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Posted: 8/9/2005 7:52:35 AM EDT
www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-08-09-army-general_x.htm


Posted 8/9/2005 10:53 AM
Pentagon makes rare move, dumps four-star general
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Army, in a rare disciplinary act against a four-star officer, said Tuesday it relieved Gen. Kevin Byrnes of his command after an investigation into unspecified "personal conduct."

Byrnes was relieved as commander of U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command on Monday by Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker, according to a brief statement issued by Army headquarters at the Pentagon.

In that post, Byrnes oversaw all Army training programs and the development of war-fighting guidelines.

Although disciplinary action against general officers is not uncommon, it is extremely rare for a four-star general to be relieved of command. Byrnes held the position as commander of Training and Doctrine Command since November 2002. Before that he was director of the Army staff at Army headquarters in the Pentagon.

"The investigation upon which this relief is based is undergoing further review to determine the appropriate final disposition of this matter," the Army statement said.

A spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Bryan Whitman, said the investigation involved "matters of personal conduct," but he would not say more.

The deputy commander of Training and Doctrine Command, Lt. Gen. Anthony Jones, has been designated the acting commander, following the action against Byrnes, said Army spokesman Paul Boyce.

The spokesman said it was an Army policy not to release information about specific allegations in an investigation of an Army officer.

In April the Pentagon announced that Lt. Gen. William Wallace had been nominated for a four star and assignment as commander of Training and Doctrine Command, to succeed Byrnes, but he has not yet been confirmed by the Senate. There was no public indication at the time that Byrnes was under investigation.

Link Posted: 8/9/2005 8:12:23 AM EDT
OK, who did he screw?
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 8:14:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
OK, who did he screw?



Sounds like it was the pooch!


ByteTheBullet (-:
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 8:14:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
OK, who did he screw?



No one that I'm aware of, I heard it was about playing favorites over procurement contracts.
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 8:15:15 AM EDT

.....the investigation involved "matters of personal conduct,"

Link Posted: 8/9/2005 8:16:56 AM EDT
I just read this on Yahoo.

I sure would like to know what he did?
Link Posted: 8/9/2005 8:43:59 AM EDT
bump
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 2:35:48 AM EDT
Four-star general fired; officials cite sexual misconduct
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
August 10, 2005

The Army has taken the extraordinary step of relieving a four-star general, with military sources citing sexual misconduct as the reason.

An official announcement yesterday did not specify why Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes, 52, was removed from his command of all soldier training and doctrine development, but two retired Army officers said it was for having an extramarital affair.

Adultery is illegal in the military, constituting conduct unbecoming an officer. The sources said they think the woman was not a subordinate of Gen. Byrnes at U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, Fort Monroe, Va.

It is rare in modern times for the Army to relieve a four-star general. President Truman fired Gen. Douglas MacArthur, who had five stars, over differences in fighting the Korean War. The first Bush administration fired Army Gen. Frederick Woerner Jr. in 1989 for not standing up to Panamanian strongman Manuel Noriega.

Gen. Byrnes, one of 11 four-star Army generals, was nearing the end of a three-year term at U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command when Gen. Peter Schoomaker, the Army chief of staff, relieved him of command yesterday after a Pentagon inspector general's investigation. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld picked Lt. Gen. William Wallace, a ground commander in the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, to succeed Gen. Byrnes. His nomination is pending in the Senate.

Gen. Byrnes faces the possibility he may retire at a lower rank, forfeiting tens of thousands of dollars in retirement pay.

Retired officers, who asked not to be named, said Gen. Byrnes had been under investigation for some time and had been in the throes of a divorce.

They expressed dismay at Gen. Byrnes, for whom a number of officers went to bat in 2002 when Mr. Rumsfeld threatened to end his career at lieutenant general.

Mr. Rumsfeld was upset at Gen. Byrnes for fighting proposed troop cuts being outlined by the defense secretary's aide, Stephen Cambone.

Then-Army Secretary Thomas White and top generals interceded and convinced Mr. Rumsfeld to keep him. Shortly thereafter, Gen. Byrnes won nomination to a fourth star and the TRADOC command.

