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Posted: 10/29/2004 5:44:08 AM EST
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53 Years Later: Joe McCarthy 100% vindicated!

For 53 years the liberals, socialists, and the far left have used the term McCarthyism as a trump card used to silence the conservitive voices who dared to stand against them. Now the term can be put to final rest with the declassification and release of the NSA's Top Secret Venona Project.
Not only was Joe McCarthy totally correct in his exposing communist infiltration, it was far below the actual numbers of infiltrators that the Venona Project uncovered throughout the cold war.
We at The Patriot's Voice, through the F.O.I.A Act (Freedom of information act), has obtained copies of the declassified documents. Over the coming days and weeks we will be posting these documents. We encourage you to copy these documents and pass them around to anyone you know who doesn't have access to the internet. The word needs to get out.


Link Posted: 10/29/2004 5:51:02 AM EST
Yup. If someone with some more brains and savvy than Mr. "self-aggrandizing" McCarthy would have been at the center of things, this might have turned out to be quite a different world.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:00:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:01:24 AM EST
Still plenty of commies running around in the .gov today
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:05:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
I've never understood why so many of the Venona spies were Jews. Why would Jews in the US spy for the Soviet Union when Jews were so harshly oppressed there?



It's possible they had family there, and they were being used as leverage...

Classically there's only 4 or so motivations to spy...money, idealogy, coersion via blackmail of some kind...you get the idea.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 6:09:24 AM EST
Read "Treason" by Ann Coulter.

You will be seeing red for WEEKS.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:34:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
I've never understood why so many of the Venona spies were Jews. Why would Jews in the US spy for the Soviet Union when Jews were so harshly oppressed there?


Same reason Jews vote Democrappic today and try to ban guns (Schumer, Sugarman, etc.) -- they have a "gas chamber mentality".
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:36:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2004 7:37:21 AM EST by DoubleFeed]
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:44:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
I've never understood why so many of the Venona spies were Jews. Why would Jews in the US spy for the Soviet Union when Jews were so harshly oppressed there?


Many of the fouding socialist thinkers were Jewish and there were allot of socialist Jews prior to the Neo-Con revival. Remember when most went to Israel the kubuts they settled on were "collective farms."
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 7:54:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
I've never understood why so many of the Venona spies were Jews. Why would Jews in the US spy for the Soviet Union when Jews were so harshly oppressed there?



Remember, the Jews killed by Stalin was considered "a myth" by the left press. So American commies saw a potential "Utopia" being threatened by American aggression.

I recall seeing interviews with some British and American Russian spies in their 80's and 90's who said it was about "leveling the field." Weird.

Think of this...as Hamas and Hezbollah kill Jews around the world, there are contemporary Jews in the US who support the Euro left and campus liberalism, which is packed full of Anti-Semites(!!!!!)
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 8:30:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:
I've never understood why so many of the Venona spies were Jews. Why would Jews in the US spy for the Soviet Union when Jews were so harshly oppressed there?



Jews were never any more oppressed than anyone else in the USSR. There were always a disproportiante numbers of Jews in the Politboro, Central Committee and NKVD/KGB compared to their numbers in the population of the USSR as a whole. Communism in many ways is secularized Judiasm, Marx came from a rabinical family and adapted the concept of rabinical authority from the Talmud to what became the Soviet system. And Leon Trotsky/Lev Braunstein was an arch-Zionist who saw the Bolshevik Revolution as an opportunity to establish a Zionist state. Stalin himself didn't oppose the establishment of Israel because he felt it would be friendly to the USSR.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 9:12:40 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:12:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Jarhead_22:

Originally Posted By Jeepster:


There were always a disproportiate numbers of Jews in the Politboro, Central Committee and NKVD/KGB compared to their numbers in the population of the USSR as a whole.


You have some proof of this, no doubt.




Try a book titled "Iron Curtain Over America". It was written by a man named John Beaty who was a Colonel in MI during WW2 who helped write the daily briefings on the European Theater to the WH and JCS. Has great chapters on the Bolshevik revolution and the formation of Israel. Also great chapters on the Post War Occupation of Germany and the Fall of China to the Reds. $6.00 for a paperback on Amazon.

