User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 7:29:49 PM EDT
[#1]
I say you need to set down the crack pipe.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 7:30:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Meh. Their drug cartel problem isn't our fault. Rampant, out of control corruption is their fault.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 7:32:44 PM EDT
[#3]
The border could be secured if the govt. really wanted it to happen.
Also, if businesses were punished harshly enough for hiring illegals that would slow down drastically as well. With the constant influx of illegals, and the ever growing system of entitlements in this country, we are pretty much fucked. Invading them would just make us responsible for all mexicans, not just the ones who are here illegally. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 7:33:03 PM EDT
[#4]
Seal the border, then station troops on it. But ultamatly thet best course of action is to legalize narcotics.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 7:33:14 PM EDT
[#5]
We don't need to invade. Just wait for the Mexican Gov't to collapse.In the chaos that follows, the international community will insist that we intervene. Then we install a puppet Gov't and eliminate the cartels.
After that, we start drilling the shit out of Mexicos oil reserves. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 7:40:53 PM EDT
[#6]
They have to WANT to get better. Like an alcoholic, they won't change until they admit they have a problem.
For now, the elite of Mexico don't see it as a problem that the half-breeds are killing each other. Eventually, the problem goes away. If you KNEW what the real situation was in Mexico and how it has been that way since Spanish colonial times, you would understand why the crap won't change until another revolution. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 7:44:39 PM EDT
[#7]
Wasnt there a thread just like this a short time ago ??
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 7:48:05 PM EDT
[#8]
The Romans decided to do the same thing by invading and trying to fight the Germanic tribes of the North, what eventually happened is that the Romans became like the Germanic Barbarians themselves instead of the Germans becoming like the Romans this is eventually what led to the collapse of the Roman Empire.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 7:50:25 PM EDT
[#9]
We should. No nation building B.S.
Scorched fucking Earth all the way to Mexico City. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 7:56:16 PM EDT
[#10]
Money for starters.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:00:47 PM EDT
[#11]
How many calling for invasion are in uniform now? How many of those have been in our current wars? War sucks.Your friends get their guts blown out so everyone can say "we" are at war.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:04:53 PM EDT
[#12]
Your spending too much time thinking over a very simple problem and solution.
The problem is obvious as is the solution, which is to put troops on the border to shoot anything that moves. Sure there would be some people killed, but not more than 5,000 to 6,000 that are currently dying or being murdered while trying to cross to cross the border nowadays. There would also be a reduction in violent crime North of the border, all of which would result in many lives being saved and less strain on our Judicial system as well as the overall economy. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:17:29 PM EDT
[#13]
They have oil and fat-assed women.
The rest, we can scorch that. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:18:11 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Meh. Their drug cartel problem isn't our fault. Rampant, out of control corruption is their fault. ours too |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:19:07 PM EDT
[#15]
end the drug war, seal the border, crackdown on illegals
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:20:26 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
They have become a direct threat to the U.S. They're about as much of a "threat" as Canada. Most of the talk about violence spilling across the border to the U.S. side is just that - Talk. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:22:35 PM EDT
[#17]
Mexicans want to come here so why not help them out. Divide Mexico into 3 or 4 states, make them speak 'merican and be done with it.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:23:21 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
The border could be secured if the govt. really wanted it to happen. Also, if businesses were punished harshly enough for hiring illegals that would slow down drastically as well. With the constant influx of illegals, and the ever growing system of entitlements in this country, we are pretty much fucked. Invading them would just make us responsible for all mexicans, not just the ones who are here illegally. there is _A person that says otherwise and claims it is a waste of time and money to do so nor is it possible to secure / close of the Boarder. I say build a set up like the East Germans did (not necessarily with all the killing equipment they used) but build a wide enough area so that nobody will get through. and do what is mentioned above in regards to Companies and Businesses No more Health Insurance - No more free money - no more free school - all in all nothing free for anybody that can not proof they are a legal Citizen or legal Alien |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:25:01 PM EDT
[#19]
People never learn from history... by invading all we'd be doing is repeating history.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:25:47 PM EDT
[#20]
Because we'd have to be responsible for them?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:26:23 PM EDT
[#21]
Mexico needs a libertarian revolution, not an invasion.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:26:52 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Meh. Their drug cartel problem isn't our fault. Rampant, out of control corruption is their fault. ours too Come on, let's be honest, Americans buy those drugs. And the profits fuel the corruption. Our government and our people are complicit. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:27:35 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Meh. Their drug cartel problem isn't our fault. Rampant, out of control corruption is their fault. ours too Come on, let's be honest, Americans buy those drugs. And the profits fuel the corruption. Our government and our people are complicit. How? Are they legal? |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:43:21 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
We don't need to invade. Just wait for the Mexican Gov't to collapse.In the chaos that follows, the international community will insist that we intervene. Then we install a puppet Gov't and eliminate the cartels. After that, we start drilling the shit out of Mexicos oil reserves. Best thing i've heard all day. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:46:40 PM EDT
[#25]
Maybe because its a sovereign nation? It doesn't belong to us.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:51:18 PM EDT
[#26]
