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Posted: 5/19/2005 7:02:19 AM EDT
Pregnant girl defies ban

AP

MONTGOMERY, Alabama -- A pregnant student who was banned from graduation at her Roman Catholic high school announced her own name and walked across the stage anyway at the close of the program.

Alysha Cosby's decision prompted cheers and applause Tuesday from many of her fellow seniors at St. Jude Educational Institute.

But her mother and aunt were escorted out of the hall by police after Cosby headed back to her seat.

"I can't believe something like this is happening in 2005," said her mom, Sheila Cosby. "My daughter has been through a lot and I am proud of her. She deserved to walk, and she did."

The school's guidance counsellor delivered Cosby's diploma to her house earlier Tuesday, but she still wanted to participate.

Cosby was told in March that she could no longer attend school because of safety concerns, and her name was not listed in the graduation program.

The father of Cosby's child, also a senior at the school, was allowed to participate in graduation.

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:03:38 AM EDT
Double standard.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:04:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WaWaTuSi:
Pregnant girl defies ban

AP

MONTGOMERY, Alabama -- A pregnant student who was banned from graduation at her Roman Catholic high school announced her own name and walked across the stage anyway at the close of the program.

Alysha Cosby's decision prompted cheers and applause Tuesday from many of her fellow seniors at St. Jude Educational Institute.

But her mother and aunt were escorted out of the hall by police after Cosby headed back to her seat.

"I can't believe something like this is happening in 2005," said her mom, Sheila Cosby. "My daughter has been through a lot and I am proud of her. She deserved to walk, and she did."

The school's guidance counsellor delivered Cosby's diploma to her house earlier Tuesday, but she still wanted to participate.

Cosby was told in March that she could no longer attend school because of safety concerns, and her name was not listed in the graduation program.

The father of Cosby's child, also a senior at the school, was allowed to participate in graduation.




FWIW, I would have let her walk.

Safety concerns?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:04:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:04:48 AM EDT
It is a matter of religion, and therefore can only be addressed within the church.

Write to the new pope about it, maybe he will think it's not cool.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:05:00 AM EDT
Well, at least she gadgiated.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:05:55 AM EDT
I guess it was also for safety reasons that her name was omitted from the graduation program.

Asshats. Good for her.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:06:06 AM EDT
Good for her!!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:06:40 AM EDT
Solution. Keep your legs closed until after graduation if you attend a Catholic School. What did she expect. So much more about this pisses me off.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:08:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
I'm ecstatic that the young girl didn't 'opt out' for an abortion!

I suppose that would have been acceptable to the School.

But why they would permit the 'father' to participate in the graduation, if they weren't prepared to permit the pregnant young lady, is beyond me.

Eric The(Even-Keeled)Hun





+1



Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:13:55 AM EDT
I was expecting a post about a preggy teen chick manufacturing illegal machine guns.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:15:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 7:27:38 AM EDT by theliberating1]

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

But why they would permit the 'father' to participate in the graduation, if they weren't prepared to permit the pregnant young lady, is beyond me.




because it's the Catholic Church... the most hypocritical organization in the history of mankind.

3 Friends of mine were kicked out of my Catholic high school for smoking pot. Made me laugh that they only let one return the following year, it probably had nothing to do with the fact he was the first person in school history to score perfect on both the SATs and ACTs
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:17:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:24:50 AM EDT
I thought Catholic School Girls only did anal and oral? Something about it not really being sex.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:25:28 AM EDT
double standard, if they had not let the father walk it would be well within therights of the school
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:28:09 AM EDT
The story is disturbing to me (and I'm Catholic). Granted the young lady made a bad decision and got pregnant out of wedlock, at least she didn't make a worse decision and kill the baby. It's also disturbing that the baby's father was allowed to participate. Here's another story that has more details: LINKY

Pregnant student told to stay home

By Erica Pippins
Montgomery Advertiser

Alysha Cosby has looked forward to hearing her name called at high school graduation ever since she was a freshman.

Now Cosby, a senior at St. Jude Educational Institute, is worried that her own recent announcement to school officials might keep that from happening.

Cosby, 17, is 20 weeks pregnant and said she was told by administrators that she could no longer attend classes and would have to complete her studies from home.