Solzhenitsyn is a great place to get alot of this background, especially his last book, but his works are tough reads due to the length. It's tough to recommend an 800 page book to someone. Solzhenitsyn was also accused of anti-Semitism late in his life, but I suppose after 20 years in the Gulag it didn't bother him too much.

"Iron Curtain Over America" is one of the greatest non-fiction books I've ever read. But then again, I'm someone who thinks FDR was a ComSymp.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:17:04 AM EST
Really?


Well before the final victory in Europe, the US Army began cnavassing prisoner of war camps in search of German soldiers who might have been involved in war crimes against soldiers and civilians in the American sectors, with particular attention to a search for the perpertrators of the Malmedy Massacre. Not untill several months after the war ended was search completed and five hundred former members of Kampfgruppe Peiper, along with their superiors, assembled for interragation.

Among them were the commander of the Sixth Panzer Army, Deitrich; his chief of staff, Kraemer; the commander of the 1st SS Panzer Corps, Priess; and Peiper himself. All for were charged with a illegal order in regard to the treatment of prisoners or with transmitting an illegal order and Peiper, in addition, with failing to give instructions on the disposition of prisoners of war.

Along with sixty-nine other suspects winnowed from the five hundred, the officers were transferred in th espring of 1946 to a detention barracks at the site of on eof the most notorious Nazi concentration camps at Dachau. The trial vegan at Dachau on May 16, officially designated as U.S. v. Valentin versin, et. al. (after the tank commander whos name came first alphabetically among the defendants). The prosecution charged that the defendants as a group

did willfully, deliberately, and wrongfully permit, encourage, aid, abet, and participate in the killing, shooting, ill treatment, abuse and torture of members of the Armed Forces of the United States of America, and of unarmed allied civilians

There was a seperate bill of particulars for each of the twenty four officers and forty nine noncomissioned officers and enlisted men.

Among the survivors of the massacre who testified for the prosecution either in pre-trial dispositions or at the trial were Lieutenant Lary and Sergeant Zach; and among the Belgian civilians, Andre Schroeder on the killings at Honsfeld and Madame Gregoire on the killings of civilians at Stavelot. Major McCown testified in defense of Peiper, basically to the effect that there were no killings of American prisoners at La Gleize and that Peiper an dhis men exhibited high military competence and treated their prisoners humainely.

During the course of the trial, the prosecution freely admitted gaining confessions through the use of hoods (as if the man was to be executed), false witnesses, and mock trials. All seventy three defendants were nevertheless convicted. On July 11 1946, they were sentneced:

to death: 43, including Peiper.
to life imprisonment: 22 including Dietrich.
to prison for 10, 15, or 20 years; 18, including Priess (20 years) and Kraemer (10 years).

The prisoners were transferred to Landsberg fortress, where Adolf Hitler had served time following his abortive putsch in Munich in 1923. An exhaustive review process than began. Each of the two review bords recommended reductions in some of the sentences, citing irregularities in pre-trial investigation sand the trial itself, including a number of questionable procedural rulings by the bench. As finally recommended by the Theater Judge Advocate for War Crimes to the commander of the American Zone of Occupation, General Lucius Clay, Dietrich's sentence of life imprisonment should be confirmed but thirteen convictions should be disallowed and only thirteen of the forty three death sentances (including Peiper's) should be carried out.

Those recommendations came only in the spring of 1948, by which time a Cold War had begun, and many Americans had come to look more kindly on their erstwhile enemy. Returned to civilian life, the chief defender, Col. Willis M. Everett, Jr. began a fervent campaign in behalf of the defendants. Like the review boards, Everett deplored both the methods used in pre-trial investigation (two of the principal interrorgators were German Jews who had emigrated to the United States upon the rise of Hitler) and the trial itself. Although Everett had never been in combat, he was convinced that the SS troops had acted without premeditation in the heat of battle and maintained that many an American soldier had killed prisoners under similar circumstances. Everett appealed to the Judge Advocate General in Washington, to the Supreme Court (which declined to hear the case), to the newspapers, and to a friend in Congress, who succeeded in getting the allegations before Secretary of the Army Kenneth Royall.

