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Posted: 9/27/2011 9:05:00 AM EST
Hey guys,

can someone clarify what is deemed pinning a stock?

I have a Kriss Super V and took it to a shop to get a compact bag for it. The LE people at the store highly recommended that I pin the stock.

I have looked at the Kriss Stock before moving to NY and figured out a way to pin the stock without permanently damaging anything.


The Kriss Super V is held together by 4 pins and one pin to hold the stock onto the upper reciever, where the hinge is.

There is a large release button on the left side of the stock to release it and allow the stock to fold.

I removed the stock and looking down at the catch of the stock. there is a small square hole. I filled that hole with a piece of plastic from a large zip tie. it is a perfect fit. I then used a strip of gaffer tape to cover up the ziptie piece, so it cant fall out when the stock is detached.

Now I have to slide the stock on sideways, let the catch engage and then insert the hinge pin.

You cannot fold the stock unless you pop the hinge pin. Also you cannot get to the plastic ziptie block without removing the stock.

This should satisfy the folding stock issue with my Kriss right?

i will post pics when I get home.
Link Posted: 9/27/2011 9:07:34 AM EST
Is it a law in your state to pin the stock? // Why would you want to pin the stock for?

Link Posted: 9/27/2011 9:10:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By evenflow:
Is it a law in your state to pin the stock? // Why would you want to pin the stock for?



Sounds like he's moving to New York.

Not to side-track this, but how do you like the Kriss? I've been toying around with setting one up as a suppressed SBR.
Link Posted: 9/27/2011 9:11:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By evenflow:
Is it a law in your state to pin the stock? // Why would you want to pin the stock for?



I think he's moving to NY I can't fucking tell.
Link Posted: 9/27/2011 9:16:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By Solscud007:
Hey guys,

can someone clarify what is deemed pinning a stock?

I have a Kriss Super V and took it to a shop to get a compact bag for it. The LE people at the store highly recommended that I pin the stock.

I have looked at the Kriss Stock before moving to NY and figured out a way to pin the stock without permanently damaging anything.


The Kriss Super V is held together by 4 pins and one pin to hold the stock onto the upper reciever, where the hinge is.

There is a large release button on the left side of the stock to release it and allow the stock to fold.

I removed the stock and looking down at the catch of the stock. there is a small square hole. I filled that hole with a piece of plastic from a large zip tie. it is a perfect fit. I then used a strip of gaffer tape to cover up the ziptie piece, so it cant fall out when the stock is detached.

Now I have to slide the stock on sideways, let the catch engage and then insert the hinge pin.

You cannot fold the stock unless you pop the hinge pin. Also you cannot get to the plastic ziptie block without removing the stock.

This should satisfy the folding stock issue with my Kriss right?

i will post pics when I get home.



There is no approved means to pin stocks. There is a ton of grey areas but there is nothing that is really spelled out. If you can make it work again without the use of tools or destroying at least the pin I am going to say you are on the edge of the grey area into the danger area. Also depends on where in NY you are moving. LI or the lower hudson valley? Not sure I would be cool. Start moving upstate and you would likely not be harrassed
Link Posted: 9/27/2011 9:17:10 AM EST
This thread just gave me dejavu. I swear I have read a thread just like this one with the same exact replies but it was a few months ago.
Link Posted: 9/27/2011 9:26:13 AM EST
I doubt a zip tie and some tape would be acceptable. You might look into somehow drilling thru the hinge pin and making it not swivel with some roll pins and JB weld. Or even some kind of plate perminantly attached over the hinge. Sucks to destroy stuff due to dumb laws but is jail time worth a few bucks of plasitc?

I had to neuter stocks during the AWB, still makes me sad
Link Posted: 9/27/2011 9:39:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By Solscud007:


before moving to NY


Why would you do that to yourself?

Link Posted: 10/2/2011 12:47:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 12:51:09 PM EST by Solscud007]
Originally Posted By HullBreach:
Originally Posted By evenflow:
Is it a law in your state to pin the stock? // Why would you want to pin the stock for?



Sounds like he's moving to New York.

Not to side-track this, but how do you like the Kriss? I've been toying around with setting one up as a suppressed SBR.


I love the Kriss. One thing you can do, to help save money and tax stamp filing is to get the CARBINE and taxstamp for a suppressor. then permanently attach the suppressor to the Carbine. No need for SBR tax stamp.

Anyway I already moved to NY last October. Been here a year and havent shot anything. I moved to Rockland County which is lower Hudson Valley.

NYS does not allow two of the AWB critieria. One for sure is the folding stock. So i have to do something about it. The second one is the "pistol grip" which is debateable since the letter of the law is "conspicuous grip that protrudes beneath the action of the gun" On the Kriss, the grip does NOT protrude conspicuously and it is behind the action. However it is real gray area.

Here are some pictures of what I did to "pin" the stock.


Here you can see the channel that the catch slides back into in order to release the stock from the upper receiver.


This piece from a large Ziptie is a perfect fit for that channel.




Then I taped it over so the piece cant fall out.



Then I slide the stock to the left and when the hinge holes line up, I put the sling mount pin through it.



My sling mount pin is installed using a small hex wrench. Normally the stock pin is a simple push pin. one of the LEO suggested I use a non standar screw like a torx rather than hex. I will look into that. You cannot close the stock now without removing the stock sling mount pin.

I look at this like an AR-15 with full sized M-16 stock. Those stocks do not need to be permanently attached to the lower receiver. They are held with a bolt. Same as mine.

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