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Link Posted: 5/12/2022 1:50:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sherminator:

I remember reading somewhere that CVNs could push well over 40kts, enough to outrun Akulas that might hunt them. No idea if it's actually true, but wouldn't surprise me too much
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I do know the lowly USS Forrestal could put distance on a Soviet Kresta Cruiser with a shaft locked due to a bearing casualty.  Sure made the ship shake though.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 2:12:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By safes2small:
-0.07 in a Cub.

Slow flight into a headwind = negative ground speed.
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You "win"
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 5:47:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sherminator:

I remember reading somewhere that CVNs could push well over 40kts, enough to outrun Akulas that might hunt them. No idea if it's actually true, but wouldn't surprise me too much
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Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob:
Originally Posted By JDennis:

My brother is retired from the Navy and last year when we were out on his sail boat, he said pretty much every performance number on a ship or aircraft is complete BS. Still wouldn't tell me the goods on a few ships and jets I asked about.  Did tell me that if he told me what a carrier could do in calm seas vs what is reported, I wouldn't believe him.

Not one, but two huge nuclear reactors on tap? I bet it's hella fast.

I remember reading somewhere that CVNs could push well over 40kts, enough to outrun Akulas that might hunt them. No idea if it's actually true, but wouldn't surprise me too much

48 to 55 depending on boat and sea state is my estimate
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 5:49:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Pickle:
.845 in the L-1011.
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gs of 750
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 6:48:07 AM EDT
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2 min of fuel left?
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 7:08:34 AM EDT
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My F-150 with its tuned 3.5L Twin Turbo can do that easily.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 7:16:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:
1.39 in a F-18D here
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1.2 in the backseat.

Hardly knew it happened.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 7:19:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By L_JE:
An F-16 can't do this.  Sorry.
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The rest of the story


It was a clean jet doing an FCF.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 7:34:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By oscardeuce:



0.202 in the O-2A
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My old man was a AF FAC in those before moving to the A7D.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 7:46:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By agriebel:
2 min of fuel left?
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Yeah this was the part of the story that didn't ring true for me.  No fighter pilot is intentionally going to get to such a low fuel state AND keep the aircraft in afterburner.  That's total theatrical BS but if true the guy should have his wings ripped off.

I got to Mach 2 in an RF-4C (slick configuration) over the Pacific in 1987.  I actually did it several times.  The first time we climbed the jet up to 53000 feet (max for the F-4 was supposed to be 55K and we were wallowing around and couldn't push the altitude any further) and we were in full afterburner for 15 minutes before we pushed the nose over.  The jet was at around 1.6 Mach when we started the dive and we pushed over to 45º nose low.  We went through Mach 2 at around 29000 feet but the aircraft was shuddering petty badly and we experienced a violent jolt at one point (turned out we had ripped a piece of the underbelly paneling off the jet - my Squadron CO was not pleased).

We decided to rethink our strategy because pointing the aircraft at the ground didn't seem to be the best way to do things.  We rememebered that in F-4 flight training that an aircraft will max accelerate under unloaded/Zero-G conditions.  Our next attempt we got to 53K altitude and when we were at 1.6M and the aircraft would not accelerate any more we gently pushed the nose over until we were at Zero-G and we were light in the seat.  This resulted in max acceleration in a gentle arc instead of a suicide run for the ground!

The jet broke Mach 2 aound 40K feet (no shuddering this time) and top speed on that flight according to the Mach meter was 2.2M.  After that just about all the guys in my squadron made their own successful attempts at breaking Mach 2.  We even had special patches made up to commemorate the feat that we wore for a while until the commander told us to stop wearing them.  Good times.  The F-4 was a beast!
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 7:48:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BombCrater:



2 minutes of fuel left?  Did he glide it back?
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At max AB

At altitude and pulling back to idle he had plenty of fuel. Yes, in a way he did glide back.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 7:49:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PhantomDrvr:
Yeah this was the part of the story that didn't ring true for me.  No fighter pilot is intentionally going to get to such a low fuel state AND keep the aircraft in afterburner.
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I'm sure he's referencing being 2 mins from Bingo.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 7:52:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By L_JE:
The air blowing along the inside of an F-16 canopy comes from ... the engine.  The compressor and turbine I'm talking about aren't part of the engine, but part of a refrigeration system downstream of the compressor stages of the engine.  The heat sink for this refrigeration cycle is basically the full stagnation temperature of the aerodynamic flow.

