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Posted: 9/1/2015 7:19:14 AM EDT
Oh this thread has potential!

Pope Francis will give all priests discretion to formally forgive women who have had abortions and seek absolution during the Roman Catholic Church's upcoming Holy Year, in the Argentine pontiff's latest move towards a more open and inclusive church.

In a letter published by the Vatican on Tuesday, Francis described the "existential and moral ordeal" faced by women who have terminated pregnancies and said he had "met so many women who bear in their heart the scar of this agonizing and painful decision".
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/01/pope-abortion-idINKCN0R13E820150901?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

Meltdown in 3, 2, 1....
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:20:16 AM EDT
and the catholic's heads aren't exploding???
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:21:11 AM EDT
NWO pope gonna NWO.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:21:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By steelycr:
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Why would they?

Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:22:06 AM EDT
For Christ's sake, the Baptists are letting them into Heaven if they say, "Oops."






These Catholic gals still need to get signed off.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:26:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By OKSoda:


Oh this thread has potential!




Pope Francis will give all priests discretion to formally forgive women who have had abortions and seek absolution during the Roman Catholic Church's upcoming Holy Year, in the Argentine pontiff's latest move towards a more open and inclusive church.



In a letter published by the Vatican on Tuesday, Francis described the "existential and moral ordeal" faced by women who have terminated pregnancies and said he had "met so many women who bear in their heart the scar of this agonizing and painful decision".
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/01/pope-abortion-idINKCN0R13E820150901?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews



Meltdown in 3, 2, 1....
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Who among us is beyond redemption?




Why should someone who now sees the errors of their past not be able to ask for and receive forgiveness?




The only news here is that this was not the policy of the Church all along.




Not a Catholic (just a forgiving agnostic).
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:30:13 AM EDT
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God has been forgiving them for a long time without the popes help.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:31:14 AM EDT
What's the big deal?
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:33:31 AM EDT
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The new Catholic motto: do what feels good.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:33:50 AM EDT


...and?
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:37:36 AM EDT
In for the shitstorm
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:39:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Doc_Lane:
What's the big deal?
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There isn't one. A lot of people just don't understand Catholicism and can't find the Catechism online.

Some of these folks probably think that up until now the RCC didn't forgive abortion. Which is wrong and silly.

Heck, where I'm at the Bishop (who has more power than people seem to think due to subsidiarity and all that) told priests they could forgive the first one. Somebody coming back again got kicked upstairs to the Bishop as obviously there was more going on.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:42:59 AM EDT
All sins are forgivable if you ask for forgiveness and truly mean it in your heart. There is nothing new here.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:50:35 AM EDT
Absolute Power Corrupts. Absolutely.
It is ok when we decide it is ok. Otherwise you go to hell.
Fuckin religious douche bags....
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:53:55 AM EDT
So does that mean their Botchlings now become Lubberkins?
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:56:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Number1gun:
Absolute Power Corrupts. Absolutely.
It is ok when we decide it is ok. Otherwise you go to hell.
Fuckin religious douche bags....
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Look at how dumb your post is.

Look at it.

We could start with your thought that "forgiving something means that you think what was done is okay". That's just a bizarre viewpoint.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 7:57:18 AM EDT
Last time I checked the one who decides these things doesn't hail from Argentina.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:00:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcornell:

  Who among us is beyond redemption?


Why should someone who now sees the errors of their past not be able to ask for and receive forgiveness?


The only news here is that this was not the policy of the Church all along.


Not a Catholic (just a forgiving agnostic).
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Originally Posted By mcornell:
Originally Posted By OKSoda:
Oh this thread has potential!

Pope Francis will give all priests discretion to formally forgive women who have had abortions and seek absolution during the Roman Catholic Church's upcoming Holy Year, in the Argentine pontiff's latest move towards a more open and inclusive church.

In a letter published by the Vatican on Tuesday, Francis described the "existential and moral ordeal" faced by women who have terminated pregnancies and said he had "met so many women who bear in their heart the scar of this agonizing and painful decision".


