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Posted: 5/31/2003 6:25:53 PM EDT
Sharp Drop in Gun Crime Follows Tough Australian Firearm Laws Latest official data from Australia shows a marked reduction in gun-related crime and injury following recent restrictions on the private ownership of firearms. Twelve days after 35 people were shot dead by a single gunman in Tasmania, Australia's state and federal governments agreed to enact wide-ranging new gun control laws to curb firearm-related death and injury. Between July 1996 and August 1998, the new restrictions were brought into force. Since that time, key indicators for gun-related death and crime have shown encouraging results. Firearm-Related Homicide "There was a decrease of almost 30% in the number of homicides by firearms from 1997 to 1998." -- Australian Crime - Facts and Figures 1999. Australian Institute of Criminology. Canberra, Oct 1999 This report shows that as gun ownership has been progressively restricted since 1915, Australia's firearm homicide rate per 100,000 population has declined to almost half its 85-year average. Homicide by Any Method The overall rate of homicide in Australia has also dropped to its lowest point since 1989 (National Homicide Monitoring Program, 1997-98 data). It remains one-fourth the homicide rate in the USA. The Institute of Criminology report Australian Crime - Facts and Figures 1999 includes 1998 homicide data showing "a 9% decrease from the rate in 1997." This is the period in which most of the country's new gun laws came into force. Gun-Related Death by Any Cause The Australian Bureau of Statistics counts all injury deaths, whether or not they are crime-related. The most recently available ABS figures show a total of 437 firearm-related deaths (homicide, suicide and unintentional) for 1997. This is the lowest number for 18 years. The Australian rate of gun death per 100,000 population remains one-fifth that of the United States. "We have observed a decline in firearm-related death rates (essentially in firearm-related suicides) in most jurisdictions in Australia. We have also seen a declining trend in the percentage of robberies involving the use of firearms in Australia." -- Mouzos, J. Firearm-related Violence: The Impact of the Nationwide Agreement on Firearms. Trends & Issues in Crime & Criminal Justice No. 116. Australian Institute of Criminology. Canberra, May 1999; 6 Assault and Robbery Those who claim that Australia suffered a "crime wave" as a result of new gun laws often cite as evidence unrelated figures for common assault or sexual assault (no weapon) and armed robbery (any weapon). In fact less than one in five Australian armed robberies involve a firearm. "Although armed robberies increased by nearly 20%, the number of armed robberies involving a firearm decreased to a six-year low." -- Recorded Crime, Australia, 1998. Australian Bureau of Statistics, Jun 1999 Firearm-Related Crime in Tasmania "A declining firearm suicide rate, a declining firearm assault rate, a stable firearm robbery rate with a declining proportion of robberies committed with a firearm and a declining proportion of damage to property offences committed with a firearm suggest that firearm regulation has been successful in Tasmania." -- Warner, Prof K. Firearm Deaths and Firearm Crime After Gun Licensing in Tasmania. Australian Institute of Criminology, 3rd National Outlook Symposium on Crime in Australia. Canberra, 22-23 Mar 1999. Curbing Gun Proliferation in Australia In the 1996-97 Australian gun buy-back, two-thirds of a million semi-automatic and pump-action rifles and shotguns were sold to the government at market value. Thousands more gun owners volunteered their firearms for free, and nearly 700,000 guns were destroyed. By destroying one-seventh of its estimated stock of firearms (the equivalent figure in the USA would be 30 million), Australia has significantly altered the composition of its civilian arsenal. In addition, all remaining guns must be individually registered to their licensed owners, private firearm sales are no longer permitted and each gun purchase through a licensed arms dealer is scrutinised by police to establish a "genuine reason" for ownership. [red]Possession of guns for self-defence is specifically prohibited, and very few civilians are permitted to own a handgun.[/red] All the nation's governments, police forces and police unions support the current gun laws. Other Countries Similar reductions in gun death and injury have been noted in several countries whose gun controls have been recently tightened. In Canada, where new gun laws were introduced in 1991 and 1995, the number of gun deaths has reached a 30-year low. Two years ago in the United Kingdom, civilian handguns were banned, bought back from their owners and destroyed. In the year following the law change, Scotland recorded a 17% drop in all firearm-related offences. The British Home Office reports that in the nine months following the handgun ban, firearm-related offences in England and Wales dropped by 13%. A British citizen is still 50 times less likely to be a victim of gun homicide than an American.
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Link Posted: 5/31/2003 6:36:42 PM EDT
See my sig line. CRC
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 6:47:20 PM EDT
If this is true, then good. I'm not so enamored with guns that I'd oppose banning them if actual real murder rates would drop if they were banned. If Australians have seen their violent crime rates drop, and it was due to banning guns, terrific. Most all of the stories and data coming out of Australia say differently, but I'll accept this at face value.
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 6:56:36 PM EDT
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Raven...
