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Posted: 1/24/2006 5:32:12 AM EDT
This may not be the right place to ask this, but what would be the minimum caliber for a handgun for bear attack denfese?? I was thinking .41mag, say 210 gr lead?
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:36:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By matthelimech:
This may not be the right place to ask this, but what would be the minimum caliber for a handgun for bear attack denfese?? I was thinking .41mag, say 210 gr lead?



That would be ideal, I got to see what that combo will do to a grizzly 2 years ago. You couldn't ask for better.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:38:57 AM EDT
Personally, I'd want a .44 Mag
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:41:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 5:44:39 AM EDT by xinflt]
You should be fine with a .22 or a .38 and your assault wheelbarrow!

edit: ...'cause anything else will just make him mad!
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:41:25 AM EDT
FWIW, most outfitters I'm aware of agree with both choices above, but prefer no smaller than a 41 mag w/ 44 mag preferred.

Mike
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:41:33 AM EDT
.22LR .....


Shoot the guy next to you in the knee, then run like hell.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:42:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ANGST:
.22LR .....


Shoot the guy next to you in the knee, then run like hell.



You know, thats why divers carry a knife too. If you see a shark, stick your partner with the knife them swim like hell.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:42:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:54:11 AM EDT
Think there is a good chance to run across a mean bear?

Carry a big rifle, not a pistol.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:08:06 AM EDT
Personally I don't think that a handgun offers the best protection against a bear attack - however it's better than nothing.
Actually statistics show that pepper spray is more effective against bears attacks than a handgun, however that wasn't your question....

My buddy uses this when he bow hunts Elk in bear country:

The cartridge in the middle is a .44 Mag, the cartridges on either side are .480 Ruger. Recovered softpoint bullet on the left and hollow point bullet on the right.
With the ported barrel it's not a difficult gun to shoot either.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:09:39 AM EDT
Either this:



Or this:



Personally, I'd go for something like this one:


Alaskan Co-Pilot Lever Action Rifle chambered in .45-70.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:18:29 AM EDT
Well I plan on carring a 12 ga. with slugs with me, but want something for back up. Also,are normal rifled slugs what I want for my shotgun?? its just an 18.5 H/D shotgun.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:21:14 AM EDT
I heard a tip from an old timer.

File off the front sight.


That way it doesn't hurt as much when the bear shoves the pistol up your butt.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:28:12 AM EDT
At the distance you would be if shooting a charging bear, it wont really matter what type of slugs you have, just make sure you hit the bear.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:29:37 AM EDT
'pends on the size of said bear and the speed of your feet
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:29:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By matthelimech:
Well I plan on carring a 12 ga. with slugs with me, but want something for back up. Also,are normal rifled slugs what I want for my shotgun?? its just an 18.5 H/D shotgun.



Yes, normal rifled slugs for a smoothbore.

Shok
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:31:20 AM EDT
I would just duct tape armor to my body and roundhouse kick the sob into submission.



Seriously......I would look to O_P's fine advice.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:32:36 AM EDT
it depends on the situation, but i'm partial to my .45LC for beer protection
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:34:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM:
www.ruger-firearms.com/Corporate/images/News-11-11-2004B.jpg



OUCH! I shot a full-size Freedom Arms in .454 Casull and it made my hand numb. I couldn't even imagine what that little mule would do to you. MJD
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:37:06 AM EDT
Doesn't really matter what you carry . . .

What matters is how fast you carry it.


I asked one old-timer this question and he said, "pick your favorite caliber and then coat the gun in bacon grease"

I asked him why and he said, "Then when the bear comes after you, you throw the gun one way, run the other and hope the bear chases the gun."
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:42:41 AM EDT
My woods walking gun is a Dan Wesson Razorback in 10mm which is very near 41 mag power.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:44:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AZ_Sky:
Actually statistics show that pepper spray is more effective against bears attacks than a handgun,


That's probably because most people carry things like .22 LR, .25 ACP, .32 Auto, and .38 Special. (Even then, that doesn't sound quite right). But, then again, if the bear is right up on top of you, you're probably SOL anyway, since shot placement is less forgiving than bullet diameter.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:48:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By intruder13:

Originally Posted By AZ_Sky:
Actually statistics show that pepper spray is more effective against bears attacks than a handgun,


That's probably because most people carry things like .22 LR, .25 ACP, .32 Auto, and .38 Special. (Even then, that doesn't sound quite right). But, then again, if the bear is right up on top of you, you're probably SOL anyway, since shot placement is less forgiving than bullet diameter.