Royall created a three man commission t oreview Everett's allegations (the comission upheld the 13 death sentences) and called on General Clay in Germany for yet another review. Religious leaders and others in Germany began to appeal to the American Congress and to air their distress in the German Press. More stories- not always subastantiated of ill treatment of the prisoners emerged: broken teeth, blows to the genitals. Some of the American newspapers were soon expressing doubt about the findings of ALL war crimes trials and deploring the depths to which American military justice had sunk. A strange alliance of pacifists and right wing Anti-Semetic groups joined the din: on the other side were the Veterans organizations.

In March 1949 the Senate Armed Services Committee appointed a subcommittee to investigate the trial and Colonel Everett's allegations and invited the participation of a member of the Senate Investigations Subcommmittee who had tried unsuccessfully to obtain the investigation for his own subcommittee. He was a junior senator, eager to distract attention from his own indictment for unethical conduct as a attorney and judge in his home state and equally eager for exposure to establish himself on the national scene. Since some of his constituents were wealthy, right wing, and pro-German, the case was tailor made for him: Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin.

McCarthy made a circus of the hearings. To demonstrate that he new what was meant by the heat of battle, he paraded his own dubious war record as a pilot in the Pacific. It was pitiful, he shouted, that "16 or 17 year old boys" should be "kicked in the testicles, crippled for life". So often did McCarthy raise the subject o genitals that "It sometimes seemed that [he] beleved the quality of postwar American military justice to hinge on the condition of the sexual organs of German prisoners". He viciously attacked one of the pre-trial interrogators, a German-Jewish immigrant, and blunty accused him time after time with purjury. He wondered if the officer woudl submit to a lie detector test; there would be, he said snidely, "no kicking in the groin or anything like that."

On May 20, 1949, McCarthy issued a press release, then took the floor before the subcommittee to accuse the U.S. Army of "Gestapo and OGPU tactics" and the subcommittee of attempts to "whitewash" the army's conduct in the Malmedy case. Declaring th hearings a "shameful farce," he stalked out of the room, soon to find another cause celebre through which to project himself into the national limelight.

The final report of the Senate subcommittee proved or disproved nothing, but the widely publicized hearings put additional pressure on General Clay in Europe. Even as the hearings were underway, he commuted six of the thirteen remaining death sentences to life imprisonment. All the while furor was mounting in the German press, which with the end of military goverment had markedly increased. (Poor Peiper- his wife, his three blond children.) Yet another reveiw board conducted a continuing examination of all cases of war crimes, and before long, the seven remaining death sentences fo rthe Malmedy Massacre, including Peiper's were commuted to life imprisonment.

As the Federal Republic of Germany neared full sovereignty and acceptance into the European family of nations, custody of the remaining prisoners passed to the Germans, and a board composed of three Germans and a representative each of the United States, Great Britain, and France was empowered to make recommendations for clemency and parole. In 1954, the board reduced Peiper's sentence to thirty-fife years. In 1955, Dietrich was paroled; and shortly before Christmas, 1956, the last prisoner still in the Landsberg fortress, Joachim Peiper, having servied (including pre-trial detainment) eleven years, departed a free man.

Despite the campaign in Germany for the release of the Malmedy prisoners, Peiper found the enviroment hostile. He soon moved to Alsace to the village of Traves, where he supported himself and his family by translating books. All seemed well untill in the summer of 1976 a senasational article on the notorious resident of Traves appeared in the French Communist newspaper L'Humanite. Two weeks later fire bombs destroyed Peiper's house and killed the sixty year old former commander of Kampfgruppe Peiper.



Copied verbatum from the Epilogue of Charles B. MacDonalds A Time for Trumpets: The Untold Story of The Battle Of the Bulge, pages 620 to 623, of how the perpetrators of the Malmady Massacre mostly escaped justice through the efforts of one Senator McCarthy.

He was every bit a trator to his nation as John Kerry is now, just because he was a Republican does not excuse him.

The only justice for EIGHTY SIX American soldiers murdered in cold blood came from FRENCH COMMUNISTS thanks to that man.

Link Posted: 10/29/2004 10:57:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Really?


Well before the final victory in Europe, the US Army began cnavassing prisoner of war camps in search of German soldiers who might have been involved in war crimes against soldiers and civilians in the American sectors, with particular attention to a search for the perpertrators of the Malmedy Massacre. Not untill several months after the war ended was search completed and five hundred former members of Kampfgruppe Peiper, along with their superiors, assembled for interragation.