We're behind schedule. We were there in 1846-1848 and again in 1916-1917. They just don't play well and get along with the neighbors. Maybe the third time is the charm or three strikes and you're out.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:52:09 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Meh. Their drug cartel problem isn't our fault. Rampant, out of control corruption is their fault. ours too Come on, let's be honest, Americans buy those drugs. And the profits fuel the corruption. Our government and our people are complicit. How? Are they legal? None of it is legal. That's why the profits are high and the activity is recklessly violent. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 8:52:17 PM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: You don't feel like we're being invaded from the south as it is?The Romans decided to do the same thing by invading and trying to fight the Germanic tribes of the North, what eventually happened is that the Romans became like the Germanic Barbarians themselves instead of the Germans becoming like the Romans this is eventually what led to the collapse of the Roman Empire. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 9:00:25 PM EDT
[#29]
I don't know, I just see this invasion plan as a tough sell to the American public, but then again, maybe if it's presented properly.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 9:15:56 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: Quoted: The border could be secured if the govt. really wanted it to happen. Also, if businesses were punished harshly enough for hiring illegals that would slow down drastically as well. With the constant influx of illegals, and the ever growing system of entitlements in this country, we are pretty much fucked. Invading them would just make us responsible for all mexicans, not just the ones who are here illegally. there is _A person that says otherwise and claims it is a waste of time and money to do so nor is it possible to secure / close of the Boarder. I say build a set up like the East Germans did (not necessarily with all the killing equipment they used) but build a wide enough area so that nobody will get through. and do what is mentioned above in regards to Companies and Businesses No more Health Insurance - No more free money - no more free school - all in all nothing free for anybody that can not proof they are a legal Citizen or legal Alien No matter what you do on the BORDER, it will never be 'sealed'. It's a waste of money. Internal enforcement is the solution to the illegal immigrant problem... And we will eventually have to invade Mexico AGAIN - just like we do EVERY OTHER TIME that their govt takes a shit You guys act like it's a 'novel' event... It's not... MX govt falls apart, we invade Mexico... That's how it's always been. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 9:29:29 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Meh. Their drug cartel problem isn't our fault. Rampant, out of control corruption is their fault. ours too Come on, let's be honest, Americans buy those drugs. And the profits fuel the corruption. Our government and our people are complicit. How? Are they legal? None of it is legal. That's why the profits are high and the activity is recklessly violent. But if the drugs are ILLEGAL and we are stopping as much of it as possible, once it crosses the border, why isn't Mexico doing any more? Complicit means both sides are looking the other way. Not to say there isn't any bribery here but in Mexico, it is the way of doing business. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 9:32:00 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
They have to WANT to get better. Like an alcoholic, they won't change until they admit they have a problem. For now, the elite of Mexico don't see it as a problem that the half-breeds are killing each other. Eventually, the problem goes away. If you KNEW what the real situation was in Mexico and how it has been that way since Spanish colonial times, you would understand why the crap won't change until another revolution. This is some good truth, Mexico is a 500 year old rotten onion, the layers are not always obvious to most in the US. My personal opinion is that the lowest class of oppressed people away from the civilization never had a COMPLETE revolution, just a change of masters every few hundred or hundred years, and it's time for another cycle. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 9:34:41 PM EDT
[#33]
Becuase Mexico is the Middle East of North America.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 9:39:01 PM EDT
[#34]
It has been considered occupying Mexico, but the problem was that we'd have to deal with the alien population.
Pretty smart! |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 9:43:10 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Wasnt there a thread just like this a short time ago ?? Yes. Its pretty regular. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 9:43:38 PM EDT
[#36]
We should secure the border and treat those that cross without papers as spies and saboteurs.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 10:06:21 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: Quoted: They have to WANT to get better. Like an alcoholic, they won't change until they admit they have a problem. For now, the elite of Mexico don't see it as a problem that the half-breeds are killing each other. Eventually, the problem goes away. If you KNEW what the real situation was in Mexico and how it has been that way since Spanish colonial times, you would understand why the crap won't change until another revolution. This is some good truth, Mexico is a 500 year old rotten onion, the layers are not always obvious to most in the US. My personal opinion is that the lowest class of oppressed people away from the civilization never had a COMPLETE revolution, just a change of masters every few hundred or hundred years, and it's time for another cycle. After every revolution, the ruling class further tramples the freedoms with laws and bullshit. It is impossible for any movement on the social ladder. NAFTA nearly killed the corn farmers who LEASED the land from the landed gentry. Unable to compete with imported USA corn, they couldn't make the lease payments so the fields are fallow. There is a large settlement of Mennonites in North Central Mexico, some still speak German and are an isolated society. But they make it just fine. They got there before the last revolution, such immigration today is illegal for all practical purposes because it might motivate climbing the social ladder. Really fucked up...I've spoken to a few of them in broken German-Spanish, they are incredibly xenophobic. That is the only way they survive, isolation. Southern Mexico is even worse, there is very little Spanish influence but plenty of Marxist brainwashing from Central and South America. Some actually believe they were forced out of the Southwest United States although this is also spreading north. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 10:18:10 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
end the drug war, seal the border, crackdown on illegals GD can't fap to that. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 10:18:53 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
Wasnt there a thread just like this a short time ago ?? Was the other thread just before or after another U.S. visitor to Mexico (american missionary) was shot through the back of the head because the Zetas liked her fancy pick-up truck? |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 10:23:49 PM EDT
[#40]
Internal enforcement is the solution to the illegal immigrant problem...
