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Posted: 11/1/2004 8:23:43 AM EDT
For those who believe in God...


A simple question:

we've all discussed praying that He help us out in this election.

The question is this:

If Bush wins (even if he doesn't, honestly)

What will you do for God?

serious question......no replies needed, though. Just answer Him.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:25:59 AM EDT
The outcome of the election has nothing to do with my level of faith.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:31:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/1/2004 8:32:06 AM EDT by motown_steve]

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
What will you do for God?



Do you honestly believe that by swearing off pornography or by volunteering to work at the soup kitchen that you, me or anyone would be able to repay the tremendous grace and mercy that God would be showing this nation by not allowing John Kerry to become our next President?

I don't!
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:32:06 AM EDT
I wasn't aware that it was customary to bargin with the lord.

Lord, bless our nation and help guide her down the right path.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:32:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Palo_Duro:
The outcome of the election has nothing to do with my level of faith.



+1,000,000

I can't imagine that God would want anything to do with politics these days. Would be like Jesus hanging-out at a casino/strip-club in Vegas. I do believe that he guides the POTUS as the POTUS is humble as askes for that guidance sincerely (a fact that is probably the case with Bush, and wasn't with Willy, and would NOT be with Kerry). I also believe that people's prayers can help the POTUS be guided (again, if he is receptive to that guidance). But I think it would be insulting to a perfect God to be "involved" in politics. He wants us to make the right choices and is happy when we do. What will I do for him? Same thing I do every day...
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:33:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Diss_ipator:
I wasn't aware that it was customary to bargin with the lord.

Lord, bless our nation and help guide her down the right path.



+seventy times seven
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:47:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
What will you do for God?



Do you honestly believe that by swearing off pornography or by volunteering to work at the soup kitchen that you, me or anyone would be able to repay the tremendous grace and mercy that God would be showing this nation by not allowing John Kerry to become our next President?

I don't!



No, not for a minute.

The question stands, however.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:48:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:

Originally Posted By Diss_ipator:
I wasn't aware that it was customary to bargin with the lord.

Lord, bless our nation and help guide her down the right path.



+seventy times seven



No bargaining was asked of anyone.

The question still stands, and again, don't answer me. Just look in the mirror. I think we as a nation should all do this, if you're the believing sort.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:52:34 AM EDT
I think I'll pray as I did introducing the service at church last weekend:



Lord, bless Thy people in this nation to choose leaders who will live and lead according to Thy Word; yet comfort us in the knowledge that whatever may befall this nation - even if the enemies of Thy teachings gain every seat of power - Thou art still upon Thy throne and Thy church shall endure upon this earth. Thy will be done, in all things...



Amen.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:52:57 AM EDT
It's not good to make deals. I'll keep going forward as best I can.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:54:31 AM EDT
I think I'll buy Him some of those teflon mags, a Surefire light, and maybe a case of practice 9mm.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:57:29 AM EDT
If you have read teh 'good' book, you will know that God specifically does not endorse our form of govt.

Christ told us about the Kingdom of Heaven, its a govt of servants.

Seek the kingdom of man, the unrighteous mammon will fail, look at Rome.

Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:58:55 AM EDT
The Bible speaks against making deals or bargains with God.

No matter the outcome of the election, there will be reason for it. If GWB wins, I think it will indicate people turning back towards God and traditional spiritual values. If JFK wins, I think it will indicate that America must further decend into the pit of Liberalism before eyes are opened.

Either way I am prepared to accept the burden that God places on my shoulders and I will continue to work towards what is right.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 8:59:02 AM EDT
Our salvation has already been purchased. God's grace is free to all who seek Him. Good works by us are evidence of our faith; they are not good for purchasing anything. Not only does OUr Heavenly Father want us with Him in paradise, but He wants us to live our lives more abundantly while we await that day.

I find it highly illogical that there are those who reject the saving message of Jesus Christ and even go so far as to deny the existance of God. If there is no afterlife, then it matters not one wit what we do here. Because of the promise of salvation, we are able to put life into a context that makes our tenuous existance meaningful.

Though we are in the world, we Christians are not of this world. What we all call reality will pass away. The only truth is that there is so much more to life than just a temporary life and eventual nothingness.

Guys, Jesus looked at the world and told all the hurt, lonely and suffering that essentially "It ain't about all this. It's about something so great as to be well beyond our earthly comprehension."

If the message of Christ, the Scriptures, Our Creator, and the power of the Holy Spirit are figments of our imagination, then at worst following Christ leads to a more civilized person.

At best, it is all true.

Why would anyone sumarily reject Christ when there is no downside to belief in Him and a remarkable upside.

After the election, God will still be in control.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:08:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mahatma8Rice:
After the election, God will still be in control.




