confederate:
Dont you people vote? How the Hell do these idiots get into office? View Quote View Quote |
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Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
supressors are legal View Quote View Quote |
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"I'm praying for mayhem.
I'm praying for tidal waves.
I want to see the ground give way.
I want to watch it all go down."
Learn to swim fellas.
Now I know someone here knows where this came from.
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Since it is a small portion of the buttheads proposing this and a string of other laws. work in other area to elect others who will not go for this.
Talking points:
Sarah Brady bought a rifle for her son -- they can't be all that bad, Can they?
Democrats saved millions in electricity costs and now want to rais something like 1.4 billion dollars to pay for it.
For the blue hairs that make over $25,000, California democrats are taxing you outrageously and not delevering one service for it.
The seniors are facing higher and higher energy costs on a fixed budget - thanks to the democrats.
Put the blame on the democrats for everything that is wrong.
The crime rate has gone up and so have the gun laws -- do you feel safer yet? Thank a democrat.
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Allege 1993 [b]feinstein/hci[/b] master plan
for TOTAL Gun Confiscation Dis-Armament.
[size=1]* Taxes on ammo, Dealers licenses & guns to offset the medical costs
to society.
15 Control of Ammunition belonging to Certain Surplus Firearms
Senator Moynihan has already proposed a tax or ban on .22LR, 32
acp, 25 acp and 9mm ammo, however, it has been pointed out to us
that there is an extreme proliferation of high powered surplus rifles
(i.e. the Mosin-Nagant series and the Enfield series) in which the
wholesale prices are as low as $45-$75. We suggest that to control
the proliferation of violence associated with the large numbers of
these types of weapons entering this country that we ban the
importation of their ammunition, 7.64x54R [sic] and .303 R surplus
ammunition.
21 A National License for Ammunition
This is an idea whose time has come. We should look at a Federal
License for purchasing of ammunition of all kinds. A special form
should be forwarded to a new federal office to track those who are
purchasing too much ammunition. Remember that a gun is useless
without ammunition.
III. _An Estimate of the fiscal impact of the licensing of firearms
ownership:_
_Worst Case:_ _Best Case:_
Federal Handgun License: $50 $625
Federal Rifle & Shotgun License: $30 $148
State Gun License Fee: $74 $150
Local Gun License Fee: $48 $113
Arsenal License Fee: $300 $1,000
Safe License Fee: $228 $392
Ammunition License Fee: $55 $117
Re-Loading License Fee: $130 $175
Ammo Safe License Fee: $55 $75
Ammo Inspection Fee: $588 $678
_Total Annual Cost:_ _$1,558_ _$3,473_[/size=1]
Another Coincidence.
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for TOTAL Gun Confiscation Dis-Armament.
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Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
Originally Posted By mattja:
How about Nevada where there's no state income tax? I'm sure they get you other ways though. View Quote View Quote |
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"Okay, but I'm not good at details, or the big picture. I also show up late, and drunk. I've got a good feeling about this."
- Homer Simpson |
Originally Posted By Confederate:
Dont you people vote? How the Hell do these idiots get into office? View Quote |
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"Okay, but I'm not good at details, or the big picture. I also show up late, and drunk. I've got a good feeling about this."
- Homer Simpson |
Sounds like it is time to either move or start re-loading your own ammo. I am so glad I moved out of that state 10 years ago. I have family that lives in the bay area and am going to go on a houseboat this summer at shasta.So called the attorney generals office today to find out if I could bring my AR-15 into the state. They said no way, then I asked well what if I was just passing through to another state, they told me that I would be commititting a felony just for driveing through the state with an assualt weapon that was not registered. What a messed up state. They said that I would be charged with illegal transporting of an assault rifle. I was so pissed that I had to get off the phone. I am going to need to dig a little deeper and get actual penal code numbers to back up what this idiot was saying. I have looked at the penal codes on californias attorney generals web site concerning firearms and cannnot make much out of most of the legal jargon, and I could not find anything that said that one could not pass through the state with an assualt rifle. Anyway what a messed up state and it looks as if it is just getting worse, and to many of those liberal idiots are moveing north into Oregon and Washington and starting to ruin the fun.
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Since they insist on an opressive rule in Kalifornia, why not erect The Great Wall of Kalifornia, for them. Only one catch, we get to control the crossing points.
"State your political affiliation, and the nature of your business in the United States please......I am sorry sir, at this time we are no longer allowing Liberals into this country on business. Not on pleasure either sir. I appologize for the inconvenience sir. Perhaps you should speak to your representatives about their policy choices over the past few decades, however, I cannot allow you to cross the border at this time. I am sorry that you feel that way, speak to your representatives, they brought this on you people."
I am young and strong of back, any volounteers?
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why have you californians not yet revolted??
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Originally Posted By the_survivalist:
why have you californians not yet revolted?? View Quote |
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"Okay, but I'm not good at details, or the big picture. I also show up late, and drunk. I've got a good feeling about this."
- Homer Simpson |
Originally Posted By mattja:
Originally Posted By the_survivalist:
why have you californians not yet revolted?? View Quote View Quote |
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Originally Posted By MinuteMan3:
So called the attorney generals office today to find out if I could bring my AR-15 into the state. They said no way, then I asked well what if I was just passing through to another state, they told me that I would be commititting a felony just for driveing through the state with an assualt weapon that was not registered. View Quote |
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I'm mean nasty&tired. I eat concertina wire&piss napalm and I can put a round through a fleas ass at 200 meters.
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hey guys its just a little cost that we in ca. have to pay and 5 cents a round really is not to bad! come on its like smoking do we really think that a 5 cent a round tax is going to stop us from buying ammo.