I think you have mentioned this polyanna scheme before. Studies have shown that you cannot control the illegal immigration with internal enforcement, if the ebb and flow across the border is an out of control chaotic event. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 10:34:57 PM EDT
[#41]
Do they have oil?
Need oil. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 10:38:30 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:
Mexico? They have become a direct threat to the U.S. and the Mexican Government cannot keep the peace on their side of the border. Their Police are giving up and quiting and the Cartels are killing American and Mexican citizens and have made it quite clear that they want us out of Mexico. We have millions of Mexican criminals right here in the U.S. and I see no reason that they will not be attacking us right here where we live just like they are on the border. Even peaceable Mexican nationals are fleeing the border towns on the Mexican side. We simpley cannot wait for them to come for us. I think we should invade and occupy say, the first two hundred and fifty miles into Mexico as a buffer zone. We should also take back all of the jobs that were shipped to Mexico through the free trade act. What say YOU! 10mm, when you care enough to send the very best. Puff, Puff, Give! Pass that shit and quit smokin' it all to your head! |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 10:58:02 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
No matter what you do on the BORDER, it will never be 'sealed'. While I do not advocate sealing the border, let me make it clear that the forced depopulation of a barrier zone, followed by the liberal application of landmines and armed drones would cease all casual border traffic along with all but the most dedicated infiltration. I have no interest in seeing that, though. What keeps others out, also keeps me in. No thanks. It's a waste of money.
True. And we will eventually have to invade Mexico AGAIN - just like we do EVERY OTHER TIME that their govt takes a shit
You guys act like it's a 'novel' event... It's not... MX govt falls apart, we invade Mexico... That's how it's always been. Yeah... But it used to be fun. Invading Mexico lost its appeal when we could no longer empty their pubs of spirits and take their women home with us. Now it just sucks. Also, the addition of IEDs to the mix makes it a lot more bloody for us. Mexico has never been able to hurt us in a fight... But they could make us bleed through insurgency if we have to stay there for any amount of time. TR85. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 11:44:36 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted: Do they have oil? Need oil. Pemex, the worst run state-owned monopoly next to PDVSA, Venezuela's state-owned monopoly. There is another shining example of how fucked up the world is...no private ownership means CORRUPTION. And piss-poor management. We get more oil from Pemex than Saudi Arabia. And a lot of it is shit-crude called Heavy Mayan. Valero, the largest refiner in the USA is equipped to handle it. The WORST privately held petroleum company is MILES ahead of the BEST state-owned operation. Safety, environmental and economically speaking. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 11:46:36 PM EDT
[#45]
And we should get Canada too!
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 11:53:42 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
Mexico? They have become a direct threat to the U.S. and the Mexican Government cannot keep the peace on their side of the border. Their Police are giving up and quiting and the Cartels are killing American and Mexican citizens and have made it quite clear that they want us out of Mexico. We have millions of Mexican criminals right here in the U.S. and I see no reason that they will not be attacking us right here where we live just like they are on the border. Even peaceable Mexican nationals are fleeing the border towns on the Mexican side. We simpley cannot wait for them to come for us. I think we should invade and occupy say, the first two hundred and fifty miles into Mexico as a buffer zone. We should also take back all of the jobs that were shipped to Mexico through the free trade act. What say YOU! 10mm, when you care enough to send the very best. A couple of points: 1) Mexico is not a threat to the U.S., The Cartels are a threat to a small population of the U.S. 2) The Cartels are in power due to our failed war on drugs. 3) The Cartels are not "coming for us". That would be bad for business 4) Unless you are willing to volunteer the next 20 years of your life to serve in this occupation, don't fucking volunteer other people. 5) Invading Mexico would not bring a single job back to the U.S. 6) Could you pass the pipe? |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2011 11:59:55 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: And we should get Canada too! All but Quebec and Newfoundland. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/29/2011 12:05:35 AM EDT
[#48]
Quoted: Quoted: And we should get Canada too! All but Quebec and Newfoundland. The Anglosphere should work together to rule the world as we see fit. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/29/2011 12:06:25 AM EDT
[#49]
Because we'd be stuck with Mexico... what the fuck would we do with it?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/29/2011 12:13:18 AM EDT
[#50]
Quoted: Because we'd be stuck with Mexico... what the fuck would we do with it? We cannot conquer it. Settled land. What they need is a scientific revolution..not technical science but social science. They have been polluted by post-Moorish Spanish thought. Because Spain was embroiled in the Moorish domination, the roots of science, that being cause and effect, were never discovered. So they just continued treating xenotypes as a sub-class. You think race is a problem here? Try being of African descent in Mexico. It is worse than 1890 Southern US. Mexico needs enlightenment. Locke and Hobbes. Franklin and Jefferson. But they must supply their own. |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
