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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:16:06 AM EDT
[#1]
Picked the AR because I wanted to be the first one to do so. [:D]
"The purpose of a pistol is to fight back to the rifle that you should have never laid down in the first place." - Clint Smith |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:16:59 AM EDT
[#2]
BTW, I'd go with my Rem 870P with Walmart bulk pack shells.
Although my Beretta CX4 with a 15-rd mag of hollow points is running close behind. I live in a downtown apartment, in a dense urban environment, so... |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:18:29 AM EDT
[#3]
A shotgun would do....and nothing wrong with the AR either.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:19:47 AM EDT
[#4]
Shotgun / AR
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:21:04 AM EDT
[#5]
I picked AR, in part because the choice of MP5 wasn't listed. Quasi-M4 configuration.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:23:47 AM EDT
[#6]
Semi-auto or pump shotgun with 000 buck, devastating.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:27:17 AM EDT
[#7]
870/M4/Glock
[shotgun][uzi][pistol] Hessian-1[wave]out! |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:27:51 AM EDT
[#8]
Depending on circiumstances, i chose either a Glock 17 loaded with RA9T, an 870 loaded with Fed Tac Load 000 Buck, a Mini-14 loaded with M193, or a 16" AR loaded with Horn 75Gn OTM. The mini and AR both have tac lights. The Glock & 870 both have extended mags.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:28:12 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted: I picked AR, in part because the choice of MP5 wasn't listed. Quasi-M4 configuration. I forgot about pistol-caliber carbines. Guess I can't edit polls. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:29:43 AM EDT
[#10]
Many variables. If others are in the house, a scattergun will pepper loved ones with shot if doors are open. AR15 allows multiple aimed shots and 5.56 rounds will fragment (hopefully) before they get through many walls and before they enter family members. I do have to admit that for those living alone, a shotgun would be my first choice. Few recover from a close range shotgun blast to torso or proximal extremity. Nasty wounds. Don't even have to aim. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:36:07 AM EDT
[#11]
pistol and surefire
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:36:27 AM EDT
[#12]
Well I work in a 9-1-1 center, so I say you all should pick a good [b]PHONE[/b]...If not for any other reason than to keep my kids fed. [:D]
Ok..Ok..Ok...I would take a shotgun... |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:36:56 AM EDT
[#13]
AR carbine hands down for me. Less overpenetration concern through walls with proper ammo selection than shotguns or handguns. More capacity. Good terminal ballistics. Eliminates body armor. Faster followup shots. It is the weapon I am most familiar with, which in the dark and/or under stress is very important. No reason not to use it.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:38:54 AM EDT
[#14]
I would grab the handgun, .40s&w. My townhouse has a narrow stairway and the corners are hard to comfortably "clear" with my 16" barrelled AR's.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:48:17 AM EDT
[#15]
I would prefer to not shoot anyone in my house. It leaves a nasty mess. If I did however I would grab the closest on which is my Stainless Classic Kimber .45 on my right hip. Loaded w/ 230 gr FMJ right now. 2 spare mags. Need to get some more 230 gr. Corbons, Hydrashoks, Gold Dots...something with hole in the end.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:48:18 AM EDT
[#16]
I live in a small townhouse, so for me, the 1911 makes more sense than trying to negotiate tight places with my 590A1. I also have a Surefire and Pepper Foam at the ready. As far as mags, one in the gun and two spares, all loaded with HydraShocks.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:49:36 AM EDT
[#17]
Shotgun. Everything else will go through a wall like a hot knife in butter.
Take a piece of gypsum wall board, a small screwdriver and drive it through the wall board. Doesn't take much effort does it? Now imagine a .45 or .223 round. Heck. you'd find the spent bullet in the side of someone's car. (providing you don't live in a brick home) I've been told that nothing scares the heck out of a burglar then the sound of a shotgun being chambered. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:49:59 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted: I would grab the handgun, .40s&w. My townhouse has a narrow stairway and the corners are hard to comfortably "clear" with my 16" barrelled AR's. Good argument, just be careful where you shoot that .40 . I'm no ballistics expert, but I suspect those rounds will go through the crook, through the townhouse, and through the crook's car parked down the street. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:52:47 AM EDT
[#19]
Mossberg 500A with a Surefire for me. I have the rounds staggered starting off with a #4, then a 00-buck, then a slug, another 00, another slug and then another #4. Side-saddle contains more slugs and 00-buck.