If this is true, then good. I'm not so enamored with guns that I'd oppose banning them if actual real murder rates would drop if they were banned.
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Raven, please tell us you speaking with tongue firmly planted in cheek.
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 7:02:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/31/2003 7:58:48 PM EDT by raven]
Well, let me ask you a question; If you knew with total certainty that by banning guns crime and murder rates would significantly fall, would you be willing to give up your passion and hobby to see that happen? I know I would. The reason I oppose gun control laws now is because I know banning guns just ensures only criminals posess them. Let me say, I'm really sceptical about this report than violent crime has fallen in Australia due to their banning of guns. All I am saying is that if it's TRUE, and the reason was because of the ban on guns, then great. They did the right thing. (I dont believe this is the case though)
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 7:08:59 PM EDT
HOG WASH!!!
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 7:12:31 PM EDT
Send some of our 3rd-world welfare scumbags over to Australia and watch them change their minds in a heartbeat.
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 7:12:46 PM EDT
Goody for them,I know I would feel oh so much better if I got stabbed 16 times,instead of being shot.The whole "gun crime" crap pisses me off.F##K THE AUSSIES
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 7:22:08 PM EDT
"There was a decrease of almost 30% in the number of homicides by firearms from 1997 to 1998." -- Australian Crime - Facts and Figures 1999. Australian Institute of Criminology. Canberra, Oct 1999
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The trend is only for a year. It is not long enough to prove or disprove their hypothesis. This is obviously just a piece of propaganda.
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 7:22:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/31/2003 10:02:26 PM EDT by NYPatriot]
Raven...
If you knew with total certainty that by banning guns crime and murder rates would significantly fall, would you be willing to give up your passion and hobby to see that happen?
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[b]Absolutely, unequivocally, 100% NO!!![/b] Bearing arms is not just a "hobby" or "passion" Raven, it is my birthright as a human being who has been endowed by his creator with the inalienable (i.e. unable to be separated from or taken away) [b]RIGHT[/b] to bear arms in the defense of himself, his loved ones, and his nations freedom. Firearms are a physical manifestation of my status as a free man, and not a subject of some higher human power. Firearms are a tangible incarnation of our founder's ideals that we are all equal, that we have innate rights, that individuals are the masters of their own lives, and that as such, we retain the right & obligation to resist tyranny! [b]As a free man, I have the right to bear arms. As a free man, I decide what arms I bear![/b]
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 7:24:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 7:42:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raven: Well, let me ask you a question; If you knew with total certainty that by banning guns crime and murder rates would significantly fall, would you be willing to give up your passion and hobby to see that happen? I know I would. The reason I oppose gun control laws now is because I know banning guns just ensures only criminals posess them.
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The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with duck hunting or stopping murderers - though that's a good start. The right to keep and bear arms by individual citizens is so they can defend themselves, their property and their state against criminals, lawlessness, invasion and especially tyranny by an oppressive government.
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 7:53:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NYPatriot: Raven...
If you knew with total certainty that by banning guns crime and murder rates would significantly fall, would you be willing to give up your passion and hobby to see that happen?
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[b]Absolutely, unequivocally 100% NO!!![/b] Bearing arms is not just a "hobby" or "passion" Raven, it is my birthright as a human being who has been endowed by his creator with the inalienable (i.e. unable to be separated from or taken away) [b]RIGHT[/b] to bear arms in the defense of himself, his loved ones, and his nations freedom. Firearms are a physical manifestation of my status as a free man, and not a subject of some higher human power. Firearms are a tangible incarnation of our founder's ideals that we are all equal, that we have innate rights, that individuals are the masters of their own lives, and that as such, we retain the right & obligation to resist tyranny! [b]As a free man, I have the right to bear arms. As a free man, I decide what arms I bear![/b]
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Dont fall into dogma. Think a bit. The Iraqis had full auto AK's and handguns under Saddam. Were they free? Did their ability to own weapons guarantee their freedom and control over their own lives?
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 7:53:27 PM EDT
raven, you obviously have no concept of the balance of power, the Constitution, and why our democratic republic even exists. The Second Amendment protects the First Amendment. This means that we are free to speak openly about anything, and consequently, challenge each other in how we enact self-governance. Polls exist because the alternative is war. If you remove the threat of the alternative, then you will have no need for voting, thereby mitigating the whole basis of democracy. Unless, of course, that you would rather be socialist.
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 8:05:07 PM EDT
Giving up our guns will never stop murder. Haven't you read and seen on the news where in Africa the Machete is a weapon of mass destruction. They take leaf springs from vehicles, sharpen the edge and hack each other to death by the millions. Throughout history there have been more people killed with edged weapons,pointed sticks and clubs than with guns and bombs."Where there's a will there's a kill."
