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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:02:05 PM EDT
As title states. I picked up my first hand gun today. I used to live in Nazi York and recently moved to NH.
Picked up a new XD-S .45 this morning. Went shooting with it - going to take a class soon because I have never shot/owned a hand gun before today. Took a pic of my first target ~ 15 yards. I was a little nervous because I had a range employee standing behind me since I had never been there before. 
Hopefully with practice I will get tighter groups.. I think I will be more comfortable with it shooting the second time I take it out. On to the MISFIRES.. wtf - see pics below. 2 of them in 50 rounds. Fiocchis cheap ammo. Can someone recommend me some trust worthy .45 that isn't gonna break the bank? 1: 
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:02:52 PM EDT
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did you clean it before you shot it?
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:04:06 PM EDT
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packing gease/lube in firing pin channel? weak striker spring? short firing pin? hard primers?
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:05:05 PM EDT
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limp wrist
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:05:14 PM EDT
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The Firing Line in Manchester?
Sent a lot of bullets downrange there back in the day. And yes, always clean new guns before firing them. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:05:35 PM EDT
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I did clean and lubricate it before shooting it.
Yes @ firing line |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:05:48 PM EDT
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Shouldn't an XD work right out of the box? It is not a 1911. OP did you buy a display gun?
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:06:33 PM EDT
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Shouldn't an XD work right out of the box? It is not a 1911. OP did you buy a display gun? No. New in box. No other issues and functioned fine other than these two. Friend says he had FTF with Fiocchi in a G30. so maybe its the ammo? |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:06:38 PM EDT
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Not bad shooting for first time at 15 yards. Did you disassemble, clean, and properly lube before firing?
I assume rounds with primer strike did not fire. Does not look like a light strike. Bad primer? |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:06:53 PM EDT
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did you bother to do any research on this gun before you bought it?
nope you didn't. videos on youtube show this gun doesn't work right. https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=xds&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:07:17 PM EDT
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Can be normal during break in.
Shoot 200-300 rounds. I should quit malfunctioning. If not, send it back. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:07:26 PM EDT
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limp wrist 
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:07:28 PM EDT
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limp wrist More than likely this |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:07:40 PM EDT
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Were all the hits in the fired rounds off-center like that?
Personally, I's single load them with the firing pin strike 90* opposed and see if they fire. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:08:03 PM EDT
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Might be this, very common for first time shooters.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:08:04 PM EDT
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did you bother to do any research on this gun before you bought it? nope you didn't. videos on youtube show this gun doesn't work right. https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=xds&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 I did plenty of research where most people seemed to have 500-1000+ rounds without issue. I think some percentage of people have issues with every gun... |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:08:45 PM EDT
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Might be this, very common for first time shooters. Quoted:
limp wrist can you elaborate on this? |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:08:50 PM EDT
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Cheap ammo. Keep shooting, shoot some other brands. If it keeps happening it's the gun.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:08:57 PM EDT
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Shouldn't an XD work right out of the box? It is not a 1911. OP did you buy a display gun? No. New in box. No other issues and functioned fine other than these two. Friend says he had FTF with Fiocchi in a G30. so maybe its the ammo? Upon reading further, take it back and get A Glock. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:10:16 PM EDT
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Shouldn't an XD work right out of the box? It is not a 1911. OP did you buy a display gun? No. New in box. No other issues and functioned fine other than these two. Friend says he had FTF with Fiocchi in a G30. so maybe its the ammo? Upon reading further, take it back and get A Glock. ... Anyways maybe it was limp wrist and/or the ammo. Will go back again soon and pick up some other ammo and see what happens |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:10:26 PM EDT
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Were those two FTFs the first cartridges you loaded from a fresh magazine?