The canopy sees this stagnation temperature only on a very limited region at the front of the canopy.  The majority of the canopy, say 80%, sees roughly 7/10ths of this aerodynamic heating.  And then, you have to factor in the thermal conduction and thermal capacitance of the polycarbonate canopy, the latter being rather significant.

The most common issue with a high flying aircraft is that the canopy is cold soaked at altitude in subsonic flight, and when descending into air with higher moisture content at lower altitudes, the inside of the canopy can fog or ice up because of thermal lag and insufficient canopy heating on the inside, and outside for that matter.  To overcome this thermal lag/capacitance, some aircraft will have heating elements embedded in the interior of the windscreen laminate.
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The 16 has no heating elements. It is all done via the ECS and there are vents on the glare shield along with the manually set defog lever on the side wall it directs airflow along the inside of the canopy.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 7:56:48 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/12/2022 8:21:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Circuits:

F'in commies have been building jet engines for 75 g-d years and can't figure out how to use stolen tech well enough to make an engine that doesn't need rebuilding 3-4x sooner than a similar Western engine. I doubt they're 3-4x cheaper to build, too.
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I think it's a materials thing. You can go 3.2 in an emergency intercept but things get melty in the motors.

I've heard from multiple sources including drivers here that the Mig-25 was extremely fast in real life, not just on paper.

Basically two fuck off big engines with wings.


Link Posted: 5/12/2022 8:51:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:

Solid.

In before Mach and 2.5
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Or BullF16.

Have not seen him around for quite some time, hope he's OK.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 8:57:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:
1.39 in a F-18D here
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Is that you Dusty 52?
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 8:57:45 AM EDT
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Indicated 145 a few times on one of these.  1972/1973.  Shorts, t-shirt, sneakers.  Bugs kinda hurt at 100+.  

I'd be tempted to leave my wife for a woman that wore cologne that smelled like combusted Klotz.  

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Link Posted: 5/12/2022 8:59:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MATTINFAIRBORN:
Indicated 145 a few times on one of these.  1972/1973.  Shorts, t-shirt, sneakers.  Bugs kinda hurt at 100+.  

I'd be tempted to leave my wife for a woman that wore cologne that smelled like combusted Klotz.  

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I couldn't get past 125 with mine, I was about 150 lbs too.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 8:59:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dagger41:

Or BullF16.

Have not seen him around for quite some time, hope he's OK.
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He’s banned, unfortunately. Good dude seemed to be having a tough time.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 9:01:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:

1.2 in the backseat.

Hardly knew it happened.
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Yeah it’s uneventful. It’s not like the movie The Right Stuff.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 9:02:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:

He’s banned, unfortunately. Good dude seemed to be having a tough time.
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Damn. That's unfortunate.
He wore his heart on his sleeve when it came to losing his wife.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 9:03:31 AM EDT
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310 in a C-130, here. I wasn't flying it.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 9:07:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cb4017:


I do know the lowly USS Forrestal could put distance on a Soviet Kresta Cruiser with a shaft locked due to a bearing casualty.  Sure made the ship shake though.
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Enterprise would rattle your brain at top speed. Felt like it was coming apart.

We had an H-60:have some sort of emergency one time where it couldn’t hover to land. I don’t know what the natural winds were but I do know the Big E had 60+ knots wind over the deck and successfully recovered the helo. No, I’m not saying she could do 60 but she was absolutely moving. I’d guess ship speed was 40+ knots.

Mobile Chernobyl
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 9:16:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MudEagle:

I'm sure he's referencing being 2 mins from Bingo.
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Originally Posted By PhantomDrvr:
Yeah this was the part of the story that didn't ring true for me.  No fighter pilot is intentionally going to get to such a low fuel state AND keep the aircraft in afterburner.

I'm sure he's referencing being 2 mins from Bingo.