Wife backs me up with her S&W model 37 (.38 Special, which she shoots VERY well) and a cell phone. If the bad guy gets through us, he must face the dog whimpering in the corner. [:D] |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:53:01 AM EDT
[#20]
AR. 20" A2 'cause that's what I have, in house I would rather have a 16" lightweight.
As for the second example, if I ever caught a man in my daughters' room at night (12, 2) he is dead. Not captured, not wounded. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:53:37 AM EDT
[#21]
Benelli M1 Tactical. 1st shell is magnum 00 buck, 2nd shell is magnum slug when you find out that the 00 didn't do anything, 3rd round is #4 shot to rip the perp's face off (also because you won't feel like firing anything else after the first two shells). 4,5 and 6 are whatever makes you happy.
CW |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:55:21 AM EDT
[#22]
I picked “baseball bat/golf club” because it is closest to my ACTUAL defensive “arm,” my 3-Cell Maglite. I live in a college dorm and can’t have anything better, but I bet I could bonk someone real good with it.
If I was allowed to, I would have either an XD-40 with a 4” barrel, 180gr. Gold Dot JHP’s, and extra mags OR an SS-framed S&W .357 Mag. with a 4” barrel and 125gr. JHP’s. The XD would perform better, but I could leave the .357 loaded 24/7 until the end of time and not have to worry about magazine spring fatigue. I chose a handgun for maneuverability, and I have concrete walls on all sides (I’m at the corner of the building) so over-penetration is not an issue. If I owned a house, it would be a tough call between a Remington 870 12-guage with 18” barrel, extended magazine, and 00 Buckshot OR a pre-ban Bushmaster with a collapsible stock, 16” 1-7 M4 barrel with Phantom flash suppressor, red-dot sight, BH 77gr. NATO OTM’s., and two duplexed 30-rnd. USGI mags. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:56:21 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted: Shotgun. Everything else will go through a wall like a hot knife in butter. Take a piece of gypsum wall board, a small screwdriver and drive it through the wall board. Doesn't take much effort does it? Now imagine a .45 or .223 round. Heck. you'd find the spent bullet in the side of someone's car. (providing you don't live in a brick home) I've been told that nothing scares the heck out of a burglar then the sound of a shotgun being chambered. Wow. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 11:57:07 AM EDT
[#24]
AR15 - 16" BM comped. I always consider the possibility of someone in the house being taken hostage, or a similar scenario, so I always think about that precisely placed shot that might be needed. A shotgun takes both perp and family down. Plus, stealth is my weapon, a shotgun being racked doesn't help much, even thought the BG might run. I'd prefer a body count for someone breaking in. That's what the shovels are for.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 12:01:41 PM EDT
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The number of falsehoods perpetrated in threads regarding this topic never cease to amaze me.
Listen carefully. You most certainly DO have to aim a shotgun in close-quarters. The pattern is terribly small. Also, a closed door is NOT going to stop buckshot from entering a kid's room. Pushing a screwdriver thru wallboard is nothing at all like a 55 gr 5.56mm bullet impacting the same at 2500+ fps. Read and learn, or better yet, test for yourself. Use two pieces of wallboard and place them 3.5 inches apart. It's called fragmentation. Don't use Wolf, or SS109. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 12:02:39 PM EDT
[#26]
Benelli M4 combat shotgun for me, But onley because there's no Barrett M82A1 in the poll.[whacko]
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Posted: 12/8/2003 12:08:18 PM EDT
[#27]
They'd never get passed my dog....
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Posted: 12/8/2003 12:09:51 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: Quoted: Shotgun. Everything else will go through a wall like a hot knife in butter. Take a piece of gypsum wall board, a small screwdriver and drive it through the wall board. Doesn't take much effort does it? Now imagine a .45 or .223 round. Heck. you'd find the spent bullet in the side of someone's car. (providing you don't live in a brick home) I've been told that nothing scares the heck out of a burglar then the sound of a shotgun being chambered. Wow. Hawkeye, why don't you and I develop a FAQ on this. Surely these questions and wrong "facts" have been addressed about 1,000 times on this forum. I don't fault Ramjet. These falsehoods are repeated so often that the general population take them as truth. But those of us that know better can sure get worn out answering them over and over again. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 12:31:57 PM EDT
[#29]
M4 commando config in 5.56mm with vortex FS and light. Iron sights.