"Control"? Yes and no. He's controlling himself not to come down and wipe our arrogant and unrighteous arses from the face of the Earth. But WE are in control of our own destiny and what we CHOOSE for ourselves and our future. Yeah, he's the omnipotent one, but the word "control" bugs me. Satan would have chosen to exercise control, God is sitting on the sidelines cheering us on and hoping that WE choose the right (and of course, he already knows how we will choose, but he's got to let us do our thing as a just and loving God).
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:27:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/1/2004 9:29:28 AM EDT by Carbine_Man]

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
What will you do for God?

What can you give or offer to God that doesn't already belong to him? He can raise up stones to offer praise worthy of Him. No one can do ANYTHING FOR GOD. Salvation and blessings are all undeserved. Grace by definition is unmerited favor.

We should be drawn to love, trust and obey Him more. But these do no not "earn" His favor.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:35:21 AM EDT
Look in the Old Testament, we get what we deserve.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:35:42 AM EDT
*sigh*

My point was that we, as a nation, do little to honor and glorify Him, though we ask so much.

Like I said, it was a rhetorical question.


*sigh*
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:36:10 AM EDT
If John Effing Kerry wins, God better do something for me! A couple LE6920's and a a AR6450 would be nice
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:37:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CS223:
The Bible speaks against making deals or bargains with God.

No matter the outcome of the election, there will be reason for it. If GWB wins, I think it will indicate people turning back towards God and traditional spiritual values. If JFK wins, I think it will indicate that America must further decend into the pit of Liberalism before eyes are opened.

Either way I am prepared to accept the burden that God places on my shoulders and I will continue to work towards what is right.



Ecclesiastes chapter 5, verse 3-5


3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business; and a fool's voice is known by multitude of words.

4 When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.

5 Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay.



Been there, done that, still learning the lesson.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:40:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
*sigh*

My point was that we, as a nation, do little to honor and glorify Him, though we ask so much.

Like I said, it was a rhetorical question.


*sigh*



This problem goes all the way to the top...

It should correctly be "May America bless God" not the other way around...

America has been very blessed.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 9:40:24 AM EDT
Personally, I think the only thing keeping God from withdrawing his protection is our support for Israel. Its certainly NOT because America is some godly righteous nation. Just do a little 5 minute channel surf and tell me God approves of America...
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 7:54:08 PM EDT
You shouldnt confuse the current 'nation' of Israel, with the nation of Israel spoke of in the Bible. They are completely different.
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 7:56:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/1/2004 7:58:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 4:16:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 4:18:06 AM EDT by nationwide]

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Amen.

We remember all the Words.

We just can't remember what those Words mean.

Eric The(Penitent)Hun



There are PLENTY of folk in this country who remember their Bible lessons and who live their lives accordingly.

But the "mainstream" (read: assimilated) of our culture (do we have a culture anymore?) has branded them as extremists, zealots, "the religious right" et al.

Assclowns like Jesse Ventura use their "bully pulpit", if you will, to expouse half-wit uneducated statements such as his famous Playboy quote "This country was founded on the principal of freedom from religion."

I don't know who said it or when, but the idea that people get the government they deserve is as true today as ever.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 4:33:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
*sigh*

My point was that we, as a nation, do little to honor and glorify Him, though we ask so much.

Like I said, it was a rhetorical question.


*sigh*



This problem goes all the way to the top...

It should correctly be "May America bless God" not the other way around...

America has been very blessed.




This is a great point!

If some in this thread would turn off the attack mode they would see that this is exactly the type of response arowneragain was looking for.........

God has done more for me already than I can ever in a million lifetimes "repay" Him for. He's not looking for sacrifice or repayment , He IS looking for obedience.

I'll do me best to obey His Word more and more each day He allows me to live.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 4:54:13 AM EDT
Every time I woke up last night I said a prayer for Pres. Bush.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 5:00:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
For those who believe in God...


A simple question:

we've all discussed praying that He help us out in this election.

The question is this:

If Bush wins (even if he doesn't, honestly)

What will you do for God?

serious question......no replies needed, though. Just answer Him.



I will keep doing what I've been doing, (sowing seed, and being "salty". ) This election changes nothing for me, as a Christian. There are plenty of "signs of the times", around. Who is president, is immaterial.

Being as how "God", instituted the vote, in Exodus, and voting was a commandment, that has not been changed, I, as a Believer, will take my ballot down to city hall, and drop it in the ballot box, myself. (Oregon has vote by mail )
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 5:02:50 AM EDT


Originally Posted By arowneragain:

What will you do for God?




The same thing he does for me. I will ignore him.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 5:07:08 AM EDT
Any acts that I perform are simply out of the gratitude that I have for Jesus Christ paying my sin debt in full. We could NEVER perform enough acts to make ourselves worthy of heaven.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 5:15:27 AM EDT
Thy will be done...