"My education is the most important thing to me. The way I receive my education shouldn't change just because I am pregnant," said Cosby, who was informed of the administrators' decision on March 24 and has been homeschooled since that time.

"I've been on the honor roll pretty much through high school, and I have worked really hard to get to this point," she said. "I just don't want to be denied the chance to walk with my class because I am pregnant."

According to the 2004-2005 St. Jude student handbook, if a student becomes pregnant, she must notify the guidance department and administration as soon as she finds out. Cosby did so at nine weeks.

Though St. Jude is a Catholic school, Principal Johnny Mitchell said Cosby is not being "condemned" because she is pregnant. The school has not decided whether Cosby can take part in the May 17 commencement exercises, but Mitchell said he feels she should work from home due to "safety reasons."

"I don't want to penalize or make any student feel ostracized because they are having a baby. But I am concerned about her safety," Mitchell said. "We at St. Jude have no reason to mistreat any young lady or gentleman. Miss Cosby will still receive her degree."

School policy states that "medical safety, physiological well-being and social issues will be taken into consideration when deciding how long a student will attend classes or extracurricular activities; if/when she needs to begin homeschooling; and when she may return to school after the delivery of her child."

St. Jude does not have any elevators, which means students have to travel up and down stairs to get to class. Mitchell said Cosby tore her anterior cruciate ligament, or ACL, in her knee last year and had also experienced morning sickness a few times during class.

Cosby, who is considering filing a discrimination lawsuit, says she "got around just fine on crutches" after she was injured and wouldn't do anything to harm herself or her baby.

The child's father also is a student at St. Jude and has not been removed from class nor told he can't participate in graduation or senior activities.

"I've been here for nearly four years, and I don't remember any other pregnant girls being homeschooled," Cosby said. In a doctor's note dated March 31, 2005, Cosby's obstetrician writes that she is "fine to be at school until 9-01-05."

"I feel that if my doctor thinks it is OK, I should be allowed to go to school. Working from home is not the same, because you don't have the kind of help and interaction you get from being in the classroom," Cosby said.

But Mitchell, who is completing his first year as St. Jude's principal, said similar safety-related recommendations have been made at schools that fall under the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Mobile's umbrella.

He said Gwen Byrd, superintendent of schools for the archdiocese, supported his decision. Byrd could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Cosby said she would prefer to be back in school, but ultimately, she just wants to walk with her class. Her father is stationed in Rome, Italy, and is planning to come stateside to see her graduate.

"I would never do anything to make St. Jude look bad, and I am not speaking out now to paint it in a negative light. I love my school," Cosby said. "I've been looking forward to this moment ever since I was in ninth grade. It's not fair that it could be taken away from me just because I am having a baby."

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:32:03 AM EDT
'Safety Concerns'?!?!
What? Should pregnant women be paranoid about hurting themselves and their baby and live in a padded room or something until the child is born?
Thats a load of bull...
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:34:41 AM EDT
If this would have happened at an inner city school, & they wouldn't have let a black girl walk, you would have had Jesse, & Al protesting that it's racist.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:35:32 AM EDT
Getting pregnant when you're unmarried and 17 is not the wisest decision one can make.

Refusing to let one parent into graduation and not the other is a double standard, so I say good for her for violating the ban. It was unfair and wrongheaded, and she brought it to attention.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:37:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 7:38:34 AM EDT by wildearp]

Originally Posted By Happyshooter:
It is a matter of religion, and therefore can only be addressed within the church.

Write to the new pope about it, maybe he will think it's not cool.



Send the Pope money and he will fix it for you.

edit: I am Catholic and really do know how this part of the religion business system works.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 8:25:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 8:27:00 AM EDT by JB69]

Ok, so she tore her knee up, and was on crutches TOO.......


THAT explains a lot more about them not letting her attend school. Figure they were covering their asses, in case she slipped on the crutches and fell, injuring her/the baby.

Can smell a HUGE lawsuit if that happened. Not suprised they didn't want her around.


The graduation bit is still a little retarded though. Sounds like they were just being shitheads on that part.


Who knows....... Always three sides to every story.