I want precision, compactness, and reliablility. Never know when someone in your home is going to be held by the perp. I want to be able to drop the POS with one shot thru the brainstem if I have to. After he's down I want to have rapid follow up shots to make sure he stays down for good. I also keep an underfolder AK and Glock 17 ready to go. Tarp and shovel and I'm all set. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 12:34:39 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shotgun. Everything else will go through a wall like a hot knife in butter. Take a piece of gypsum wall board, a small screwdriver and drive it through the wall board. Doesn't take much effort does it? Now imagine a .45 or .223 round. Heck. you'd find the spent bullet in the side of someone's car. (providing you don't live in a brick home) I've been told that nothing scares the heck out of a burglar then the sound of a shotgun being chambered. Wow. Hawkeye, why don't you and I develop a FAQ on this. Surely these questions and wrong "facts" have been addressed about 1,000 times on this forum. I don't fault Ramjet. These falsehoods are repeated so often that the general population take them as truth. But those of us that know better can sure get worn out answering them over and over again. Send the shotgun related questions to: [url]http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=1e6e51ec86fa2fd875e3831b7420351c[/url] This topic is talked about to death over there. CW |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 12:35:26 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shotgun. Everything else will go through a wall like a hot knife in butter. Take a piece of gypsum wall board, a small screwdriver and drive it through the wall board. Doesn't take much effort does it? Now imagine a .45 or .223 round. Heck. you'd find the spent bullet in the side of someone's car. (providing you don't live in a brick home) I've been told that nothing scares the heck out of a burglar then the sound of a shotgun being chambered. Wow. Hawkeye, why don't you and I develop a FAQ on this. Surely these questions and wrong "facts" have been addressed about 1,000 times on this forum. I don't fault Ramjet. These falsehoods are repeated so often that the general population take them as truth. But those of us that know better can sure get worn out answering them over and over again. You are correct. They have been perpetuated so long and so often, many folks honestly dont know all the facts. That sounds like a great idea. I'd love to work on that with you. I actually have had some plans in the works now for some time to do a few things in that regard. Sounds like a good time/excuse to do them. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 12:45:45 PM EDT
[#32]
Mossberg M590A, ghost ring sights, 14 shots max (11 if 3" magnums loaded) and sling.
I load a mix of #4 and OO buck with 15 pellets. I doubt if the shot will penetrate the walls as easily as my .223 or 7.6x39 or .40 or any other big caliber rifle or pistol. Hell, just the sound of the charging action would be enough to make me pee my pants. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 12:47:51 PM EDT
[#33]
Make my night! Shotgun, 1300 Defender, with brake and flashlite. Nasty, nasty.
[img]http://members.aol.com/bear3351/shotgun.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 1:03:40 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted: They'd never get passed my dog.... A pound of burger and three Tylenol w/codeine and I'm in. Not that I *would*, but it ain't hard. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 1:08:33 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: Make my night! Shotgun, 1300 Defender, with brake and flashlite. Nasty, nasty. [url]http://members.aol.com/bear3351/shotgun.jpg[/url] Where'd you get that nifty brake? Does it take an edge? [:D] |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 1:08:41 PM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: Hell, just the sound of the charging action would be enough to make me pee my pants. I just wired the burgular alarm to a tape of my shotgun being loaded. No more worries! [banghead] |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:04:08 PM EDT
[#37]
The ultimate home defense weapon would be a 10-11.5" flat top AR with tac light, red dot, and suppressor using something like a 64gr. Power Point Plus.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:09:15 PM EDT
[#38]
My wife's AR is my first choice for indoor games. I have a bedside handgun, but that is just to get to the closet and put the mag into the AR.