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/01/pope-abortion-idINKCN0R13E820150901?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

Meltdown in 3, 2, 1....

  Who among us is beyond redemption?


Why should someone who now sees the errors of their past not be able to ask for and receive forgiveness?


The only news here is that this was not the policy of the Church all along.


Not a Catholic (just a forgiving agnostic).


It's always been policy to offer forgiveness to the repentant. the issue was low-level priests weren't empowered.

the church has always faced two competing sources of - for lack of a better word - corruption. 1) Rogue priests who, in this case, might start writing off abortions as readily as being mean to your sister, leading to more of the "you can do anything as long as you say you're sorry, and I won't even dig too deep to be sure you're sincere" attitude.  2) More elaborate processes that quickly turn into costly "it's available to anyone willing to pay for it" appearances.

You see bits of both throughout every anti-Catholic thread.

Francis definitely seems more worried about the latter, as he has a real thing for accessibility and openness.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:01:40 AM EDT
It seems weird to me that abortion would be an unforgivable sin in the first place.
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Originally Posted By Spade:


Look at how dumb your post is.

Look at it.

We could start with your thought that "forgiving something means that you think what was done is okay". That's just a bizarre viewpoint.
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Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By Number1gun:
Absolute Power Corrupts. Absolutely.
It is ok when we decide it is ok. Otherwise you go to hell.
Fuckin religious douche bags....


Look at how dumb your post is.

Look at it.

We could start with your thought that "forgiving something means that you think what was done is okay". That's just a bizarre viewpoint.


Catholic bashing is starting to get near to the level of Islam bashing here.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:03:32 AM EDT
This Pope just may be the prognosticated anti Christ.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:03:47 AM EDT
So I just checked one of my favorite Catholic blogs (Father Z, he owns guns) and the funny thing is this isn't even the big news. Because, of course, a local Bishop could already do this if they wanted.

The big news is a Catholic can go to an SSPX priest for confession during the year. That's huge.
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Originally Posted By steelycr:
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Because forgiveness of sins has always been part of Catholic teachings.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:05:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By StripperClips:
All sins are forgivable if you ask for forgiveness and truly mean it in your heart. There is nothing new here.
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Yes, forgivable by God.   I don't render the Bible requiring a priest.
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Originally Posted By SemperFo:
It seems weird to me that abortion would be an unforgivable sin in the first place.
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It wasn't.

Read the thread, especially the post above yours.  

An abortion causes an automatic excommunication by the act. This can normally be only lifted by a Bishop or a priest the Bishop designates (and that can be every priest in his area if he chooses).
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Originally Posted By StripperClips:
All sins are forgivable if you ask for forgiveness and truly mean it in your heart. There is nothing new here.
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This.

(That's why I hope Hillary and FBHO don't get religion on their deathbed...)

TC
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Originally Posted By StripperClips:


All sins are forgivable if you ask for forgiveness and truly mean it in your heart. There is nothing new here.
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I believe the Book says blasphemy and voting for Obama are both unforgivable sins.
 
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:07:55 AM EDT
So much for that whole abortion=murder tripe the anti-choice crowd likes to trot out.  Does the Catholic church forgive murderers too, or is that sin unforgivable?
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:11:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Spade:


It wasn't.

Read the thread, especially the post above yours.  

An abortion causes an automatic excommunication by the act. This can normally be only lifted by a Bishop or a priest the Bishop designates (and that can be every priest in his area if he chooses).
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Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By SemperFo:
It seems weird to me that abortion would be an unforgivable sin in the first place.


It wasn't.

Read the thread, especially the post above yours.  

An abortion causes an automatic excommunication by the act. This can normally be only lifted by a Bishop or a priest the Bishop designates (and that can be every priest in his area if he chooses).


It seems weird to me that only priests can forgive someone of sin and that there are some sins that only high level priests can forgive.

Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:12:07 AM EDT
So is everybody now fine with the pope's global warming wealth distribution and social justice BS too?
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:13:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
So much for that whole abortion=murder tripe the anti-choice crowd likes to trot out.  Does the Catholic church forgive murderers too, or is that sin unforgivable?
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Your post plus your sigline. are you for real or is this some new kind of trolling?
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:14:14 AM EDT
This one will entertaining.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:15:40 AM EDT
Since when do priests get to offer God's forgivness?  I'm guessing that catholic ritualisms are going to leave a lot of people wondering what the hell happened
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:17:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
This one will entertaining.
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I'm gonna have to agree with
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:19:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SemperFo:


It seems weird to me that only priests can forgive someone of sin and that there are some sins that only high level priests can forgive.

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Originally Posted By SemperFo:
Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By SemperFo:
It seems weird to me that abortion would be an unforgivable sin in the first place.


It wasn't.

Read the thread, especially the post above yours.  

An abortion causes an automatic excommunication by the act. This can normally be only lifted by a Bishop or a priest the Bishop designates (and that can be every priest in his area if he chooses).


It seems weird to me that only priests can forgive someone of sin and that there are some sins that only high level priests can forgive.



Not all sins incur an automatic excommunication.

And all priests can forgive them if so ordered. The restriction shows the seriousness of the sin, and prevents abuse by priests who are pro-abortion as mentioned by Bohr_Adam.
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Too easy.





 
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Originally Posted By Chairborne:
So much for that whole abortion=murder tripe the anti-choice crowd likes to trot out.  Does the Catholic church forgive murderers too, or is that sin unforgivable?
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Look at how dumb this post is too.

Look at it.
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Originally Posted By greenranger:
God has been forgiving them for a long time without the popes help.
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Yep.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:23:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

..............

Catholic bashing is starting to get near to the level of Islam bashing here.
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Even I admit this one isn't bad.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:24:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlashHole:
Since when do priests get to offer God's forgivness?  I'm guessing that catholic ritualisms are going to leave a lot of people wondering what the hell happened
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Since John 20:21?

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-forgiveness-of-sins

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/confession lot of quotes by early Church writers there.
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Originally Posted By Fugitive:

Yep.
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Originally Posted By greenranger:
God has been forgiving them for a long time without the popes help.

Yep.

huh?
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:26:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Molotov357:
So is everybody now fine with the pope's global warming wealth distribution and social justice BS too?
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Not to mention declaring the US Bill of Rights and US sovereignty irrelevant (at least to the church's interests).

Christian Pharisees (regardless of denomination) are no better than Jewish Pharisees maybe even worse.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:26:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcornell:


The only news here is that this was not the policy of the Church all along
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Bolded this for you because this bears repeating.

Christianity is a very simple religion, and this part isn't subject to misunderstanding
unless you force misunderstanding on it.
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:26:48 AM EDT
5 Our Father's, 5 Hail Mary's, and an Act of Contrition can pretty much fix anything.
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Originally Posted By greenranger:
God has been forgiving them for a long time without the popes help.
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[He's right you know]
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Not quite. All priests are capable of giving absolution, the rule was that the sin of abortion is considered  so serious, that typical parish priests were ordered not to give absolution and kick it up the "chain of command" in hopes that said absolution would be followed with more intense counseling and authority.


As for the Biblical basis for the sacrament of confession, let me direct all to:

  Leviticus 19: 20-22: A man who committed adultery had to bring a guilt offering for himself to the door of the tent of meeting (holy place where the ark of the covenant, which contained God’s true presence was kept).  But then it adds “And the priest shall make atonement for him …before the Lord for his sin…and the sin which he has committed shall be forgiven.”        


  Matthew 3: 16 (and Mk 1: 5): “. . . they were baptized by him [John the Baptist] in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.”        


 John 20: 21-23: In his very first Resurrection appearance our Lord gives this awesome power to his Apostles with the words:

“Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”  How could they forgive sins if they were not confessed?  They could not.  This authority comes through the gift of the Holy Spirit which precedes it.  


More at the link.
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Originally Posted By greenranger:
God has been forgiving them for a long time without the popes help.
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Originally Posted By greenranger:


God has been forgiving them for a long time without the popes help.
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BOOM



 
Link Posted: 9/1/2015 8:40:15 AM EDT
This.
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