It is probably because you can see the stream of pepper spray and get it onto the bears face.

The majority of people facing a charging bear would not be able to hit the bear with a round from a pistol, much less put a well placed shot into one.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:51:47 AM EDT
Well I don't paln on being very far away from my helicopter, but dont want him to follow me on top of it!!!
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 7:08:09 AM EDT
A. What kind of bear ? Are you talking those cub things Ya'll get down south or a real bear?
B. The best bear defense is a .22lr and a person you don't really like being with you .
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 8:03:23 AM EDT
if you're gonna bring a .41, bring it.

For an auto caliber, .357Sig or 10mm could work. Even a 9mm with plenty of luck and a standard capacity magazine might save you... might get you killed too.

Bigger = Better (If you can shoot it).
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 8:21:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By matthelimech:
This may not be the right place to ask this, but what would be the minimum caliber for a handgun for bear attack denfese?? I was thinking .41mag, say 210 gr lead?



.44 mag stoked with the biggest and hottest fodder.

Personally a 454 casull would probably give you a little ''breathing room'' in a tight.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 8:36:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By matthelimech:
Well I plan on carring a 12 ga. with slugs with me, but want something for back up. Also,are normal rifled slugs what I want for my shotgun?? its just an 18.5 H/D shotgun.



If it has a rifled barrel go with 3 in mags in rifled.

If it is a smoothbore then go with 3in mags in sabot or foster type slugs.

If you don't do anything else practice,practice, practice.

Use a teflon type lubricant like rem oil or the equivalant.

Oh and two other pieces of advise.

BOOM HEADSHOT!!!

BOOM HEADSHOT!!!


Good hunting
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 8:40:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By nightowl7:

Originally Posted By matthelimech:
Well I plan on carring a 12 ga. with slugs with me, but want something for back up. Also,are normal rifled slugs what I want for my shotgun?? its just an 18.5 H/D shotgun.



If it has a rifled barrel go with 3 in mags in rifled.

If it is a smoothbore then go with 3in mags in sabot or foster type slugs.

If you don't do anything else practice,practice, practice.

Use a teflon type lubricant like rem oil or the equivalant.

Oh and two other pieces of advise.

BOOM HEADSHOT!!!

BOOM HEADSHOT!!!


Good hunting



Arent sabots for a rifled barrel ?
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 9:26:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By nightowl7:

Originally Posted By matthelimech:
Well I plan on carring a 12 ga. with slugs with me, but want something for back up. Also,are normal rifled slugs what I want for my shotgun?? its just an 18.5 H/D shotgun.



If it has a rifled barrel go with 3 in mags in rifledsabots.

If it is a smoothbore then go with 3in mags in sabot or foster type slugs
rifled slugs.
If you don't do anything else practice,practice, practice.

Use a teflon type lubricant like rem oil or the equivalant.

Oh and two other pieces of advise.

BOOM HEADSHOT!!!

BOOM HEADSHOT!!!


Good hunting



Fixed it.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 9:28:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 9:33:12 AM EDT by Alien]
The park rangers that killed the bear that killed that bear lover dude in Alaska had .40S&W semi autos. No I don't advocate carrying only a .40 for protection. I'd want a big bore revolver myself! Or maybe a .50 Desert Eagle!
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 11:56:13 AM EDT
.44mag at least.


However, I've never been a fan of revolvers. 10mmAuto for me, preferrably in a Colt Delta Elite, but I'll take a *gasp* glock 20
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 12:21:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mall-Ninja:
.44mag at least.


However, I've never been a fan of revolvers. 10mmAuto for me, preferrably in a Colt Delta Elite, but I'll take a *gasp* glock 20



I don't get it. You recommend at least a .44 mag, but you would use a 10mm, which is less powerful than the .41? That would work fine for a black bear, but against a brown/grizzly bear?

My miminum would be a .41 loaded with 250 gr hard cast bullets (my own loads give me almost 1500 fps out of a 7.5" S&W M657). Bigger would be better, definitely.

Grizzly bears are about the only practical use for a .500 S&W.
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