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 8:52:35 AM EDT
Maybe it's about time Catholicism allowed birth control devices.

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 8:53:41 AM EDT
Safety Concerns?

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 8:58:04 AM EDT
You want to let pregnant teenage girls walk in graduation, or impose a fair and bilateral exclusion on both of the halfwit parents? OPEN YOUR OWN PRIVATE SCHOOL.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:00:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

But why they would permit the 'father' to participate in the graduation, if they weren't prepared to permit the pregnant young lady, is beyond me.




because it's the Catholic Church... the most hypocritical organization in the history of mankind.

3 Friends of mine were kicked out of my Catholic high school for smoking pot. Made me laugh that they only let one return the following year, it probably had nothing to do with the fact he was the first person in school history to score perfect on both the SATs and ACTs



Really? That's quite a statement.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:19:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 9:19:49 AM EDT by Az_Redneck]
Wow..I wonder how they would have handled the pregnant Virgin Mary at about 16 years old, unwed, and riding a donkey miles into a town and only being able to get a stable for the night to give birth and sleep in...



Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:20:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

But why they would permit the 'father' to participate in the graduation, if they weren't prepared to permit the pregnant young lady, is beyond me.




because it's the Catholic Church... the most hypocritical organization in the history of mankind.

3 Friends of mine were kicked out of my Catholic high school for smoking pot. Made me laugh that they only let one return the following year, it probably had nothing to do with the fact he was the first person in school history to score perfect on both the SATs and ACTs



Really? That's quite a statement.



It's quite a hypocritical religion and organization.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:20:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 9:25:27 AM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
I'm ecstatic that the young girl didn't 'opt out' for an abortion!

I suppose that would have been acceptable to the School.

But why they would permit the 'father' to participate in the graduation, if they weren't prepared to permit the pregnant young lady, is beyond me.

Eric The(Even-Keeled)Hun



I suspect there is a lot here we do not know.

From the 2 stories posted here this practice does not appear to be school policy as other pregnant girls have been allowed to finish classes and attend graduation ceremonies so there appears to be no double standard in play. So why treat this girl different for no reason... or do we have all the facts.

You don’t think it is a possibility the press would omit facts or mislead anyone do you. Don’t you think it is a strong possibility that something other than the pregnancy and injury or combination of factors caused the schools actions?

We all know the press would not slant a story…. Koran desecration mean anything?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:22:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

But why they would permit the 'father' to participate in the graduation, if they weren't prepared to permit the pregnant young lady, is beyond me.




because it's the Catholic Church... the most hypocritical organization in the history of mankind.

3 Friends of mine were kicked out of my Catholic high school for smoking pot. Made me laugh that they only let one return the following year, it probably had nothing to do with the fact he was the first person in school history to score perfect on both the SATs and ACTs



Really? That's quite a statement.



It's quite a hypocritical religion and organization.



The problem is this:

NOBODY can be (or do..) right 100% of the time.

If you hold to a set of morals or ideals higher than yourself, you will always fall short of them. That is NOT an excuse to quit holding to those ideals.

The only way to completely avoid hypocrisy is to say 'anything goes' and leave it at that.

YMMV.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:23:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

But why they would permit the 'father' to participate in the graduation, if they weren't prepared to permit the pregnant young lady, is beyond me.




because it's the Catholic Church... the most hypocritical organization in the history of mankind.

3 Friends of mine were kicked out of my Catholic high school for smoking pot. Made me laugh that they only let one return the following year, it probably had nothing to do with the fact he was the first person in school history to score perfect on both the SATs and ACTs



Really? That's quite a statement.



It's quite a hypocritical religion and organization.



The problem is this:

NOBODY can be (or do..) right 100% of the time.

If you hold to a set of morals or ideals higher than yourself, you will always fall short of them. That is NOT an excuse to quit holding to those ideals.

The only way to completely avoid hypocrisy is to say 'anything goes' and leave it at that.

YMMV.



I dont quite think we're on the same page here.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:24:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Doucheatron3000:
Getting pregnant when you're unmarried and 17 is not the wisest decision one can make.

Refusing to let one parent into graduation and not the other is a double standard, so I say good for her for violating the ban. It was unfair and wrongheaded, and she brought it to attention.



