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Posted: 5/31/2002 4:55:24 PM EDT
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One or two of Pakistan's tests were fissles. Also, it's one thing to pop a nuke resting at the bottom of a deep hole, and another popping an aircraft or missle-delivered one. Not an insurmountable problem...
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Posted: 5/31/2002 4:56:11 PM EDT
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Yes they will launch at each other. I think the Paki's will panic when India starts a ground offensive and do what we planned to do to the Soviets and what the Soviets planned to do to us had the Fulda gap corridor ever been used. This will result in an exchange when India goes tit for tat. As far as the weights of the bombs, you are kidding right? A 150 megaton thermonulear device capable of destroying any city on Earth only weighs in at a couple of hundred pounds max. A nuclear artillery shell weighs about 80 pounds and can take out 75 square miles if airbursted at 2 Km altitude.
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Posted: 5/31/2002 4:59:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: You forgot "Both". If one side pops one, so will the other. I was assuming that it would be understood that if one fired the other one would fire also; that's a given. That's why I asked: Who FIRST. |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 4:59:11 PM EDT
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Did they say what the effective YIELD of these weapons is? The weight of the weapon isn't that significant and a 1.5Kt or 2Kt yield is "no big deal", really.
I mean I wouldn't want to "catch one" but Hiroshima was 15Kt and nagasaki was 20Kt so we're talking about weapons that are a 10th the size of those?? If the yields actually are 1.5-2.0Kt I have NO idea where the estimates of 12-17 Million casualties are coming from...something just doesn't add up. - CD |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:03:56 PM EDT
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As far as the weights of the bombs, you are kidding right? A 150 megaton thermonulear device capable of destroying any city on Earth only weighs in at a couple of hundred pounds max. A nuclear artillery shell weighs about 80 pounds and can take out 75 square miles if airbursted at 2 Km altitude. Those were the numbers listed on The News Hour. I haven't verified them. |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:05:59 PM EDT
[#6]
I think it's time to break out my old copy of the card game "Nuclear War". [}:)]
You can get your own copy (get the expansions, too) from here... [http://www.flyingbuffalo.com/nucwar.htm] - CD |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:06:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Did they say what the effective YIELD of these weapons is? The weight of the weapon isn't that significant and a 1.5Kt or 2Kt yield is "no big deal", really. I mean I wouldn't want to "catch one" but Hiroshima was 15Kt and nagasaki was 20Kt so we're talking about weapons that are a 10th the size of those?? They didn't say but they did state that either would be significantly less than Hiroshima. |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:08:08 PM EDT
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Let's try that again...
[url]http://www.flyingbuffalo.com/nucwar.htm[/url] - CD |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:08:21 PM EDT
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Both sides are in the 20kt range IIRC.
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:11:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: I think it's time to break out my old copy of the card game "Nuclear War". [}:)] You can get your own copy (get the expansions, too) from here... Damn, you just had too mention that. Now I'll have to get the booster packs. |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:14:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Both sides are in the 20kt range IIRC. Thanks ! I was just wondering about the yield. Neither will use nukes. |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:16:44 PM EDT
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Regardless of who lets one off first ans also regardless of the yields.
when that moment comes, that is officaly a SHTF senerio. and will act accordinly. how long after that do you invision trouble at home. For the life of me I cant not actualy imagine a modern war that involves nukes. But Ive heard the the dumbasses really expect to survice so whats really stopping them? as far as your question ... I vote Pakistan.. It would take lousy leadership to let it come to that. edited to add ***** also picked pakistan ... because picking "no one" would be boring.. |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:21:27 PM EDT
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how long after that do you invision trouble at home. Kind of related..., they were saying that a nuc war would spread fallout (radiation) into neighboring countries like Afghanistan and even into China. I wonder how China feels about all of this. Either way in the end I'm sure someway or another the Bush administration will get blamed by the Liberals for not doing enough to prevent it. |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:23:26 PM EDT
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Eventually there will be a nuclear war, and this current situation represents the best possibility.
Nuc war within one year and Pakistan will launch first. |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:30:51 PM EDT
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I voted that I don't think either will pop a nuke, but I would really like to see Pakistan get their asses kicked.
