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Posted: 10/12/2008 7:17:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2008 7:17:50 PM EDT by hondaciv]
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"Ashley McIntosh was killed in a violent collision with a Fairfax County police officer who ran a red light at a high speed with no siren on February 12, 2008.

The officer was charged with reckless driving and went to trial.

The court found that the officer's actions were not reckless and delivered a not guilty verdict."
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:18:49 PM EDT
What is the law on running code in VA?
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:18:51 PM EDT
IBTSS
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:21:20 PM EDT


Will he get sued?
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:21:35 PM EDT
odd that i dont remember seeing this on the news or anything when it happend
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:22:51 PM EDT
Some more equal than others.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:23:22 PM EDT

How could this happen? Because Virginia law says an officer's speed and use of lights and siren when driving through a red light are determined by what is "reasonably necessary." In otherwords, at the discretion of the officer. .


That's Fucked up
all those car out on a rain day and this dumbass doesn't think it is necessary to use lights and siren and .gov say that ok..................great training
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:27:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:27:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2008 7:31:42 PM EDT by BulletBait]

Originally Posted By CRC:


Will he get sued?
The op said the cop got off.

hate to say it, but the jury was right.

ETA: and the law needs to be changed.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:27:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tony7189:
Some more equal than others.


Yup
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:28:37 PM EDT
Trial by Jury or Judge only?

I can't see how any jury would not find that completely negligent.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:28:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:29:52 PM EDT
What do you bet he declined a jury trial and let the judge decide.  A jury would have likely found him guilty.  A judge was more likely to interpret law and policy in his favor.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:30:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2008 7:32:05 PM EDT by Justa_TXguy]
I hate to judge without knowing all the facts but...

that officer was running with no siren, in the rain, and ran a light.  Pretty damning to me.

I couldn't tell, but did he slow down at the light?  With the long line of people in the turning lane, he would have had very little or no way to see oncoming traffic from the left.


Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:31:36 PM EDT
Anyone have a link to other info?

If his camera was on, wouldn't his lights be on?  Even if, It looks reckless to me.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:32:06 PM EDT
wow....hope it was an important call
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:32:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:33:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VoodooChile:
wow....hope it was an important call


Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:35:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BulletBait:

Originally Posted By CRC:


Will he get sued?
The op said the cop got off.

hate to say it, but the jury was right.

ETA: and the law needs to be changed.



Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
Explain?

did above, hit " enter " one line too soon.

Basically, the law says it's the cops discretion.
He chose poorly, but it was still a legal poor choice.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:35:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
I hate to judge without knowing all the facts but...

that officer was running with no siren, in the rain, and ran a light.  Pretty damning to me.

I couldn't tell, but did he slow down at the light?  With the long line of people in the turning lane, he would have had very little or no way to see oncoming traffic from the left.




Well the lights were on, they were turned on when he entered the prior intersection, there is an "L" icon that comes on.

He's also on the brakes from the prior intersection, almost up to the crash.

That's kinda the problem. It's his responsibilty to "clear" the intersections he is approaching.  
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:35:48 PM EDT
poor bastard
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:35:59 PM EDT
A few months ago a cop here was running 75 in a 35 and killed a guy leaving work. He goes on trial for manslaughter next month.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:36:59 PM EDT

Officer Involved Crash in Mount Vernon Area  
           A police officer was involved in a two-car crash at approximately 5 p.m., February 12 at the intersection of Richmond Highway and Boswell Drive. A 33-year-old Alexandria-area woman driving a Toyota sedan pulled onto Route 1 and was struck by a police Ford Crown Victoria, headed northbound on Route 1. The officer was responding to a call for service and had activated the cruiser’s emergency lights. The Alexandria-area woman suffered life-threatening injuries and was transported to Inova Fairfax Hospital. The officer was treated for her injuries and released.

           Crash Reconstruction Unit detectives are in the early stages of their investigation into determining the factors of the crash. The officer is 22 years old and has been with the department for one year.

www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2008/021308crash.htm
so it seems the lights where on, but you can't see through cars like you can hear, and it was a female cop
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:38:20 PM EDT
And some folks wonder where the PR problem cops have comes from.  It might the legal for him to drive like that, but most of the common folks don't agree.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:39:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2008 7:42:31 PM EDT by kybosshog420]

Originally Posted By OLY-M4gery:

Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
I hate to judge without knowing all the facts but...

that officer was running with no siren, in the rain, and ran a light.  Pretty damning to me.

