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Posted: 9/28/2009 10:08:08 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:11:18 AM EST
I'm unclear, did the officer know the homeowner had the invader at gunpoint?

Buuuut.... 6 shots? Goddamn.

The homeowner should get a his 5 million.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:11:29 AM EST
That story is severely lacking in pertinent information... Such as did the homeowner call 911? And on from there.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:17:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
That story is severely lacking in pertinent information... Such as did the homeowner call 911? And on from there.


+1

That sux all around.

No officer wants to shoot an innocent.

If he came upon the homeowner, not knowing it was a homeowner and thought the "guy pointing a gun at another guy" was about to kill the other guy, the officer may have thought, "I gotta save that other guys life right NOW!"

That said, when I enter homes in the dark hours (or any time as LEO) I ALWAYS have the thought in my head that I might come across a law abiding gun owner...but I may not think like the average bear...

Again, sux all around.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:20:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 10:27:50 AM EST by Mal_means_bad]
Link
In the new lawsuit filed yesterday in Maricopa County Superior Court, Arambula (via Manning)- alleges that statements made by Lilly after the shooting are contradicted by a recorded 911 phone call, indicating a possible cover-up. A transcript of the call attached to the suit states that Lilly was asked by his supervisor, Sergeant Sean Coutts, whether he knew a gun was "down there."

Lilly reportedly answered, "I don't know. I heard screaming and I fired."

Arambula had been standing with his own handgun in the doorway of his son's room, on the phone with a 911 operator. The intruder, Angel Anastacio Canales, 28, was sitting on the floor. Then the first bullets from Lilly's weapon punched through Arambula's back.

The recording makes it clear Lilly knew he "fucked up," but that a supervisor, Sergeant Sean Coutts, told him, "Don't worry about it. I got your back... We clear?"

A few hours later, Lilly told internal affairs investigators that he fired only after Arambula pointed a gun his direction, the lawsuit states.


Bad shoot, stupid cover up. If the transcript is accurate.

ETA: Link
Arambula also called 911, telling the operator that he was holding the man at gunpoint.
Meanwhile, officers already chasing Canales arrived in the Arambulas' backyard. Lesley and her boys were outside. “I told them my husband was inside, he was the one with the gun,'' she said Tuesday. She pleaded, “Please don't shoot.”...

The shot in back left a gaping exit wound in Arambula's abdomen that was large enough to fit an eight-ounce cup, the claim charges. That's when Arambula told Lilly he'd shot the wrong man. There was an eerie quiet, Arambula recalled.

Later, in his Internal Affairs interview, Lilly admitted firing at Arambula without any verbal warning, according to the claim. A tape of the 911 call cited in the claim quotes Lilly as telling his supervisor moments later, “We (expletive) up.”

Sgt. Sean Coutts asked Lilly where Arambula's gun was when he fired.

“I don't know,'' Lilly responded, according to the claim. “I heard screaming and I fired.”

Coutts reportedly responded, “That's all right. Don't worry about it. I got your back….We clear?” according to a transcript reproduced in the claim.

Canales was apprehended peacefully.

Arambula's eyes filled with tears Tuesday as he described officers dragging him outside by his left leg. He said he pleaded with officers not to let his family to see him die.


Damn. Sounds like they had him pretty well identified as the homeowner at that point, too.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:41:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 10:42:27 AM EST by mcouey]
Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
Link
In the new lawsuit filed yesterday in Maricopa County Superior Court, Arambula (via Manning)- alleges that statements made by Lilly after the shooting are contradicted by a recorded 911 phone call, indicating a possible cover-up. A transcript of the call attached to the suit states that Lilly was asked by his supervisor, Sergeant Sean Coutts, whether he knew a gun was "down there."

Lilly reportedly answered, "I don't know. I heard screaming and I fired."

Arambula had been standing with his own handgun in the doorway of his son's room, on the phone with a 911 operator. The intruder, Angel Anastacio Canales, 28, was sitting on the floor. Then the first bullets from Lilly's weapon punched through Arambula's back.

The recording makes it clear Lilly knew he "fucked up," but that a supervisor, Sergeant Sean Coutts, told him, "Don't worry about it. I got your back... We clear?"

A few hours later, Lilly told internal affairs investigators that he fired only after Arambula pointed a gun his direction, the lawsuit states.


Bad shoot, stupid cover up. If the transcript is accurate.