Specifically, did you ride the slide closed? This can leave a small fraction of an inch gap between where it is and the slide's correct position in battery. When you pull the trigger and release the striker, it wastes some of its energy closing the slide before it hits the primer. Those strikes look like they should have fired the cartridges, but it would be better to compare them to cases that did fire. If they look the same, you may bought a box of ammunition from a bad lot. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:11:33 PM EDT
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Shouldn't an XD work right out of the box? It is not a 1911. OP did you buy a display gun? No. New in box. No other issues and functioned fine other than these two. Friend says he had FTF with Fiocchi in a G30. so maybe its the ammo? Upon reading further, take it back and get A Glock. ... ................are you limp-wristing it? |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:12:20 PM EDT
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Were those two FTFs the first cartridges you loaded from a fresh magazine? Specifically, did you ride the slide closed? This can leave a small fraction of an inch gap between where it is and the slide's correct position in battery. When you pull the trigger and release the striker, it wastes some of its energy closing the slide before it hits the primer. Those strikes look like they should have fired the cartridges, but it would be better to compare them to cases that did fire. If they look the same, you may bought a box of ammunition from a bad lot. Now that you say that I did wonder if that caused it. It was the first in the mag both times. I think I rode the slide but had assumed if it didn't matter much. I stopped doing it just in case and it never did it again. Guess it was a noob mistake |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:12:44 PM EDT
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Limp wrist will not invoke a failure to fire.
Bad primers will. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:12:55 PM EDT
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Tap, rack, bang
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:13:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:16:49 PM EDT
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I thought limp wristing resulted in the pistol not ejecting properly ? Looks to me like those rounds were hit hard enough to fire, bad ammo. Can someone elaborate on the limp wristing speculation please ?
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:18:12 PM EDT
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Try some different ammo before assuming it's the gun.Those look like good primer strikes, and the rounds just didn't fire. Looks like bad ammo to me.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:18:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: did you clean it before you shot it? |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:18:31 PM EDT
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Wait a minute...
Failure to FEED or Failure to FIRE FTF means failure to feed. if it didn't fire, it is called a misfire. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:18:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: packing gease/lube in firing pin channel? weak striker spring? short firing pin? hard primers? It's a .45 Weak wristing? |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:20:01 PM EDT
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limp wrist More than likely this On an XDS. This most likley |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:21:06 PM EDT
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Limp wrist will not invoke a failure to fire. Bad primers will. Yep, good strikes on bad primers indicate defective primers as the problem. That's some truly excellent shooting from15 yards for a first timer. Great work OP. As for "cheap" reliable ammo these days nothing is actually inexpensive but I recommend PMC Bronze (830 FPS) having shot tens of thousands of rounds without ever encountering a defective round. If you want some hotter ammunition that approximates duty ammo; American Eagle is loaded to 890 FPS, never had a bad round of that either. People like Blazer Brass but it's weak sauce. Speer Lawman FMJ is great stuff but somewhat more expensive. Remington UMC=crap and do yourself a favor, don't bother with Tula, steel cased, inaccurate, filthy, and smells like shit. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:23:07 PM EDT
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Limp wrist will not invoke a failure to fire. Bad primers will. Yep, good strikes on bad primers indicate defective primers as the problem. That's some truly excellent shooting from15 yards for a first timer. Great work OP. Glad to hear someone not just trashing the gun. Thanks - I really want to take a class but I wanted to shoot it first so I wasn't totally green when I went to the class. Was a lot different experience but was fun |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:23:54 PM EDT
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limp wrist More than likely this My first thought as well. Fiocchi is good ammo, I'd rather shoot it than WWB or Remington. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:24:55 PM EDT
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limp wrist More than likely this On an XDS. This most likley STOP REPEATING THE SAME IDIOTIC MISINFORMATION. Limp wristing does not cause light primer strikes (misfiring). The OP is clearly showing rounds with light primer strikes or rounds that otherwise failed to fire. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:25:12 PM EDT
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Wait a minute... Failure to FEED or Failure to FIRE FTF means failure to feed. if it didn't fire, it is called a misfire. Then what is the abbreviation for Failure to Fire? |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:25:38 PM EDT
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Were those two FTFs the first cartridges you loaded from a fresh magazine? Specifically, did you ride the slide closed? This can leave a small fraction of an inch gap between where it is and the slide's correct position in battery. When you pull the trigger and release the striker, it wastes some of its energy closing the slide before it hits the primer. Those strikes look like they should have fired the cartridges, but it would be better to compare them to cases that did fire. If they look the same, you may bought a box of ammunition from a bad lot. Now that you say that I did wonder if that caused it. It was the first in the mag both times. I think I rode the slide but had assumed if it didn't matter much. I stopped doing it just in case and it never did it again. Guess it was a noob mistake That's probably it. It's a common mistake for new pistol shooters. Don't worry about how hard it slams shut. Gunpowder explodes in there. It won't hurt it. 