I couldn't tell, but did he slow down at the light?  With the long line of people in the turning lane, he would have had very little or no way to see oncoming traffic from the left.




Well the lights were on, they were turned on when She entered the prior intersection, there is an "L" icon that comes on.

SHe's also on the brakes from the prior intersection, almost up to the crash.

That's kinda the problem. It's heris responsibilty to "clear" the intersections She is approaching.  
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:39:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2008 7:40:04 PM EDT by armoredsaint]

Originally Posted By kybosshog420:

Officer Involved Crash in Mount Vernon Area  
           A police officer was involved in a two-car crash at approximately 5 p.m., February 12 at the intersection of Richmond Highway and Boswell Drive. A 33-year-old Alexandria-area woman driving a Toyota sedan pulled onto Route 1 and was struck by a police Ford Crown Victoria, headed northbound on Route 1. The officer was responding to a call for service and had activated the cruiser’s emergency lights. The Alexandria-area woman suffered life-threatening injuries and was transported to Inova Fairfax Hospital. The officer was treated for her injuries and released.

           Crash Reconstruction Unit detectives are in the early stages of their investigation into determining the factors of the crash. The officer is 22 years old and has been with the department for one year.

www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2008/021308crash.htm
so it seems the lights where on, but you can't see through cars like you can hear, and it was a female cop


WOW only a cop for 1 year and 22...
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:40:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kybosshog420:

Officer Involved Crash in Mount Vernon Area  
           A police officer was involved in a two-car crash at approximately 5 p.m., February 12 at the intersection of Richmond Highway and Boswell Drive. A 33-year-old Alexandria-area woman driving a Toyota sedan pulled onto Route 1 and was struck by a police Ford Crown Victoria, headed northbound on Route 1. The officer was responding to a call for service and had activated the cruiser’s emergency lights. The Alexandria-area woman suffered life-threatening injuries and was transported to Inova Fairfax Hospital. The officer was treated for her injuries and released.

           Crash Reconstruction Unit detectives are in the early stages of their investigation into determining the factors of the crash. The officer is 22 years old and has been with the department for one year.

www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2008/021308crash.htm
so it seems the lights where on, but you can't see through cars like you can hear, and it was a female cop


What is a call for service?
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:45:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2008 8:01:10 PM EDT by kybosshog420]

Originally Posted By GeorgeInNePa:

Originally Posted By kybosshog420:

Officer Involved Crash in Mount Vernon Area  
           A police officer was involved in a two-car crash at approximately 5 p.m., February 12 at the intersection of Richmond Highway and Boswell Drive. A 33-year-old Alexandria-area woman driving a Toyota sedan pulled onto Route 1 and was struck by a police Ford Crown Victoria, headed northbound on Route 1. The officer was responding to a call for service and had activated the cruiser’s emergency lights. The Alexandria-area woman suffered life-threatening injuries and was transported to Inova Fairfax Hospital. The officer was treated for her injuries and released.

           Crash Reconstruction Unit detectives are in the early stages of their investigation into determining the factors of the crash. The officer is 22 years old and has been with the department for one year.

www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2008/021308crash.htm
so it seems the lights where on, but you can't see through cars like you can hear, and it was a female cop


What is a call for service?



The officer was responding to a call involving a shoplifter and a fight, Gotthardt said.


He did say that Perry was responding to a report of two men beating another man, which turned out to be two men capturing a suspected shoplifter.


Officers were investigating whether the icy conditions played a role in the crash


www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/14/AR2008021403704.html


McIntosh was thrown from her car and died the next day. She was a kindergarten teacher's assistant at Clermont Elementary School, a job she had always wanted, and was engaged to be married this summer, her family said


The misdemeanor charge against Perry did not please either side. McIntosh's family had hoped for a more serious charge, such as manslaughter. The Fairfax police union, and Perry, had hoped for no charge. ....................................................
Morrogh said yesterday that Perry's actions constituted a "momentary lapse of judgment" that did not rise to the level of manslaughter but did warrant a charge of reckless driving.


define:Manslaughter

1 Unlawful killing without intent to kill. It can be voluntary (such as a deadly fist fight) or involuntary (such as an accident caused by a speeding car).

2 An act of killing a human being unlawfully but not willfully (as opposed to murder)

3 Manslaughter is a legal term for the killing of a human in a manner considered by law as less culpable than murder.

4 is the killing of a human being, but without the type of intent required for murder

and so on

So icy roads middle of day lots of car, then when do you turn siren on ?