"I'm damn mad," said a retired general who supported Gen. Byrnes. "People went to the mat to get him promoted. ... Now Rumsfeld can say, 'I told you so. I saw something you didn't.'?"

A brief statement from Army headquarters said, "On Aug. 8, the Chief of Staff of the Army directed the relief of Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes from his position as commanding general, United States Army Training and Doctrine Command. The investigation upon which this relief is based is undergoing further review to determine the appropriate final disposition of this matter."

An Army spokesman said the firing was for "matters of personal conduct."

Since 1990, two four-star officers in other services have been relieved for missteps. Gen. Michael Dugan, Air Force chief of staff, was fired by the first President Bush for openly discussing plans in 1990 for bombing Iraq. In 1995, Adm. Richard C. Macke, was fired as Pacific commander for indiscreet remarks about the rape of a 12-year-old Japanese girl by U.S. Marines.


www.washtimes.com/national/20050809-110419-1753r.htm
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 2:54:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hipster:
Four-star general fired; officials cite sexual misconduct
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
August 10, 2005

.......

An official announcement yesterday did not specify why Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes, 52, was removed from his command of all soldier training and doctrine development, but two retired Army officers said it was for having an extramarital affair.

Adultery is illegal in the military, constituting conduct unbecoming an officer. The sources said they think the woman was not a subordinate of Gen. Byrnes at U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, Fort Monroe, Va.




Probably extramarital with a minor or another 'male'

Id be shocked if they dumped a 4-star for lapse in judgment unless it was with a kid or man

oh well
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 3:02:04 AM EDT
You live by the sword....you die by the sword
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 4:27:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By Hipster:
Four-star general fired; officials cite sexual misconduct
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
August 10, 2005

.......

An official announcement yesterday did not specify why Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes, 52, was removed from his command of all soldier training and doctrine development, but two retired Army officers said it was for having an extramarital affair.

Adultery is illegal in the military, constituting conduct unbecoming an officer. The sources said they think the woman was not a subordinate of Gen. Byrnes at U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, Fort Monroe, Va.




Probably extramarital with a minor or another 'male'

Id be shocked if they dumped a 4-star for lapse in judgment unless it was with a kid or man

oh well



Rumsfeld is very willing to nail Army generals to the wall over zipper issues, especially when they have disagreed with him.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 4:57:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By redfisher:

Originally Posted By Hipster:
Four-star general fired; officials cite sexual misconduct
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
August 10, 2005

.......

An official announcement yesterday did not specify why Gen. Kevin P. Byrnes, 52, was removed from his command of all soldier training and doctrine development, but two retired Army officers said it was for having an extramarital affair.

Adultery is illegal in the military, constituting conduct unbecoming an officer. The sources said they think the woman was not a subordinate of Gen. Byrnes at U.S. Army Training and Doctrine Command, Fort Monroe, Va.




Probably extramarital with a minor or another 'male'

Id be shocked if they dumped a 4-star for lapse in judgment unless it was with a kid or man

oh well


no, the military is kinda old fashioned in that they believe the whole "officer and a gentleman" mantra. if it was a kid or a man, he'da been hung from the rafters and flogged. with just a woman, he'd be dismissed and forced to retire/resign.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 5:34:44 PM EDT
And this guy was the third ranking general of the only 11 four star generals the Army has. And he was only 52.

He must have stepped on his weenie big time.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 5:40:57 PM EDT
The affair, if that was indeed the rationale, was just an excuse for something else. The Army doesn't trash 4-stars over affairs with a women when the man is legally seperated from his wife. He was meeting the spirit, if not the letter, of the UCMJ. They took the technicality and hanged him with it. It would be interesting to hear the whole story.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 5:49:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:
The affair, if that was indeed the rationale, was just an excuse for something else. The Army doesn't trash 4-stars over affairs with a women when the man is legally seperated from his wife. He was meeting the spirit, if not the letter, of the UCMJ. They took the technicality and hanged him with it. It would be interesting to hear the whole story.



It was an excuse to get rid of a general that crossed swords with Rumsfeld's deputy.
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