Yep. Not just that but two minutes from bingo at full afterburner. Just throttle back to have more time.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 9:16:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JDennis:



My brother is retired from the Navy and last year when we were out on his sail boat, he said pretty much every performance number on a ship or aircraft is complete BS. Still wouldn't tell me the goods on a few ships and jets I asked about.  Did tell me that if he told me what a carrier could do in calm seas vs what is reported, I wouldn't believe him.
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I’ve heard the same thing from a radar operator on a carrier.  Vietnam era.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 9:19:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By L_JE:
If a Mig-23 canopy is failing, it's probably because it's trying to distance itself from that repulsive, depressing, teal-green cockpit.  The fucking thing is like trying to gaze through the Eiffel Tower.  I'm trying to think how they could fuck that up, but I keep circling back to the work "Soviet".

Fuck it I know.
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Link Posted: 5/12/2022 9:28:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Dagger41:

I couldn't get past 125 with mine, I was about 150 lbs too.
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Originally Posted By Dagger41:
Originally Posted By MATTINFAIRBORN:
Indicated 145 a few times on one of these.  1972/1973.  Shorts, t-shirt, sneakers.  Bugs kinda hurt at 100+.  

I'd be tempted to leave my wife for a woman that wore cologne that smelled like combusted Klotz.  

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/312702/1972_H2_jpg-2380895.JPG

I couldn't get past 125 with mine, I was about 150 lbs too.
Fatty.  I was stuck on a development product line curing a new synthetic rubber compound.  Improperly vented and smoky.  Something in the smoke damaged my liver.  My weight dropped to a bit under 140.  I'm 6'2".  Doc said I was going to croak.  I thought "Fuck it, I'm getting a 750".  Every few days I'd feel goodish enough to get out of bed and go for a ride.  Off work 6 months and felt unwell for a year.    

I'd run West to East on the then new bypass of St. Marys OH between a couple of exits.  Slightly downhill and often had a decent tailwind.  


Link Posted: 5/12/2022 9:29:14 AM EDT
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Oh shit I remember that!


0.138 In one of Franks fine piece of machinery.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 9:38:19 AM EDT
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Hmmmm did he take off from a treadmill?
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 9:46:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By oscardeuce:



0.202 in the O-2A
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:
1.39 in a F-18D here



0.202 in the O-2A


I managed -0.5g in a Cessna 172 and 161 knots IAS too.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:08:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By xd341:
If you are OK with junking the engines.
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Originally Posted By azjeeper:

3+?
If you are OK with junking the engines.

Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:12:07 AM EDT
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I was break-in speed limited to 90 mph bringing my 335i back from pickup in Ramstein. I got passed by a Smartcar.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:25:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By zephyr:
"Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check?"
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"Tower, I'm showing us closer to two-----thousand"....

@zephyr
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:34:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:

Enterprise would rattle your brain at top speed. Felt like it was coming apart.

We had an H-60:have some sort of emergency one time where it couldn’t hover to land. I don’t know what the natural winds were but I do know the Big E had 60+ knots wind over the deck and successfully recovered the helo. No, I’m not saying she could do 60 but she was absolutely moving. I’d guess ship speed was 40+ knots.

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I remember.  Did 72/73 cruise on the Enterprise.  High speed transit to Yankee Station from Alameda some of our escorts had to stage along our course because they couldn't keep up.   On the way home we went to the aid of a burning Liberian freighter.  Skipper (Ernest Tissot, odd I remember that) cleared flight decks, cat walks, weather decks, sponsons and kicked that thing in the butt.  It was fast.

A friend I met later in life was on one of the escorts for that cruise.  He told me when Big E went fast they had no hope of keeping up.  It may of been BS but he said on radar he's seen Enterprise go almost as fast as it's hull number.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:36:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By cb4017:


I remember.  Did 72/73 cruise on the Enterprise.  High speed transit to Yankee Station from Alameda some of our escorts had to stage along our course because they couldn't keep up.   On the way home we went to the aid of a burning Liberian freighter.  Skipper (Ernest Tissot, odd I remember that) cleared flight decks, cat walks, weather decks, sponsons and kicked that thing in the butt.  It was fast.

A friend I met later in life was on one of the escorts for that cruise.  He told me when Big E went fast they had no hope of keeping up.  It may of been BS but he said on radar he's seen Enterprise go almost as fast as it's hull number.
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2003,4,6 here…….

I’d love to see some pics of her if you have any.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:38:31 AM EDT
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I've been passed in a C-152 by auto traffic on the highway below.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:39:50 AM EDT
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You were in a 4G inverted dive with a Mig-28?  At what range?
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:41:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:

The rest of the story


It was a clean jet doing an FCF.
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:
Originally Posted By L_JE:
An F-16 can't do this.  Sorry.