Meredith Heller, McIntosh's sister, said: "I guess Ray Morrogh finds a momentary lapse of judgment, which resulted in an officer killing my sister, acceptable. Whereas I, as a citizen, cannot. I would be curious to know, if the roles were reversed, what charges would my sister have faced."
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:45:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
A few months ago a cop here was running 75 in a 35 and killed a guy leaving work. He goes on trial for manslaughter next month.

Why was the cop going so fast?
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:47:55 PM EDT
wow that makes me mad
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:51:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
How can that not be the very definition of "reckless"?

That's impossible.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:51:42 PM EDT
Don't know the rules out there. Here the cop broke the rules and he and his employer would be held liable.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:56:06 PM EDT
Shitty. No innocent person deserves to die like that.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 7:59:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Agilt:

Originally Posted By Tony7189:
Some more equal than others.


Yup


It would seem.  What a crock of shit.  

-X
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:09:35 PM EDT
That sucks.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:11:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BulletBait:

Originally Posted By triburst1:
A few months ago a cop here was running 75 in a 35 and killed a guy leaving work. He goes on trial for manslaughter next month.

Why was the cop going so fast?


Responding to an alarm at a business which turned out to be a false alarm.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:11:31 PM EDT
Murderer.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:13:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tony7189:
Some more equal than others.






No settlement for next of kin, right?
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:15:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
How can that not be the very definition of "reckless"?

That's impossible.


Yep, but this still holds true.


_________________________________
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:15:55 PM EDT
In Florida, even with lights on, emergency vehicles must slow at a red light to ensure green side traffic has stopped and sees the vehicle.  We did a hypothetical case on this last semester.  It's a darn shame all the way around.  If the training was what has been implied, then the verdict was correct.  Wrong, but correct.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:16:18 PM EDT
KArma will catch up hopefull  y hell be eaten alive and concious by fireants.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:17:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
How can that not be the very definition of "reckless"?

That's impossible.



No siren, obstructed view for any vehicles approaching from the left, and through a red light no less.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:18:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Star_Scream:
KArma will catch up hopefull  y hell be eaten alive and concious by fireants.


It was a she. Not that it changes anything.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:25:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GeorgeInNePa:

Originally Posted By kybosshog420:

Officer Involved Crash in Mount Vernon Area  
           A police officer was involved in a two-car crash at approximately 5 p.m., February 12 at the intersection of Richmond Highway and Boswell Drive. A 33-year-old Alexandria-area woman driving a Toyota sedan pulled onto Route 1 and was struck by a police Ford Crown Victoria, headed northbound on Route 1. The officer was responding to a call for service and had activated the cruiser’s emergency lights. The Alexandria-area woman suffered life-threatening injuries and was transported to Inova Fairfax Hospital. The officer was treated for her injuries and released.

           Crash Reconstruction Unit detectives are in the early stages of their investigation into determining the factors of the crash. The officer is 22 years old and has been with the department for one year.

www.fairfaxcounty.gov/police/news-releases/2008/021308crash.htm
so it seems the lights where on, but you can't see through cars like you can hear, and it was a female cop


What is a call for service?


Basically, a call for service is the generic name for any reactive issue the police deal with.

When someone calls and asks for the cops it is a "call for service"
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:32:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By BulletBait:

Originally Posted By triburst1:
A few months ago a cop here was running 75 in a 35 and killed a guy leaving work. He goes on trial for manslaughter next month.

Why was the cop going so fast?


Responding to an alarm at a business which turned out to be a false alarm.

Whether it was false or not is irrelevant.
It wasn't a life or death call.
Does Kentucky have the same discretionary use of lights and siren rules like VA?
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:53:05 PM EDT
And the cop gets off without even a slap on the rist,whats new.

With guys like that out there whos life is really on the line every day?


Link Posted: 10/12/2008 8:59:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cbrooks:
And the cop gets off without even a slap on the rist,whats new.

With guys like that out there whos life is really on the line every day?




The civil suit is next.....
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 9:04:08 PM EDT
Stupid bitch cop.  I hope she burns for all eternity for being a stupid cunt.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 9:10:18 PM EDT
Two legs (with badge) good...two legs (no badge) baddddd.

CoC prevents me from any other comments
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 4:07:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2008 4:13:24 AM EDT by Bama-Shooter]
Link Posted: 10/13/2008 4:15:35 AM EDT
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