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Posted: 12/16/2016 10:21:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 10:22:24 AM EST by mixnmatch24]
It's actually Desert Night Camo. See second from the left:





It was designed to withstand early NV, but yet here we are.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:25:18 AM EST
Are those chocolate chips in the middle nods pic?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:25:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 10:26:08 AM EST by mixnmatch24]
Originally Posted By TokerM:
Are those chocolate chips in the middle nods pic?
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yes, lol, with dcu after it
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:27:12 AM EST
What patterns are all of those?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:28:25 AM EST
They worked well when they were up against PVS7s NVGs
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:29:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Grey_Man:
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bdu, desert night, chocolate chip, dcu, and ucp
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:30:23 AM EST
looks like pj's.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:35:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 10:35:55 AM EST by p2tharizo]
Looks like my closet---->military uniform collector. Or, as Tweeter exclaimed when he saw it, my closet of "so much stolen valor!"
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:38:46 AM EST
Still looks better than the rest. All the the others say "cammo"
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:44:09 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:56:01 AM EST
Wat?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:04:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 11:07:04 AM EST by portablegorilla]
It depends on the surrounding environment. Standing out in the open like that, sure, it's a dark blob. Sneaking through a forest full of shadows it's damn near invisible.

Multicam doesn't blend into a field full of honeysuckle either.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:05:23 AM EST
I love ACU.  Get a faded set and they work great in the high plains.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:10:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 11:13:00 AM EST by GreenLocust]
The DCU cammies issued as we were staging to go to Somalia were so new that we ended up with a mix of chocolate chip and DCU. After a month in the sun they all faded so bad, they were know as pastel pinks thereafter. The faded DCUs were noticeably less visible to the NVGs of the day compared to chocolate chips or woodland cammies. Starched up garrison cammies seemed to glow with any IR illumination.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:14:27 AM EST
My old NWU worked well like that laying in the grass in my backyard.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:32:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By GreenLocust:
The DCU cammies issued as we were staging to go to Somalia were so new that we ended up with a mix of chocolate chip and DCU. After a month in the sun they all faded so bad, they were know as pastel pinks thereafter. The faded DCUs were noticeably less visible to the NVGs of the day compared to chocolate chips or woodland cammies. Starched up garrison cammies seemed to glow with any IR illumination.
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Starch makes clothes stand out with nvg's. When bdu's were issued to us in the early 80's we were told not to starch them . People did it anyway.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:41:42 AM EST
I remember that shit. Despite the fact that it doesn't work for shit, I always thought it looked cool.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:58:24 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 12:14:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 12:17:52 PM EST by Smashy]
I still have my night desert pants I got when I was on active duty back in the '90s. I don't really care about the night thing, they blend in great during the daytime in my area.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 12:40:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By irishtech:
looks like pj's.
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Felt like them, too...they were pretty nice.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 12:44:38 PM EST
The night desert parka was pretty warm with the liner in it while on guard mount in Saudi Arabia during Desert Shield.
I still have one with the liner for winter here.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 12:44:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mopseydocks6014:
I love ACU.  Get a faded set and they work great in the high plains.
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I never really got the hatred for UCP: it works OK in most natural settings but not so well in urban settings...just like MultiCam which was the "had to have" replacement. And for guys where were mounted in 15+ ton trucks.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 1:11:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


I never really got the hatred for UCP: it works OK in most natural settings but not so well in urban settings...just like MultiCam which was the "had to have" replacement. And for guys where were mounted in 15+ ton trucks.
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um...

Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:11:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mcantu:

um...

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qnqz69.jpg
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Originally Posted By mcantu:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


I never really got the hatred for UCP: it works OK in most natural settings but not so well in urban settings...just like MultiCam which was the "had to have" replacement. And for guys where were mounted in 15+ ton trucks.

um...

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qnqz69.jpg


Put 'em in the desert or non-European green environment and um...

UCP wasn't meant to be perfect anywhere, just acceptable almost everywhere...which it is. But the complaining by guys conducting mounted ops in 15 ton trucks about their "camouflage" led to MultiCam...which is pretty good in the right vegetation but not so good anywhere else (i.e. desert and urban).