Link Posted: 11/2/2004 5:21:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 5:22:12 AM EDT by KBL]
I'll tell you how I'll answer the question....

I'll turn to God more for His guidance with my everyday problems the way that George Bush turns to Him with our nation's problems....
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 6:30:21 AM EDT
Fortunately God does not help GWB with our nations problems.

Considering the nation is against His Word.

Luke 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
Luke 22:26-27 But ye [shall] not [be] so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.For whether [is] greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? [is] not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth

If our nation were to rule from the bottom up, and not the top down, then God may help guide him.

When was the last time your 'representative' come to wash your feet? When was the last time your 'leaders' served you? They serve themselves and their lust for money.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 6:33:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DerekR:
Fortunately God does not help GWB with our nations problems.

Considering the nation is against His Word.

Luke 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
Luke 22:26-27 But ye [shall] not [be] so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.For whether [is] greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? [is] not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth

If our nation were to rule from the bottom up, and not the top down, then God may help guide him.

When was the last time your 'representative' come to wash your feet? When was the last time your 'leaders' served you? They serve themselves and their lust for money.



Um...so God will forsake a nation because their leader isn't a perfect man?

Um....we'll have to disagree on that one.

But thanks for posting...and please do so again. Some of us actually enjoy a little debate...
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 6:33:23 AM EDT
God doesnt ignore you, he actually pays very close attention.

You only have to hear his voice.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 6:49:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DerekR:
God doesnt ignore you, he actually pays very close attention.

You only have to hear his voice.



I certainly agree.

Now, where are you going with this?

Link Posted: 11/2/2004 10:54:19 AM EDT
It was a reply to u-baddog.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 10:54:22 AM EDT

If Bush wins (even if he doesn't, honestly)

What will you do for God?



As some have already said, the results of this (or any) election has no effect on my relationship with Jesus.

I will be "sad" if Kerry wins. But it will not effect my "joy".

Why? Because my joy is the result of being saved by the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.

Psalm 73:23 Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand.
24 Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.


Do you see that? He is holding me by my right hand. What more could I want?

I give Him thanks that I was born in this wonderful country, the best one that has ever existed in the world. And I believe it has been blessed because of several reasons. Amoung these is our history of being formed by good, Christian men. Also our history of sending missionaries throughout the world to spread the Good News of the Gospel. And, of course, our faithfulness to Israel.

But as I, and many other Christians, look at the last few decades, we see America drawing further and further away from our founding moral principles. It is critical that we take action soon.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

It is time for the people of America to repent and call upon God. But time must be growing short.

Have mercy on us, Oh Lord.


Link Posted: 11/2/2004 11:02:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
...
2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
...



Amen! One of my favorites (and my wife's VERY favorite) around election time.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 11:09:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 11:10:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DerekR:
Fortunately God does not help GWB with our nations problems.

Considering the nation is against His Word.

Luke 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
Luke 22:26-27 But ye [shall] not [be] so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.For whether [is] greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? [is] not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth

If our nation were to rule from the bottom up, and not the top down, then God may help guide him.

When was the last time your 'representative' come to wash your feet? When was the last time your 'leaders' served you? They serve themselves and their lust for money.



So now you're speaking for God? And just how do you know what GWB's relationship with God is like? GWB says that he seeks God for guidance, you know something else about it?

I too, will have to disagree with you. Remember, King David lived much of his early life in disobedience to God, and yet God made him a great king. And it's because despite David's faults as a man, he still sought God for guidance and praised him for his goodness and mercy.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 11:11:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By livefreeordieNH:
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+1 God doesn't decide the presidency..... we do so VOTE
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 11:12:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Palo_Duro:
The outcome of the election has nothing to do with my level of faith.



I could not agree more.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 11:19:57 AM EDT
Thanks to the handful who got the point of the question.

Link Posted: 11/2/2004 11:37:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DerekR:
God doesnt ignore you, he actually pays very close attention.

You only have to hear his voice.



Thank you for the responce, it was kind.

On this you have to trust me but I have listened and watched and from what I see its been pretty quiet for the last 2000 years.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 11:44:17 AM EDT
After I finished earenstly praying for W to win, I closed my prayer with, "Dear Lord..... THY Will be done!"


My faith is not based upon the outcome of elections!
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:31:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By u-baddog:

Originally Posted By DerekR:
God doesnt ignore you, he actually pays very close attention.

You only have to hear his voice.



Thank you for the responce, it was kind.

On this you have to trust me but I have listened and watched and from what I see its been pretty quiet for the last 2000 years.



Well u-baddog, don't give up.

Keep searching and you will find Him. He promises that.

Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
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