Her config is A1 stock cavarms lower, 16.1 flattop with holosight. I used to have mine at hand (semiA2) but went smaller. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:22:42 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shotgun. Everything else will go through a wall like a hot knife in butter. Take a piece of gypsum wall board, a small screwdriver and drive it through the wall board. Doesn't take much effort does it? Now imagine a .45 or .223 round. Heck. you'd find the spent bullet in the side of someone's car. (providing you don't live in a brick home) I've been told that nothing scares the heck out of a burglar then the sound of a shotgun being chambered. Wow. Hawkeye, why don't you and I develop a FAQ on this. Surely these questions and wrong "facts" have been addressed about 1,000 times on this forum. I don't fault Ramjet. These falsehoods are repeated so often that the general population take them as truth. But those of us that know better can sure get worn out answering them over and over again. I agree. I have been on the forums for a few months now and this topic has been BEATEN TO DEATH!!!!!! A good FAQ on this would be invaluable. I live alone so the choice is a Mossberg 500 defender with light and 00 buck, which I know I must aim well and it sure as hell does have a tight pattern. [;)] |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:26:36 PM EDT
[#40]
If you need any help I would be glad to assist. By the looks of the poll results, it obviously needs to be done. I have been trying for years to quelch the shotgun myths, but decades of wivestales are hard to counter. I cringe every time I see someone on a gun board reccomend a 12 gauge with bird shot as a good home defense weapon.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:29:10 PM EDT
[#41]
Shotgun, 12 gauge.
I prefer semi-auto, simply because it gives me one extra round. OTOH, racking a shotgun slide says "Don't fuck with me" in a language ANYONE can understand. Close second: AR15 with 30-round magazine. Either choice requires a good light. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:32:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted: Make my night! Shotgun, 1300 Defender, with brake and flashlite. Nasty, nasty. [url]http://members.aol.com/bear3351/shotgun.jpg[/url] Wow! You can practically use that as a bayonet if all else fails! Where on earth did you find that? |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:42:57 PM EDT
[#43]
I vote for teh 12ga. pump with a good size shot. proably 00. I would prefer the shortest barrel possible, to facitltae movement. This chioce was made on account of my being much more handy with a scatter gun than a rifle or pistol.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:48:47 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted: If you need any help I would be glad to assist. By the looks of the poll results, it obviously needs to be done. I have been trying for years to quelch the shotgun myths, but decades of wivestales are hard to counter. I cringe every time I see someone on a gun board reccomend a 12 gauge with bird shot as a good home defense weapon. Okay, don't cringe... [:D] There's always some kind of a scatter-gun living under my bed (Beretta 1201 right now). I do know what you mean about the birdshot though. First two are (HOT) # 4 shot, the rest are 00 buck. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:53:05 PM EDT
[#45]
I go with a 12 guage pump action shotgun - not for technical reasons but for personal ones.
When something goes bump in the night the brain cells take a bit of time to get switched on. The pump is so simple - so automatic in my hands - that even with just a couple of functional cells I can work the weapon. The second weapon back in a loaded AR for when things go bump not in the night. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:53:58 PM EDT
[#46]
A boomstick in any tube-fed or break-open form that's accessorized in a 'hunting' manner would go over best with the judge/jury/hoplophobes
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:55:26 PM EDT
[#47]
S&W686 7rounds of .357 works for me.
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Posted: 12/8/2003 3:56:03 PM EDT
[#48]
Colt Detective Special loaded with hydra-shoks.
Nothing like a little class for the defense of the home. |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 4:01:35 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: If you need any help I would be glad to assist. By the looks of the poll results, it obviously needs to be done. I have been trying for years to quelch the shotgun myths, but decades of wivestales are hard to counter. I cringe every time I see someone on a gun board reccomend a 12 gauge with bird shot as a good home defense weapon. Yeah, I have an ex-brother in law that cringes everytime he thinks about a shotgun with bird shot too. He shits in a diaper and has to be pushed around in a wheelchair because he's a quad. #6 shot from a .410 took out his shoulder joints and about 2 inches of spine. He wont hit my sister again. I keep my 12 gauge loaded with #6. How many people have you shot? With what load? What was the results? |
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Posted: 12/8/2003 4:05:58 PM EDT
[#50]
I use a Winchester 1300 (12 ga) with 4 rounds of 00 buck with 12 pellets in each and 2 1 oz slugs in the tube, and the same stuff on the side saddle.
How does that break work for you Bear? What I really need though is a .458 SOCOM AR with 600 grain subsonic bullets and a can. [:D] |
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