In other words, UCP is better in most places than MultiCam but one can always (as you did) find an example of where one works better and another one doesn't work as well.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:12:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:



Put 'em in the desert or non-European green environment and um...
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:

Originally Posted By mcantu:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


I never really got the hatred for UCP: it works OK in most natural settings but not so well in urban settings...just like MultiCam which was the "had to have" replacement. And for guys where were mounted in 15+ ton trucks.

um...

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qnqz69.jpg


Put 'em in the desert or non-European green environment and um...


Or put 'em in that gravel pit they're walking past. 
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:17:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GI-45:


Or put 'em in that gravel pit they're walking past. <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Originally Posted By GI-45:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:

Originally Posted By mcantu:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


I never really got the hatred for UCP: it works OK in most natural settings but not so well in urban settings...just like MultiCam which was the "had to have" replacement. And for guys where were mounted in 15+ ton trucks.

um...

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qnqz69.jpg


Put 'em in the desert or non-European green environment and um...


Or put 'em in that gravel pit they're walking past. <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif border=0 align=middle>


Nice catch...UCP is definitely good in gravel, rocky outcroppings, etc.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:18:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


Put 'em in the desert or non-European green environment and um...

UCP wasn't meant to be perfect anywhere, just acceptable almost everywhere...which it is. But the complaining by guys conducting mounted ops in 15 ton trucks about their "camouflage" led to MultiCam...which is pretty good in the right vegetation but not so good anywhere else (i.e. desert and urban).

In other words, UCP is better in most places than MultiCam but one can always (as you did) find an example of where one works better and another one doesn't work as well.
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By mcantu:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


I never really got the hatred for UCP: it works OK in most natural settings but not so well in urban settings...just like MultiCam which was the "had to have" replacement. And for guys where were mounted in 15+ ton trucks.

um...

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qnqz69.jpg


Put 'em in the desert or non-European green environment and um...

UCP wasn't meant to be perfect anywhere, just acceptable almost everywhere...which it is. But the complaining by guys conducting mounted ops in 15 ton trucks about their "camouflage" led to MultiCam...which is pretty good in the right vegetation but not so good anywhere else (i.e. desert and urban).

In other words, UCP is better in most places than MultiCam but one can always (as you did) find an example of where one works better and another one doesn't work as well.

UCP has come in close to last in all of the Army camo trials.  Which makes sense since it wasn't tested against any other patterns before it was fielded







Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:22:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:39:16 PM EST
http://www.benning.army.mil/infantry/magazine/issues/2014/Jan-Mar/Eifler.html Prior to adoption of OCP The BDU was authorized for wear in SOF and at JWS.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 5:57:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/16/2016 5:58:37 PM EST by buckshot_jim]
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


Put 'em in the desert or non-European green environment and um...

UCP wasn't meant to be perfect anywhere, just acceptable almost everywhere...which it is. But the complaining by guys conducting mounted ops in 15 ton trucks about their "camouflage" led to MultiCam...which is pretty good in the right vegetation but not so good anywhere else (i.e. desert and urban).

In other words, UCP is better in most places than MultiCam but one can always (as you did) find an example of where one works better and another one doesn't work as well.
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LOL, nope. That shit is bad almost everywhere and the United States can spend 50 billion on aircraft, it can buy 3,4 or 5 different types of camo for our guys on the ground. That cost bullshit pisses me off. We shoot $200,000 missiles at fuckers riding bicycles. Don't tell me we cant have the best camo available for any terrain.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 6:14:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By whiskerz:

Starch makes clothes stand out with nvg's. When bdu's were issued to us in the early 80's we were told not to starch them . People did it anyway.
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Originally Posted By whiskerz:
Originally Posted By GreenLocust:
The DCU cammies issued as we were staging to go to Somalia were so new that we ended up with a mix of chocolate chip and DCU. After a month in the sun they all faded so bad, they were know as pastel pinks thereafter. The faded DCUs were noticeably less visible to the NVGs of the day compared to chocolate chips or woodland cammies. Starched up garrison cammies seemed to glow with any IR illumination.

Starch makes clothes stand out with nvg's. When bdu's were issued to us in the early 80's we were told not to starch them . People did it anyway.