ETA: Link
Arambula also called 911, telling the operator that he was holding the man at gunpoint.
Meanwhile, officers already chasing Canales arrived in the Arambulas' backyard. Lesley and her boys were outside. “I told them my husband was inside, he was the one with the gun,'' she said Tuesday. She pleaded, “Please don't shoot.”...

The shot in back left a gaping exit wound in Arambula's abdomen that was large enough to fit an eight-ounce cup, the claim charges. That's when Arambula told Lilly he'd shot the wrong man. There was an eerie quiet, Arambula recalled.

Later, in his Internal Affairs interview, Lilly admitted firing at Arambula without any verbal warning, according to the claim. A tape of the 911 call cited in the claim quotes Lilly as telling his supervisor moments later, “We (expletive) up.”

Sgt. Sean Coutts asked Lilly where Arambula's gun was when he fired.

“I don't know,'' Lilly responded, according to the claim. “I heard screaming and I fired.”

Coutts reportedly responded, “That's all right. Don't worry about it. I got your back….We clear?” according to a transcript reproduced in the claim.

Canales was apprehended peacefully.

Arambula's eyes filled with tears Tuesday as he described officers dragging him outside by his left leg. He said he pleaded with officers not to let his family to see him die.


Damn. Sounds like they had him pretty well identified as the homeowner at that point, too.


And he's "Cleared" of wrong doing..... Typical.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:42:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
Link
In the new lawsuit filed yesterday in Maricopa County Superior Court, Arambula (via Manning)- alleges that statements made by Lilly after the shooting are contradicted by a recorded 911 phone call, indicating a possible cover-up. A transcript of the call attached to the suit states that Lilly was asked by his supervisor, Sergeant Sean Coutts, whether he knew a gun was "down there."

Lilly reportedly answered, "I don't know. I heard screaming and I fired."

Arambula had been standing with his own handgun in the doorway of his son's room, on the phone with a 911 operator. The intruder, Angel Anastacio Canales, 28, was sitting on the floor. Then the first bullets from Lilly's weapon punched through Arambula's back.

The recording makes it clear Lilly knew he "fucked up," but that a supervisor, Sergeant Sean Coutts, told him, "Don't worry about it. I got your back... We clear?"

A few hours later, Lilly told internal affairs investigators that he fired only after Arambula pointed a gun his direction, the lawsuit states.


Bad shoot, stupid cover up. If the transcript is accurate.

ETA: Link
Arambula also called 911, telling the operator that he was holding the man at gunpoint.
Meanwhile, officers already chasing Canales arrived in the Arambulas' backyard. Lesley and her boys were outside. “I told them my husband was inside, he was the one with the gun,'' she said Tuesday. She pleaded, “Please don't shoot.”...

The shot in back left a gaping exit wound in Arambula's abdomen that was large enough to fit an eight-ounce cup, the claim charges. That's when Arambula told Lilly he'd shot the wrong man. There was an eerie quiet, Arambula recalled.

Later, in his Internal Affairs interview, Lilly admitted firing at Arambula without any verbal warning, according to the claim. A tape of the 911 call cited in the claim quotes Lilly as telling his supervisor moments later, “We (expletive) up.”

Sgt. Sean Coutts asked Lilly where Arambula's gun was when he fired.

“I don't know,'' Lilly responded, according to the claim. “I heard screaming and I fired.”

Coutts reportedly responded, “That's all right. Don't worry about it. I got your back….We clear?” according to a transcript reproduced in the claim.

Canales was apprehended peacefully.

Arambula's eyes filled with tears Tuesday as he described officers dragging him outside by his left leg. He said he pleaded with officers not to let his family to see him die.


Damn. Sounds like they had him pretty well identified as the homeowner at that point, too.

If True........


Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:44:20 AM EST
"accidental" shooting?

Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:46:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 10:46:54 AM EST by whomper]
IBTA

ETA:
I'm curious about Bama's take on this.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:46:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
Link
In the new lawsuit filed yesterday in Maricopa County Superior Court, Arambula (via Manning)- alleges that statements made by Lilly after the shooting are contradicted by a recorded 911 phone call, indicating a possible cover-up. A transcript of the call attached to the suit states that Lilly was asked by his supervisor, Sergeant Sean Coutts, whether he knew a gun was "down there."

Lilly reportedly answered, "I don't know. I heard screaming and I fired."

Arambula had been standing with his own handgun in the doorway of his son's room, on the phone with a 911 operator. The intruder, Angel Anastacio Canales, 28, was sitting on the floor. Then the first bullets from Lilly's weapon punched through Arambula's back.