Exactly.

There are no winners here.....

I've ran into a couple people I went to high school and they have dropped out and have a kid.

Not a smart move considering you're really messing your future up.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:27:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Az_Redneck:
Wow..I wonder how they would have handled the pregnant Virgin Mary at about 16 years old, unwed, and riding a donkey miles into a town and only being able to get a stable for the night to give birth and sleep in...



Apparently, they wouldn't have let her walk in graduation, although they might well have made an exception in view of the fact that she was pregnant not as a result of screwing around with a fellow student, but as a result of divine intervention, and would be giving birth to the only begotten son of God. Wow. .any more questions?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:27:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tyman:

I dont quite think we're on the same page here.




Ok - it happens.



What did you mean?

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:34:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By tyman:

I dont quite think we're on the same page here.




Ok - it happens.



What did you mean?




Well, we're talking about things like Galileo, letting little boy molestors still be Priests/Fathers/whatever the fuck they are and not punishing them, AS WELL AS taking them out of the country to avoid prosecution, witch trials, all of the deaths/wars attributed to God.....etc and etc....
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:36:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By tyman:

I dont quite think we're on the same page here.




Ok - it happens.



What did you mean?




Well, we're talking about things like Galileo, letting little boy molestors still be Priests/Fathers/whatever the fuck they are and not punishing them, AS WELL AS taking them out of the country to avoid prosecution, witch trials, all of the deaths/wars attributed to God.....etc and etc....



What's the track record for the other organizations continuously operating across the same two millenia? I'll wait while you look that up.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:38:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By tyman:

I dont quite think we're on the same page here.




Ok - it happens.



What did you mean?




Well, we're talking about things like Galileo, letting little boy molestors still be Priests/Fathers/whatever the fuck they are and not punishing them, AS WELL AS taking them out of the country to avoid prosecution, witch trials, all of the deaths/wars attributed to God.....etc and etc....



Wow. That almost sounds like stuff worthy of a separate thread.


I guess if I had issues with that sort of thing, I, as the parent of the kid in question, might have chosen to send the kid to another school.

Unless, of course, I saw the good in sending my kids to a catholic school, in which case I might voluntarily send them there.

Unfortunately, by doing this - voluntarily - you kinda have to (by default) agree to live by their (hypocritcal, maybe) rules - which, in this case, the girl wasn't willing to do.

I would have let her walk.

But it's not my school.

Maybe the girl should try to seek to get the protocol for handling pregnant students changed.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:39:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:

Originally Posted By Az_Redneck:
Wow..I wonder how they would have handled the pregnant Virgin Mary at about 16 years old, unwed, and riding a donkey miles into a town and only being able to get a stable for the night to give birth and sleep in...



Apparently, they wouldn't have let her walk in graduation, although they might well have made an exception in view of the fact that she was pregnant not as a result of screwing around with a fellow student, but as a result of divine intervention, and would be giving birth to the only begotten son of God. Wow. .any more questions?



I'm very familiar with the story. For all intents and purposes, logic doesn't play a role in my statement. I was merely trying to show the similarities of the situation. Because of the veneration of Mary in the Catholic Church, it seems hypocritical and ironic at best. Maybe that's why I left the church...hmmm
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:44:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

But why they would permit the 'father' to participate in the graduation, if they weren't prepared to permit the pregnant young lady, is beyond me.




because it's the Catholic Church... the most hypocritical organization in the history of mankind.

3 Friends of mine were kicked out of my Catholic high school for smoking pot. Made me laugh that they only let one return the following year, it probably had nothing to do with the fact he was the first person in school history to score perfect on both the SATs and ACTs



That's impossible, everyone here says smoking pot makes you dumb.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:51:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

But why they would permit the 'father' to participate in the graduation, if they weren't prepared to permit the pregnant young lady, is beyond me.




because it's the Catholic Church... the most hypocritical organization in the history of mankind.

3 Friends of mine were kicked out of my Catholic high school for smoking pot. Made me laugh that they only let one return the following year, it probably had nothing to do with the fact he was the first person in school history to score perfect on both the SATs and ACTs



Really? That's quite a statement.