The rest of the story


It was a clean jet doing an FCF.

And, from a descent starting at 50,000 feet, rather than a MAX acceleration starting at and holding 25,000 feet, and it looks like 2.0M was achieved at a more reasonable altitude of roughly 36,000 feet, which is where mission planning would take one for maximum TAS.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:50:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:


The 16 has no heating elements. It is all done via the ECS and there are vents on the glare shield along with the manually set defog lever on the side wall it directs airflow along the inside of the canopy.
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR:
Originally Posted By L_JE:
The air blowing along the inside of an F-16 canopy comes from ... the engine.  The compressor and turbine I'm talking about aren't part of the engine, but part of a refrigeration system downstream of the compressor stages of the engine.  The heat sink for this refrigeration cycle is basically the full stagnation temperature of the aerodynamic flow.

The canopy sees this stagnation temperature only on a very limited region at the front of the canopy.  The majority of the canopy, say 80%, sees roughly 7/10ths of this aerodynamic heating.  And then, you have to factor in the thermal conduction and thermal capacitance of the polycarbonate canopy, the latter being rather significant.

The most common issue with a high flying aircraft is that the canopy is cold soaked at altitude in subsonic flight, and when descending into air with higher moisture content at lower altitudes, the inside of the canopy can fog or ice up because of thermal lag and insufficient canopy heating on the inside, and outside for that matter.  To overcome this thermal lag/capacitance, some aircraft will have heating elements embedded in the interior of the windscreen laminate.


The 16 has no heating elements. It is all done via the ECS and there are vents on the glare shield along with the manually set defog lever on the side wall it directs airflow along the inside of the canopy.
Yeah, the embedded heating element is more of a general and commercial aviation thing.  Fighters accomplish this via the less elegant and far more deafening use of forced-air.  The F-15 even has some defog nozzles on the outside of the canopy; I'm not an F-15 guy, so I don't know.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 10:55:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob:

Not one, but two huge nuclear reactors on tap? I bet it’s hella fast.
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I have a friend who was on a carrier. He claims something like 45 knots wide open, which seems crazy to me
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 11:01:03 AM EDT
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I didn't realize this until today, but the canopy fog/defog is actually modeled in DCS.  At least, I think they are talking about a PC sim.  Unless this greg12 dude really is a fighter pilot.  He's definitely wrong about Willie Nelson, though.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 11:03:29 AM EDT
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1.39 in a F-18D here
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Was that when Aspen 20 asked for a speed check, too?
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 11:04:30 AM EDT
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Was that when Aspen 20 asked for a speed check, too?
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I know you’re joking but it was off the coast of Key West in a warning area.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 11:07:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:

.9 at 200’ is much more exciting than 1.0+ at 25k
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I bet that was a fucking awesome ride.

.9 at 200’ is much more exciting than 1.0+ at 25k


This! And the below SL qual over the Salton Sea is cool too at 540.
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 11:08:39 AM EDT
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You were in a 4G inverted dive with a Mig-28?  At what range?
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You were in a 4G inverted dive with a Mig-28?  At what range?


2 meters?
Link Posted: 5/12/2022 11:15:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:

2003,4,6 here…….

I’d love to see some pics of her if you have any.
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@FlyNavy75

I posted a couple over on the A-6 thread:  A-6 Thread

I'll dig through my box of old pics and see what I have that's worth scanning.  All I had in those days was a crappy little 110 camera.
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such drama.

I had the Eagle at 1.8 at 55,000 feet

there was no drama, it just went fast like it is supposed to do, no shaking, no noises, just going fast.

PSA. Bailing out at 600 knots or mach 2 isn't going to make much of a difference, your pretty much dead no matter what, same if you hit the ground, or the thing comes apart.

It's a risky game, either enjoy it or get the fuck out.
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Was that when Aspen 20 asked for a speed check, too?
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With so many aircraft having GPS in the cockpit not as many speed checks anymore.
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:

I know you’re joking but it was off the coast of Key West in a warning area.
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:
Originally Posted By Boomer:


Was that when Aspen 20 asked for a speed check, too?

I know you’re joking but it was off the coast of Key West in a warning area.


Just for the record, I don’t doubt that you went that fast.

It just reminded me, and apparently several others, of that story from Brian Schul.
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