Among them were the commander of the Sixth Panzer Army, Deitrich; his chief of staff, Kraemer; the commander of the 1st SS Panzer Corps, Priess; and Peiper himself. All for were charged with a illegal order in regard to the treatment of prisoners or with transmitting an illegal order and Peiper, in addition, with failing to give instructions on the disposition of prisoners of war.

Along with sixty-nine other suspects winnowed from the five hundred, the officers were transferred in th espring of 1946 to a detention barracks at the site of on eof the most notorious Nazi concentration camps at Dachau. The trial vegan at Dachau on May 16, officially designated as U.S. v. Valentin versin, et. al. (after the tank commander whos name came first alphabetically among the defendants). The prosecution charged that the defendants as a group

did willfully, deliberately, and wrongfully permit, encourage, aid, abet, and participate in the killing, shooting, ill treatment, abuse and torture of members of the Armed Forces of the United States of America, and of unarmed allied civilians

There was a seperate bill of particulars for each of the twenty four officers and forty nine noncomissioned officers and enlisted men.

Among the survivors of the massacre who testified for the prosecution either in pre-trial dispositions or at the trial were Lieutenant Lary and Sergeant Zach; and among the Belgian civilians, Andre Schroeder on the killings at Honsfeld and Madame Gregoire on the killings of civilians at Stavelot. Major McCown testified in defense of Peiper, basically to the effect that there were no killings of American prisoners at La Gleize and that Peiper an dhis men exhibited high military competence and treated their prisoners humainely.

During the course of the trial, the prosecution freely admitted gaining confessions through the use of hoods (as if the man was to be executed), false witnesses, and mock trials. All seventy three defendants were nevertheless convicted. On July 11 1946, they were sentneced:

to death: 43, including Peiper.
to life imprisonment: 22 including Dietrich.
to prison for 10, 15, or 20 years; 18, including Priess (20 years) and Kraemer (10 years).

The prisoners were transferred to Landsberg fortress, where Adolf Hitler had served time following his abortive putsch in Munich in 1923. An exhaustive review process than began. Each of the two review bords recommended reductions in some of the sentences, citing irregularities in pre-trial investigation sand the trial itself, including a number of questionable procedural rulings by the bench. As finally recommended by the Theater Judge Advocate for War Crimes to the commander of the American Zone of Occupation, General Lucius Clay, Dietrich's sentence of life imprisonment should be confirmed but thirteen convictions should be disallowed and only thirteen of the forty three death sentances (including Peiper's) should be carried out.

Those recommendations came only in the spring of 1948, by which time a Cold War had begun, and many Americans had come to look more kindly on their erstwhile enemy. Returned to civilian life, the chief defender, Col. Willis M. Everett, Jr. began a fervent campaign in behalf of the defendants. Like the review boards, Everett deplored both the methods used in pre-trial investigation (two of the principal interrorgators were German Jews who had emigrated to the United States upon the rise of Hitler) and the trial itself. Although Everett had never been in combat, he was convinced that the SS troops had acted without premeditation in the heat of battle and maintained that many an American soldier had killed prisoners under similar circumstances. Everett appealed to the Judge Advocate General in Washington, to the Supreme Court (which declined to hear the case), to the newspapers, and to a friend in Congress, who succeeded in getting the allegations before Secretary of the Army Kenneth Royall.

Royall created a three man commission t oreview Everett's allegations (the comission upheld the 13 death sentences) and called on General Clay in Germany for yet another review. Religious leaders and others in Germany began to appeal to the American Congress and to air their distress in the German Press. More stories- not always subastantiated of ill treatment of the prisoners emerged: broken teeth, blows to the genitals. Some of the American newspapers were soon expressing doubt about the findings of ALL war crimes trials and deploring the depths to which American military justice had sunk. A strange alliance of pacifists and right wing Anti-Semetic groups joined the din: on the other side were the Veterans organizations.

In March 1949 the Senate Armed Services Committee appointed a subcommittee to investigate the trial and Colonel Everett's allegations and invited the participation of a member of the Senate Investigations Subcommmittee who had tried unsuccessfully to obtain the investigation for his own subcommittee. He was a junior senator, eager to distract attention from his own indictment for unethical conduct as a attorney and judge in his home state and equally eager for exposure to establish himself on the national scene. Since some of his constituents were wealthy, right wing, and pro-German, the case was tailor made for him: Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin.