WOAH! man I'am just woke up from a night mare as for a minute I thought I was living back in sacramento, I better go look out the window and see if pikes peak is still there and wipe the sweat off my face.
ok I'am back man that was scarry.
just checked and there's only a few more spots left to move to here in my new state, better hurry. think I will open the window and get a little breath of fresh air ( thats freedom) to you folks in the peoples republic of californication.
man I like having fridays off lets see what I'am going to do today.
#1 take a nice shower and get dressed.
#2 kiss the wife before I leave as I will not see her till she gets off work later this evening.
#3 go to breakfast and read the paper.
#4 do a little garage saleing stops might find a gun at one , yes it does happen here!
#5 stop bye a few pawn shops and see if they put out any new guns I can't live with out.
#6 ok this one you guys in ca. just won't understand but I will tell it slowly for you.
stop buy the local police departments auction as they are auctioning off about 500 guns today they have to get rid of.
#7 go to a late lunch
#8 might go to the range but then again tommorrows another day.
and if I buy anything I get to take it home with me, I bet thats also a new one.
as for you folks that say I have a job I cant leave, I left 4 years ago and i'am doing better now than ever, and when things don't always go right i just tell my wife or myself hey! we could be back in ca.
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Originally Posted By the_survivalist:
a) new york cesspool and new york state are totally different things. in the state (at least my area) things are usually quite concervative.
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"Okay, but I'm not good at details, or the big picture. I also show up late, and drunk. I've got a good feeling about this."
- Homer Simpson |
Some Jacko Jackass congressjerk named patrick "da moron" moynihan once proposed a 10,000% tax on ammo. "Tax it out of existence" muttered the talking butthole.
Where do these aHoles come from?
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Originally Posted By 7:
Originally Posted By MinuteMan3:
So called the attorney generals office today to find out if I could bring my AR-15 into the state. They said no way, then I asked well what if I was just passing through to another state, they told me that I would be commititting a felony just for driveing through the state with an assualt weapon that was not registered. View Quote View Quote |
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Patriots are ordinary men who rise up to do extraordinary things in troubled times.
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While an individual sport shooter can go through thousands of rounds in a year, one box of cartridges will last a criminal his entire career. The criminal's contribution to the "trauma fund" would be $2.50.
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Originally Posted By the_survivalist:
why have you californians not yet revolted?? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By MinuteMan3:
Sounds like it is time to either move or start re-loading your own ammo. View Quote |
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DVDtracker asked where did I hear this. Well I heard it on the KTVU 10 o'clock news they showed punk a$$ Perata talking about it he said he expects to get attacked by pro gunners. He's right.
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I'm going to have to start shooting more people to get the full value out of my taxes.
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DO NOT MOVE TO AZ !!!!! It's hot, there is lots of dust, no vegitation except cactus, rattlesnakes are everywhere and no womenz !!!
move along, nothing to see here..........
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Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have fucked with?...... That's me
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Not that our government gives the proverbial rat's behind about our Constitution but the Minneapolis Star & Tribune (1983) challenged, on First Amendment grounds, a Minnesota use tax which applied only to high-volume use of newsprint and ink before the US Supreme Court. The Court held that a negative differential treatment of the press in tax issues violated the First Amendment in the absence of a counterbalancing interest of compelling importance.
Now, I'm not an attorney but it seems like this would be the good basis of argument against this bill becoming law and a challenge if it ever becomes law.
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Originally Posted By Boom Stick:
Know whats reeeeeeeaaally sad?
Not only are you kalifornians gonna pay .05 cents on the round, but your gonna fund the government with (high)state tax's to provide the bureaucracy for the collection!!!
OH MAN, YOU KALIFORNIANS ARE A HOOT!!
[size=5]Cut your losses and MOVE![/size=5]
Hit kalifornia where it hurts! [/Pay your state taxs to a state that allows freedom! Washington, Idaho, Florida, Arizona.... Pick one.] View Quote |
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Push for a 5 cent tax on stupid ideas that start from Wilshire and Rodeo and others that have their birth at One Montgomery to the north and you should be able to fund all of the state without the bullet tax!
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Originally Posted By Chida66:
"I'm praying for mayhem.
I'm praying for tidal waves.
I want to see the ground give way.
I want to watch it all go down."
Learn to swim fellas.
Now I know someone here knows where this came from. View Quote |
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Once we were a Nation of Riflemen
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The politicians treat us with total contempt and have no idea of what we may do if we are pushed too far, and this sh*t may be just the catalyst that the freedom loving people of California need to do what needs to be done. This garbage will continue until the commie bas*ards learn that there is a real cost to be paid for their actions and the cost will not be just getting hate mail or being in danger of loosing an election.
VINCE AUT MORIRE (Conquer or Die)
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Unlike everyone else, I'm not only ready to give you Californians a break, I'm ready to give you a DEAL!
Washington State will trade California two, THAT'S RIGHT, TWO, granola head liberals for every one conservative gun owner that relocates here from California. Is that a win-win situation or what? You can even have Bill Gates and the whole Microsoft company!
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And if you don't think this can pass, TENNESSEE has a per-bullet tax. Last time I wandered into a gunstore there, they had little tax stickers on every box of ammo, even .22LR. I think it was a penny a round. I just about [puke]d.
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As an Oregonian, my response is tough shit. You'all need to STAY IN CALIFORNIA and ROLL BACK THE TIDE.
STOP PERPETUATING THE KALI MINDSET ALL OVER THE WEST.
Now, lets talk about San Diego's efforts to STEAL WATER from the Trinity Mt. area in Nor Cal.....
STAY THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, one other thought - why not reload?
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Well, you Kali guys can always move to North Dakota. Since there are no people there, they have no laws. [;)]
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