The recording makes it clear Lilly knew he "fucked up," but that a supervisor, Sergeant Sean Coutts, told him, "Don't worry about it. I got your back... We clear?"

A few hours later, Lilly told internal affairs investigators that he fired only after Arambula pointed a gun his direction, the lawsuit states.


Bad shoot, stupid cover up. If the transcript is accurate.


Agreed 100%. IF the transcript is accurate, those officers should be prosecuted for a number of crimes. Of course it won't happen.

Sad, really. This is exactly what happens after years of the police forces' decreasing the entrance standards so the dearies - oh, sorry I mean women - can pass the selection process. The quality of officers decreases, to where you get these officers that will fire their weapon at the drop of a gnat.

That fella's in the crossfire of BOTH the cops AND the crooks. Sheesh...
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:48:23 AM EST
I remember the first thread covering this. Nice to know things worked out well for the officer.

Here hoping the home owners bleeds the city for a few million.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:49:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 10:52:07 AM EST by danpass]
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
................."but if he had hesitated, and it was the (suspect), the outcome could have been tragic."

..............
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2009/09/26/20090926phxarambula0926.html



the outcome WAS tragic








oh wait ..................... a 'civilian' was the one injured









eta: the board's phraseology (choice of words) speaks volumes



.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:49:21 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:51:53 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By whomper:
IBTA

ETA:
I'm curious about Bama's take on this.


Not enough info.

Also an officer does not have to issue a warning before firing his weapon.


While the shooting may well just be a tragic blue-on-blue shooting the information in the lawsuit about how the PD treated the victim and his family afterwords is appalling and would weigh heavily in my mind if I were a juror on the case.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:53:50 AM EST
What else is new? Panel finds cop that shoots suspect six times in the back is found innocent.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:54:50 AM EST
On the bright side, it's comforting to know that if I hear screaming, and I shoot the wrong guy, that I won't be charged with any crime....right?
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 10:58:23 AM EST
The shooting isn't the issue. The subsequent cover-up is.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:05:36 AM EST
put yourself in the cops shoes. he is in a house knowing someone just broke in and he doesnt know who may be in the house trying to kill him or the homeowner. he finds a man with a gun pointing it at another man. what would you do? would you say "stop police"? in that case if it is the suspect you just started a close quarters gunfight. i guess all the experts on police procedure and tactics will set me straight.

this is tragic for everyone involved. cue the police haters and bashers, but imo the cop acted in good faith.


Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:07:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By jmay622133:
put yourself in the cops shoes. he is in a house knowing someone just broke in and he doesnt know who may be in the house trying to kill him or the homeowner. he finds a man with a gun pointing it at another man. what would you do? would you say "stop police"? in that case if it is the suspect you just started a close quarters gunfight. i guess all the experts on police procedure and tactics will set me straight.

this is tragic for everyone involved. cue the police haters and bashers, but imo the cop acted in good faith.




Lesley and her boys were outside. “I told them my husband was inside, he was the one with the gun,'' she said Tuesday. She pleaded, “Please don't shoot.”


Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:22:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By jmay622133:
put yourself in the cops shoes. he is in a house knowing someone just broke in and he doesnt know who may be in the house trying to kill him or the homeowner. he finds a man with a gun pointing it at another man. what would you do? would you say "stop police"? in that case if it is the suspect you just started a close quarters gunfight. i guess all the experts on police procedure and tactics will set me straight.

this is tragic for everyone involved. cue the police haters and bashers, but imo the cop acted in good faith.




STOP FUCKING THROWING THE BULL SHIT ABOUT THIS BEING TRAGIC FOR ALL INVOLVED. IT NOT FUCKING TRAGIC FOR ALL INVOLVED. FUUUCK.

It was tragic for the man who was shot in his own home, it was tragic for him that he got dragged out of his home bleeding and in pain in front of his family, it was tragic for his wife and his children that they had to see the incident. There wasn't a DAMN THING TRAGIC ABOUT THIS FOR THE COP, he is unharmed and uninjured and as of now unpunished for the incident and what followed.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:28:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
"If Brian would have known there was a homeowner in there, he probably would have hesitated."


Yeah, who would expect a homeowner to be in thier home?
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:31:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 11:32:12 AM EST by Former11BRAVO]
Originally Posted By lostnswv:
Originally Posted By jmay622133:
put yourself in the cops shoes. he is in a house knowing someone just broke in and he doesnt know who may be in the house trying to kill him or the homeowner. he finds a man with a gun pointing it at another man. what would you do? would you say "stop police"? in that case if it is the suspect you just started a close quarters gunfight. i guess all the experts on police procedure and tactics will set me straight.

this is tragic for everyone involved. cue the police haters and bashers, but imo the cop acted in good faith.