It's quite a hypocritical religion and organization.



It must be.

Nothing like wild hyperbole.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:25:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By tyman:

I dont quite think we're on the same page here.




Ok - it happens.



What did you mean?




Well, we're talking about things like Galileo, letting little boy molestors still be Priests/Fathers/whatever the fuck they are and not punishing them, AS WELL AS taking them out of the country to avoid prosecution, witch trials, all of the deaths/wars attributed to God.....etc and etc....



What's the track record for the other organizations continuously operating across the same two millenia? I'll wait while you look that up.



I'm not discriminate. I include ALL religions just the same as Catholicism.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:25:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 10:30:57 AM EDT by Shooter505]
Another fine example of why people dislike churches and some christians but do believe in God despite this type of behavior. The Hun has made an excellent point here about would it have been better if you she had an abortion and didn't say anything to anyone about it??
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:27:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By tyman:

Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87:

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

But why they would permit the 'father' to participate in the graduation, if they weren't prepared to permit the pregnant young lady, is beyond me.




because it's the Catholic Church... the most hypocritical organization in the history of mankind.

3 Friends of mine were kicked out of my Catholic high school for smoking pot. Made me laugh that they only let one return the following year, it probably had nothing to do with the fact he was the first person in school history to score perfect on both the SATs and ACTs



Really? That's quite a statement.



It's quite a hypocritical religion and organization.



It must be.

Nothing like wild hyperbole.


I dont think he was exaggerating, nor was I.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:33:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Double standard.



You can tell by looking at her that she is a whore. You can't say the same about guys.

I frankly don't blame the school for avoiding the appearance of approval.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:34:25 AM EDT
It's Alabama, what the hell do you expect.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:36:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tyman:
Maybe it's about time Catholicism allowed birth control devices.




You can do whatever you want, it's not like you are going to get locked up for using birth control. The Catholic Church just recognizes that birth control (and fornication) is an impediment to your relationship with God.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:38:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MonkeysUncle:

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Double standard.



You can tell by looking at her that she is a whore. You can't say the same about guys.

I frankly don't blame the school for avoiding the appearance of approval.



Did ANYBODY read both stories????

This is not school policy the school has let pregnant girls attend graduation in the past.

There is more going on here we do not know.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:38:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 10:42:59 AM EDT by tweeter]
I was gonna say something, but it's been said....

I just wanted to know why people gotta be this way to a kid that's obviously trying to keep her life on track after she throws herself a curveball?

As for the asshat boyfriend, WTF? He gets to walk?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:40:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Az_Redneck:

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:

Originally Posted By Az_Redneck:
Wow..I wonder how they would have handled the pregnant Virgin Mary at about 16 years old, unwed, and riding a donkey miles into a town and only being able to get a stable for the night to give birth and sleep in...



Apparently, they wouldn't have let her walk in graduation, although they might well have made an exception in view of the fact that she was pregnant not as a result of screwing around with a fellow student, but as a result of divine intervention, and would be giving birth to the only begotten son of God. Wow. .any more questions?



I'm very familiar with the story. For all intents and purposes, logic doesn't play a role in my statement. I was merely trying to show the similarities of the situation. Because of the veneration of Mary in the Catholic Church, it seems hypocritical and ironic at best. Maybe that's why I left the church...hmmm



Comparing the Blessed Virgin to a whore. NOW I have seen it all!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:43:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Az_Redneck:
Wow..I wonder how they would have handled the pregnant Virgin Mary at about 16 years old, unwed, and riding a donkey miles into a town and only being able to get a stable for the night to give birth and sleep in...



Ask the Romans, as they demanded the annual taxes to be paid in Bethlehem.

I agree that the father of the child should have been banned from graduation as well. If you're going to go to a Catholic school, you should abide by the rules.

The safety issue is most likely a liability issue.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:43:54 AM EDT
If all you guys had a AR15 party where only AR15s were allowed...would you let me in with an AK? Or better yet an XM8?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 10:50:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 11:00:09 AM EDT by nightstalker]
Edit

I didn't read the story very closely. Not enough information to decide what's really going on.

May have been one employee just exerting more influence on the issues than they should have.

I withdraw my judgments.
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