Important not to wash them with regular detergents with brighteners also.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 8:24:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:


LOL, nope. That shit is bad almost everywhere and the United States can spend 50 billion on aircraft, it can buy 3,4 or 5 different types of camo for our guys on the ground. That cost bullshit pisses me off. We shoot $200,000 missiles at fuckers riding bicycles. Don't tell me we cant have the best camo available for any terrain.
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


Put 'em in the desert or non-European green environment and um...

UCP wasn't meant to be perfect anywhere, just acceptable almost everywhere...which it is. But the complaining by guys conducting mounted ops in 15 ton trucks about their "camouflage" led to MultiCam...which is pretty good in the right vegetation but not so good anywhere else (i.e. desert and urban).

In other words, UCP is better in most places than MultiCam but one can always (as you did) find an example of where one works better and another one doesn't work as well.


LOL, nope. That shit is bad almost everywhere and the United States can spend 50 billion on aircraft, it can buy 3,4 or 5 different types of camo for our guys on the ground. That cost bullshit pisses me off. We shoot $200,000 missiles at fuckers riding bicycles. Don't tell me we cant have the best camo available for any terrain.


I didn't say we couldn't, I said we don't (for whatever reason(s)).
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 8:26:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By mcantu:

UCP has come in close to last in all of the Army camo trials.  Which makes sense since it wasn't tested against any other patterns before it was fielded

http://img68.xooimage.com/files/0/c/7/r-sultat-test-camo-2eca4d7.png
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By mcantu:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


I never really got the hatred for UCP: it works OK in most natural settings but not so well in urban settings...just like MultiCam which was the "had to have" replacement. And for guys where were mounted in 15+ ton trucks.

um...

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qnqz69.jpg


Put 'em in the desert or non-European green environment and um...

UCP wasn't meant to be perfect anywhere, just acceptable almost everywhere...which it is. But the complaining by guys conducting mounted ops in 15 ton trucks about their "camouflage" led to MultiCam...which is pretty good in the right vegetation but not so good anywhere else (i.e. desert and urban).

In other words, UCP is better in most places than MultiCam but one can always (as you did) find an example of where one works better and another one doesn't work as well.

UCP has come in close to last in all of the Army camo trials.  Which makes sense since it wasn't tested against any other patterns before it was fielded

http://img68.xooimage.com/files/0/c/7/r-sultat-test-camo-2eca4d7.png


Take a close look at your chart and some of the results...and tell me you believe it.

You can believe what you'd like to believe...I believe what I've seen IRL.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 8:41:27 AM EST
I still like my woodland cammies the best, work well here in the piney woods anyhow.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 8:59:33 AM EST
UCP is bad, but not as bad as Aquaflage.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 9:01:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By mcantu:

UCP has come in close to last in all of the Army camo trials.  Which makes sense since it wasn't tested against any other patterns before it was fielded

http://img68.xooimage.com/files/0/c/7/r-sultat-test-camo-2eca4d7.png
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lol they tested Mossy Oak?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:27:30 AM EST
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


Take a close look at your chart and some of the results...and tell me you believe it.

You can believe what you'd like to believe...I believe what I've seen IRL.
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Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By mcantu:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:
Originally Posted By mcantu:
Originally Posted By KILLERB6:


I never really got the hatred for UCP: it works OK in most natural settings but not so well in urban settings...just like MultiCam which was the "had to have" replacement. And for guys where were mounted in 15+ ton trucks.

um...

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qnqz69.jpg


Put 'em in the desert or non-European green environment and um...

UCP wasn't meant to be perfect anywhere, just acceptable almost everywhere...which it is. But the complaining by guys conducting mounted ops in 15 ton trucks about their "camouflage" led to MultiCam...which is pretty good in the right vegetation but not so good anywhere else (i.e. desert and urban).

In other words, UCP is better in most places than MultiCam but one can always (as you did) find an example of where one works better and another one doesn't work as well.

UCP has come in close to last in all of the Army camo trials.  Which makes sense since it wasn't tested against any other patterns before it was fielded

http://img68.xooimage.com/files/0/c/7/r-sultat-test-camo-2eca4d7.png


Take a close look at your chart and some of the results...and tell me you believe it.

You can believe what you'd like to believe...I believe what I've seen IRL.
that was the results of the 1st camo trials about 8 years ago.  UCP performed even worse in more recent trials



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