STOP FUCKING THROWING THE BULL SHIT ABOUT THIS BEING TRAGIC FOR ALL INVOLVED. IT NOT FUCKING TRAGIC FOR ALL INVOLVED. FUUUCK.

It was tragic for the man who was shot in his own home, it was tragic for him that he got dragged out of his home bleeding and in pain in front of his family, it was tragic for his wife and his children that they had to see the incident. There wasn't a DAMN THING TRAGIC ABOUT THIS FOR THE COP, he is unharmed and uninjured and as of now unpunished for the incident and what followed.


I'm inclined to agree.

I wonder what bearing the "results" to the "internal investigation" (cover up) will have on the homeowner's ability to sue. None, I hope!

ETA: I happen to like the cops I know! I'm no cop-hater/basher. That's for sure!
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:33:51 AM EST
Note to self... don't hold an invader at gunpoint. Kill the ever living shit out of him, drop my gun, lay on floor and let the police sort it out from there.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:35:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 11:45:04 AM EST by El-cid]
100% whitewash

Family Says 911 Tape Caught Cops Planning Cover-Up After Shooting

PHOENIX (CN) - A homeowner says a Phoenix police officer shot him six times in the back during a 911 home-invasion call, and the 911 tape recorded the officer's partner saying, "That's all right. Don't worry about it. I got your back. ... We clear?" The family says the officers were not aware that the 911 call was still recording as they spoke about covering up the shooting.

In their complaint in Maricopa County Court, Anthony and Lesley Arambula say an armed intruder "crashed through the front window" of their home on Sept. 17, 2008 and ran into one of their son's bedrooms.

Anthony, worried about his son who was still in his bedroom, says he "held the intruder calmly at gunpoint" and called 911.

Phoenix Police officers already in the neighborhood heard the crash of the Arambulas' window. When they approached the house, Lesley says, she told Sgt. Sean Coutts that her husband was inside holding the intruder at gunpoint. Lesley says Coutts failed to pass on that information to the two other officers.

Inside the house, the Arambulas say, Officer Brian Lilly shot Anthony six times in the back while he was still on the phone with the 911 operator - twice when he was on the ground.


The officers ran into the bedroom after Anthony told them, "You just killed ... you just killed the homeowner. The bad guy is in there."

The complaint states that Officer Lilly "admitted that it was only after Tony was laying, bullet-ridden, on the ground that he assessed the situation. The 911 tape continued to record what happened even after Officer Lilly unloaded his weapon into Tony, including Officer Lilly's post-shooting, one-word 'assessment': 'Fuck.'

"Tony believed he was going to die; the 911 tape records his plaintive goodbye to his family: '... I love you ... I love you.' Then Tony made what he believed was a dying request to the officers; he did not want his young family to see him shot and bloodied. Officers callously ignored his request and painfully dragged Tony by his injured leg, through the home and out to his backyard patio, where they left him bloodied and shot right in front of Lesley, Matthew and Zachary."

The Arambulas say the officers later dragged Anthony onto gravel, then put him on top of the hot hood of a squad car, and "drove the squad car down the street with Tony lying on top, writing in pain."


According to the complaint, Lilly can be heard on the 911 tape telling Coutts, "We fucked up."

Lilly says on the tape that he did not know where Anthony's gun was when he shot him and that he "opened fire because he heard loud noises and saw someone who looked like he might be the 'Hispanic' male they were pursuing" before getting to the Arambulas' house, according to the complaint.

The complaint states: "Sgt. Coutts knew that officers has just shot up and likely killed an innocent homeowner and the husband of Lesley, with whom he had spoken before entering the home, instead of the armed intruder. Sgt. Coutts was quick to commence the cover-up of their terrible mistake. Sgt. Coutts asked Office Lilly where Tony's gun was at the time Officer Lilly had opened fire on Tony. Officer Lilly admitted that he did not know where Tony's gun was: 'I don't know. I heard screaming and I fired.'"

Lilly later told a police internal affairs investigator that Anthony had pointed his gun in his direction, "in the 'ready' position," the complaint states. But Anthony Arambula says he was facing away from the officers, who could not have even seen his gun.