I think that Pakistan would fire first, India does not need to. They will win and they know it. Besides, if Pakistan does pop a nuke, all that radiation will head east, right over the mountains into the PRC. Don't think they will be too happy with that. |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:32:01 PM EDT
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Cluster,
do you have a CLUE? We set off hundreds of nuclear weapons above ground before the test ban. Everyone is still here. Only having small nukes is one thing that contributes to the eagerness of both sides to use nukes in this case... The other is that neither country gives a rat fuck about the lives of most of their population. One is a military dictatorship and the other, while technically a democracy, has a culture that is still riven by a ancient cast structure. In India, even the people sitting in Congress have little or nothing in common with the people you see on TV living in hovels. Those in the Army, and in the government administration, many of them educated in the West and with European tasts, have even LESS. The mob is just something to be humored and used for votes, and I am not sure how much they would weep if a few million of their countrymen were wiped off the face of the earth... |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 5:35:54 PM EDT
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The blast from the largest nuke held by either country will have the following effects:
Initial blast: 5mi diameter death zone. Effective fallout: 7mi diameter, death. Pakistan is nuts to make this threat. |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 6:02:39 PM EDT
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ArmdLbrl,
this is what scares me... neither country gives a rat fuck about the lives of most of their population. topped off with how many of these hundreds of tests/above ground detnations have been fired in anger? I would think there is a diffrence in a conrolled blast and one in anger. not only do those poor bastards not care about them selves ,,, they dont give a flying rats fucking ass about us.. Im thinking about all the sec that is involved in gaurding these nukes With either countrys' love of leading by "machismo" I dont think they will be guarded too goddamn well. All we need is for one damn Islamic terrorist to steal just[i]one[/i]. After that I will have trouble sleeping. and we know half the Pakistian army Officers would readily "lose" one to thier dear AlQuida friends... how can you disagree? edited to add *************** I dont have faith in the security of the weapons because I believe that if war does break out.. every swinging dick that is able will want to go [i]front[/i] lines... thats thier mentality.. if Im wromg pls correct me.. if Im right then what is the quality of the "soldier" that stays behind to "guard" the weapons if all the "good fighters" are at the front? |
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Posted: 6/1/2002 4:38:22 AM EDT
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i voted pakistan,probably within 6 months.
maybe a couple of more terr attacks and india will go rolling across the border full tilt. with the paki's getting there arses kicked,mushariff(sp) will get assasinated due to his reluctance to pop a couple of firecrackers at india,then his replacemnt will give the go ahead. even with out a paki/india war i see mushie gone within a year. rescue93 |
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Posted: 6/1/2002 4:46:16 AM EDT
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All this global bullshit is wreaking nuclear havoc on my mutual funds.
I gotta get into real estate, it's the only sure money maker left. And ammo. Lots of ammo. What? Oh yeah, I vote that niether side will launch cause the US will come in and do something about, God knows what. I hope I'm right. |
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Posted: 6/1/2002 5:21:24 AM EDT
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Could not sleep last night so I listened to Art Bell. He had a exmilitary man on(I believe he is the one that sells a Remote Viewing Course,) that said we have aircraft capable of reaching mach 17 to dispatch and knock out their missiles before they lift off.
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Posted: 6/1/2002 5:26:00 AM EDT
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In many other situations I would have said, NA, nuclear war would not happen. This one has, I think, great potential to be just that. Even if neither side is actually crazy enough to launch one (and I think they ARE that crazy in this case)look at the bumblefucks we're talking about here. It is quite conceivable that one side could have an accident leading to an exchange. For example the missile tests. Hmmm, chinese missiles being used by pakistanis. That alone is enough to scare me. They'll be lucky if they don't shoot themselves.
My only hope is that if this happens that it stays right there between the two of them. That would be bad enough, we don't need anyone else getting involved. On a side note, how would you like to Rumsfeld (sp?) right now. That is the LAST place I would want to go with possible nuclear war looming. If I were him and got the orders I think I'd look dubya in the eye and say "ARE YOU NUCKING FUTS!?" Mike |
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Posted: 6/1/2002 5:46:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: do you have a CLUE? We set off hundreds of nuclear weapons above ground before the test ban. Everyone is still here. Not to mention that if they use their nukes in an air-burst, the fallout is nearly negligible. |
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