McCarthy made a circus of the hearings. To demonstrate that he new what was meant by the heat of battle, he paraded his own dubious war record as a pilot in the Pacific. It was pitiful, he shouted, that "16 or 17 year old boys" should be "kicked in the testicles, crippled for life". So often did McCarthy raise the subject o genitals that "It sometimes seemed that [he] beleved the quality of postwar American military justice to hinge on the condition of the sexual organs of German prisoners". He viciously attacked one of the pre-trial interrogators, a German-Jewish immigrant, and blunty accused him time after time with purjury. He wondered if the officer woudl submit to a lie detector test; there would be, he said snidely, "no kicking in the groin or anything like that."

On May 20, 1949, McCarthy issued a press release, then took the floor before the subcommittee to accuse the U.S. Army of "Gestapo and OGPU tactics" and the subcommittee of attempts to "whitewash" the army's conduct in the Malmedy case. Declaring th hearings a "shameful farce," he stalked out of the room, soon to find another cause celebre through which to project himself into the national limelight.

The final report of the Senate subcommittee proved or disproved nothing, but the widely publicized hearings put additional pressure on General Clay in Europe. Even as the hearings were underway, he commuted six of the thirteen remaining death sentences to life imprisonment. All the while furor was mounting in the German press, which with the end of military goverment had markedly increased. (Poor Peiper- his wife, his three blond children.) Yet another reveiw board conducted a continuing examination of all cases of war crimes, and before long, the seven remaining death sentences fo rthe Malmedy Massacre, including Peiper's were commuted to life imprisonment.

As the Federal Republic of Germany neared full sovereignty and acceptance into the European family of nations, custody of the remaining prisoners passed to the Germans, and a board composed of three Germans and a representative each of the United States, Great Britain, and France was empowered to make recommendations for clemency and parole. In 1954, the board reduced Peiper's sentence to thirty-fife years. In 1955, Dietrich was paroled; and shortly before Christmas, 1956, the last prisoner still in the Landsberg fortress, Joachim Peiper, having servied (including pre-trial detainment) eleven years, departed a free man.

Despite the campaign in Germany for the release of the Malmedy prisoners, Peiper found the enviroment hostile. He soon moved to Alsace to the village of Traves, where he supported himself and his family by translating books. All seemed well untill in the summer of 1976 a senasational article on the notorious resident of Traves appeared in the French Communist newspaper L'Humanite. Two weeks later fire bombs destroyed Peiper's house and killed the sixty year old former commander of Kampfgruppe Peiper.



Copied verbatum from the Epilogue of Charles B. MacDonalds A Time for Trumpets: The Untold Story of The Battle Of the Bulge, pages 620 to 623, of how the perpetrators of the Malmady Massacre mostly escaped justice through the efforts of one Senator McCarthy.

He was every bit a trator to his nation as John Kerry is now, just because he was a Republican does not excuse him.

The only justice for EIGHTY SIX American soldiers murdered in cold blood came from FRENCH COMMUNISTS thanks to that man.


The REAL Dark Legacy of Eugene McCarthy.

His bloviating over commies was in fact true...but he took his act over the top and paid for it.

The facts are that the Dept. of State and to a lesser extent the DoD, were rife with Reds...as were lots of other Fed agencies just after the war. Remember...Communism wasn't the major bugaboo then that it became in the '50s and later...partly due to Senator McCarthy and other "right-thinking" American leaders. On the contrary...Communism was then pretty much considered to be a quaint "alternative" form of social compact between the state and the citizens. Many looked upon communism as a benevolent form of dictatorship...if only to fix the injustices then perceived in world society. Few people REALLY understood the baggage that the system carried with it. Few understood the incredible threat to mankind posed by the brutal Red party bastards in the CCCP and Red China. After all, during the war, they had been our allies. I have read the Venona papers, the book on the KGB and others...and I find it amazing how this all worked out and that the Cold War ended as it did.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:01:52 AM EST
You should read "Treason" by Ann Coulter. Its all in there.
Link Posted: 10/29/2004 11:13:05 AM EST
Krusczev said he would bury us and he meant it. He never said HOW he would achieve this goal. Now we know - from within!
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