The complaint continues: "Still not knowing that he is being recorded n the 911 tape, Sgt. Coutts interrupted Officer Lilly's admission and apology with his assurance that the cover-up would commence: 'That's all right. Don't worry about it. I got your back. ... We clear?'"

After the shooting, the Arambulas say, the Phoenix Police Department treated them "like suspects in a drug bust," denying Lesley, Michael and Zachary information about Anthony's condition and denying friends and family members access to him at the hospital.

Anthony Arambula survived, but continues to suffer pain, which he expects will last for the rest of his life.

The City of Phoenix and Officer Dzenan Ahmetovic also are named as defendants.

The Arambulas seek punitive damages for gross negligence, civil rights violations, failure to supervise, excessive force, deliberate indifference to medical needs, false arrest, and emotional distress. They are represented by Michael Manning with son Morrison Hecker.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911_Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:35:54 AM EST
"but if he had hesitated, and it was the (suspect), the outcome could have been tragic."

Tragic because the cop could have been shot?

But it wasn't because only the home owner got shot?

WTF?!!
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:42:21 AM EST
This is why you kill the invader and then put the gun down before the cops show up.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:48:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 12:02:23 PM EST by lostnswv]
Originally Posted By MikeS369:
This is why you kill the invader and then put the gun down before the cops show up.


We certainly know it now.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:50:19 AM EST
That is some fucked up shit right there!! That cop, should be fired. Shot the guy 6 times in the BACK. Twice when he was on the ground.
How the hell do you get away with shooting him on the ground? He was obviously no longer a threat. What's the rational for that? He was still breathing?
Un Fucking Believable. I hope that guy gets every cent he's asking for. Oh and before you say the taxpayers will be paying for it. So What. They are paying the dumb fuck that shot him, and the ones that said it was a good shoot.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:57:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By El-cid:
100% whitewash

Family Says 911 Tape Caught Cops Planning Cover-Up After Shooting

[snip] "That's all right. Don't worry about it. I got your back. ... We clear?" [snip]
http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911_Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm





[bluether] We don't know all of the facts, they were probably just talking about their trip to the bath house the next day. Nothing to see here, move along. [/bluether]

Link Posted: 9/28/2009 11:58:50 AM EST
The Arambulas say the officers later dragged Anthony onto gravel, then put him on top of the hot hood of a squad car, and "drove the squad car down the street with Tony lying on top, writing in pain

Sombody explain this to me, that is why this was done?
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 12:02:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By whomper:
IBTA

ETA:
I'm curious about Bama's take on this.


Not enough info.

Also an officer does not have to issue a warning before firing his weapon.

Which is typically the case, but that doesn't stop many here from rushing to judgment.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 12:02:47 PM EST
The whole department should be forced in their underware to publicly get on their bellies and beg the familiy for forgiveness. The Sargent that failed to inform his amped up patrol men that the home owner was holding the suspect at gunpoint deserves to be deported.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 12:05:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By FZ1Steve:
The Arambulas say the officers later dragged Anthony onto gravel, then put him on top of the hot hood of a squad car, and "drove the squad car down the street with Tony lying on top, writing in pain

Sombody explain this to me, that is why this was done?


They were helping close his wounds, the dry heat and moving air made his blood clot faster.

Or they are heartless horrible people that didn't want to get chewed out for getting the inside of their cruiser bloody and then having to clean it out.

Link Posted: 9/28/2009 12:49:54 PM EST
The kind of fear that the officer was experiencing during the incident, causing him to shoot a man six times in the back, when he didn't even know if the guy was armed, must have been overpowering. Good thing the cops are doing everything in their power to keep him around.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:01:22 PM EST
So how exactly as a homeowner should we treat this situation?

If you call 911 and remain on the line with the operator, while making sure your wife tells the responding officer that you have an intruder detained at gunpoint, how can you safely prevent being shot by the cops?

If you drop your gun before they arrive, there's a very high risk the intruder will use it against you and your family.

If telling the 911 operator and the responding officers that you are holding an intruder at gunpoint doesn't guaranty your safety from being shot by the cops, what should you do?

If you shoot the intruder just to be safe, that's murder. If you drop your weapon before police arrive to take over, you risk being killed by the intruder. If you keep your weapon pointed at the intruder, you risk being killed by the police.


So what the fuck are you supposed to do?
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:03:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By MikeS369:
This is why you kill the invader and then put the gun down before the cops show up.






Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:05:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 1:08:49 PM EST by flyfishnepa]

well this is a weird one

911 screwed up on this one IMO.

eta: well i read the rest and change it to both the cop and 911 screwed up and should be held accountable

Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:08:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bloencustoms:


So what the fuck are you supposed to do?