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 8:06:52 PM EDT
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Raven, I will wrap myself in the "dogma" of Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, Adams, Franklin, Paine, etc... until my dying day, and I will do it proudly & unabashedly!!! Perhaps [i]you[/i] should revisit the reasons why you own firearms. Here's a hint... it ain't about sports, sport. I really can't believe that I am having this argument with another paying member of AR15.com?!?!?!
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 8:20:53 PM EDT
"The Australian rate of gun death per 100,000 population remains one-fifth that of the United States." Simple statistical proof that the laws did nothing that they claimed.
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 8:39:04 PM EDT
"Although armed robberies increased by nearly 20%, the number of armed robberies involving a firearm decreased to a six-year low."
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John Lott described a "substitution principle" whereby criminals would simply find another weapon/means to commit crimes if guns were not available. Bingo.
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 9:39:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/1/2003 4:52:52 AM EDT by Skibane]
Originally Posted By raven: Dont fall into dogma. Think a bit. The Iraqis had full auto AK's and handguns under Saddam. Were they free? Did their ability to own weapons guarantee their freedom and control over their own lives?
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Actually, a good part of Iraq (the part in Kurdish hands) remained free throughout Saddam's reign. The easy availability of firearms was one of the factors that made that possible. Furthermore, even in areas controlled by Saddam, AKs were only allowed for Baath party members. Everyone else (and by "everyone", I mean only the people who weren't on Saddam's sh*t-list) got handguns and bolt-actions. Finally, an armed citizenry (by whatever loose definition you choose to use) is by no means an automatic recipe for rebellion against tyranny. However, lack of the former almost guarantees lack of the latter. Don't fall for the Socialist dogma about gun ownership making no difference in Iraq.
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 9:41:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/31/2003 9:47:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DevilsAdvocate: Send some of our 3rd-world welfare scumbags over to Australia and watch them change their minds in a heartbeat.
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You betcha!!!!
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 4:10:46 AM EDT
Fewer criminals using guns...I might beleive that. The criminals now don't feel the need to use guns since all of their victims are unarmed. I think if you look at the overall numbers, violent crime rates have skyrocketed ( I include rape, murder, robbery, burglary, home invasions, muggings, carjacking etc, just because they don't use a gun does not mean it not violent) Criminals no longer have to fear being confronted by an armed homeowner so they don't need a gun. As far as statistics go, you can make them say anything through creative interpretation. Statistics is about looking for any trends that show any cause and effect relationship, not just the one you want. <"Those who claim that Australia suffered a "crime wave" as a result of new gun laws often cite as evidence unrelated figures for common assault or sexual assault (no weapon) and armed robbery (any weapon). In fact less than one in five Australian armed robberies involve a firearm. "> They are just ignoring the increases in non-firearms crime so than they can politcally prove they did the correct thing. I agree and don't forget the organized crime groups from other countries, all the pissed off jobless minorities streaming over our borders, and the fact we are so close to drug producing countries.
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 4:36:21 AM EDT
Do you really want to cut accidental deaths, save the enivroment, conserve all sorts of scarce resources etc? Ban cars. Think of what that would do. No auto accidents, air polution, oils spills cut drastically, no more mid-east oil dependence etc. Still willing to do anything and long as it is "for the children and betterment of mankind"?
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 4:39:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 6:02:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
The Australian rate of gun death per 100,000 population remains one-fifth that of the United States. "We have observed a decline in firearm-related death rates (essentially in firearm-related suicides) in most jurisdictions in Australia. We have also seen a declining trend in the percentage of robberies involving the use of firearms in Australia." Assault and Robbery Those who claim that Australia suffered a "crime wave" as a result of new gun laws often cite as evidence unrelated figures for common assault or sexual assault (no weapon) and armed robbery (any weapon). In fact less than one in five Australian armed robberies involve a firearm. "Although armed robberies increased by nearly 20%, the number of armed robberies involving a firearm decreased to a six-year low." "A declining firearm suicide rate, a declining firearm assault rate, a stable firearm robbery rate with a declining proportion of robberies committed with a firearm and a declining proportion of damage to property offences committed with a firearm suggest that firearm regulation has been successful in Tasmania."
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*"Death rate remains one-fifth that of the US" It appears to be unchanged? *"The decline in death rates is essentially a decline in suicides" They banned firearms to curb the suicide rate? *"armed robberies have increased 20% they just do not involve a firearm" This makes me feel a whole lot safer... *"A stable firearm robbery rate with a declining proportion of robberies committed with a firearm" Does this make any sense?
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 6:29:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 6:32:55 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/1/2003 6:36:52 AM EDT
This is an opinion piece published in 2000 by a New Zealand organization that favors gun control. All the data that I have seen so far says that in Australia, the crime rate [b]with guns[/b] has dropped while the crime rate [b]without guns[/b] has increased and more than compensated for the former. Australia is now [b]more unsafe[/b] than it used to be. Not surprising, since the ownership of guns for self defense is explicitly prohibited.
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