You should also keep in mind that the cartridge has to 'jump' from the magazine into the chamber. The designers planned for this to happen at the speed the spring foces the slide closed. if the slide closes too slowly, the cartridge may come out of the magazine at the wrong angle and jam the gun. Always pull the slide back and let go. It's an important habit to develop. ETA - your target is excellent. Good shooting. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:28:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Wait a minute... Failure to FEED or Failure to FIRE FTF means failure to feed. Then what is the abbreviation for Failure to Fire? if it didn't fire, it is called a misfire. There isn't one. It is called a misfire. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:29:45 PM EDT
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Limp wristing has exactly dick to do with a failure to fire. Stop listening to fools. Failure to eject and feed from that maybe but failure to fire is something else either related to a mechanical problem with the gun or bad ammo. Limp wristing....*roll eyes*
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:30:45 PM EDT
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limp wrist More than likely this On an XDS. This most likley STOP REPEATING THE SAME IDIOTIC MISINFORMATION. Limp wristing does not cause light primer strikes (misfiring). The OP is clearly showing rounds with light primer strikes or rounds that otherwise failed to fire. Thank you. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:33:05 PM EDT
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these guys limp wrist their dicks too much. nice shooting op. just try some different ammo
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:33:36 PM EDT
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limp wrist More than likely this On an XDS. This most likley STOP REPEATING THE SAME IDIOTIC MISINFORMATION. Limp wristing does not cause light primer strikes (misfiring). The OP is clearly showing rounds with light primer strikes or rounds that otherwise failed to fire. THIS! lots of derp in this thread.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:34:09 PM EDT
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Just goes to show, half of the posts are people just parroting misinformation or giving an opinion on something they no nothing about.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:36:44 PM EDT
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Next time try the appropriate Technical Forums if you want serious replies.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:37:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: limp wrist More than likely this On an XDS. This most likley STOP REPEATING THE SAME IDIOTIC MISINFORMATION. Limp wristing does not cause light primer strikes (misfiring). The OP is clearly showing rounds with light primer strikes or rounds that otherwise failed to fire. THIS! lots of derp in this thread.I think the OP confused everyone because he used the wrong term. FTF= failure to feed not failure to fire If he had said the gun misfired, not a person would have mentioned limpwristing. Except maybe DanSTX. 
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:40:40 PM EDT
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limp wrist More than likely this On an XDS. This most likley STOP REPEATING THE SAME IDIOTIC MISINFORMATION. Limp wristing does not cause light primer strikes (misfiring). The OP is clearly showing rounds with light primer strikes or rounds that otherwise failed to fire. Thank you. From me too. Some truly dumb-assed, illiterate motherfuckers giving advise, just like down at the gun club. "Magazine dropping out every time you fire? Limp wrist." "Shooting consistently low on the target? Limp wrist." "Shooting consistently high on the target? Limp wrist." "Accidentally shot yourself in the leg? Limp wrist." Makes me wonder if they've ever shot anything besides their bolt actions and revolvers. OP, quit riding the slide home and you'll be fine. If that doesn't work, switch ammo. If it still does it, then it's time for the gun to go back to Springfield. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:41:17 PM EDT
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limp wrist More than likely this On an XDS. This most likley STOP REPEATING THE SAME IDIOTIC MISINFORMATION. Limp wristing does not cause light primer strikes (misfiring). The OP is clearly showing rounds with light primer strikes or rounds that otherwise failed to fire. THIS! lots of derp in this thread.The OP said FTF - and he showed lite primer strikes. Two different types of failures FTF can most certainly by caused to limp wristing. |
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:41:32 PM EDT
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Never mind read wrong.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:43:13 PM EDT
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Next time try the appropriate Technical Forums if you want serious replies. Roger that. GD is for medical, marital, and parenting advice. 
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Posted: 7/14/2013 12:43:18 PM EDT
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The only time I have ever shot fiochee ammo was around 15 years ago through my para p-14 45acp. In the first of the two boxes i bought I had two sqibs. bullets went halfway down the barrel and stopped, I had to hammer them out with a screwdriver. I returned the rest of that box and the other box and got better ammo. since then I avoid that brand.
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