You take your chances, and hope you survive apparently.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:14:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 1:20:24 PM EST by Db8sGr8]
Originally Posted By thermocafe:
Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad:
Link
In the new lawsuit filed yesterday in Maricopa County Superior Court, Arambula (via Manning)- alleges that statements made by Lilly after the shooting are contradicted by a recorded 911 phone call, indicating a possible cover-up. A transcript of the call attached to the suit states that Lilly was asked by his supervisor, Sergeant Sean Coutts, whether he knew a gun was "down there."

Lilly reportedly answered, "I don't know. I heard screaming and I fired."

Arambula had been standing with his own handgun in the doorway of his son's room, on the phone with a 911 operator. The intruder, Angel Anastacio Canales, 28, was sitting on the floor. Then the first bullets from Lilly's weapon punched through Arambula's back.

The recording makes it clear Lilly knew he "fucked up," but that a supervisor, Sergeant Sean Coutts, told him, "Don't worry about it. I got your back... We clear?"

A few hours later, Lilly told internal affairs investigators that he fired only after Arambula pointed a gun his direction, the lawsuit states.


Bad shoot, stupid cover up. If the transcript is accurate.


Agreed 100%. IF the transcript is accurate, those officers should be prosecuted for a number of crimes. Of course it won't happen.

Sad, really. This is exactly what happens after years of the police forces' decreasing the entrance standards so the dearies - oh, sorry I mean women - can pass the selection process. The quality of officers decreases, to where you get these officers that will fire their weapon at the drop of a gnat.

That fella's in the crossfire of BOTH the cops AND the crooks. Sheesh...


Nice segue into your pet peeve. Unfortunately your pet peeve is irrelevant to the topic being discussed. Dearie.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:15:23 PM EST
Seems weird.....like there's a large portion of the truth missing from this story.
As there would be if the cops did something wrong and then tried to cover it up.
Typical
Not typical that cops go around shooting innocents, but typical that when a cop screws up he is not help accountable as he should be.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:15:31 PM EST
does anybody know what the hell happened here?

WTF

"Arambula claimed Lilly shot him twice as he lay bleeding on the floor of his living room, his wife and two young sons nearby.

The suspect, Angel Anastacio Canales, had broken into Arambula's home near 32nd Street and Thomas Road as officers tracked him from a "shots-fired" call in the area.

Arambula had the gunman cornered in his 12-year-old son's room when the officer opened fire."

He shot him in the back while he had somebody cornered.

Just curios - were any of the 4 firearms rules broken here? Do you automatically take a guess at who the bad guy is in a shoot/'no shoot scenario? What if he missed the assumed "bad guy" and hit the assumed "good guy" in the corner? I agree with the atty that these review boards are a joke.

Uh was that good shoot or not? Uhhh - let's ask a panel of police officers. OK - "good shoot" roger that review board - we'll go with that.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:17:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 1:20:29 PM EST by AR15KittyKat]
Originally Posted By jmay622133:
put yourself in the cops shoes. he is in a house knowing someone just broke in and he doesnt know who may be in the house trying to kill him or the homeowner. he finds a man with a gun pointing it at another man. what would you do? would you say "stop police"? in that case if it is the suspect you just started a close quarters gunfight. i guess all the experts on police procedure and tactics will set me straight.

this is tragic for everyone involved. cue the police haters and bashers, but imo the cop acted in good faith.




Bull, wife told cop entering the house husband has the gun, don't shoot, so cop knew very likelihood we have 1 good guy in the mix... POS cop gets scott free for shooting... I do 100% suport our boys in blue, but this is BS... Fucking review board and cop unions, thick ass blue line we have here folks...
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:18:58 PM EST

Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:19:37 PM EST
Originally Posted By Db8sGr8:

Nice segue into your pet peeve. You suck and so does your opinion. Dearie.


Why don't you keep your ridiculous insults to yourself.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:20:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 1:21:02 PM EST by Thatdude333]
What would have happened if the cop fired at the home owner and missed, then the home owner, being shot at, turned and fired at the cop?

Think the home owner would get life in prison or the death penalty?
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:21:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By razor11056:
Originally Posted By Db8sGr8:

Nice segue into your pet peeve. You suck and so does your opinion. Dearie.


Why don't you keep your ridiculous insults to yourself.


Well, see, I would, but other people can't seem to keep theirs to themselves.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:22:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By Thatdude333:
What would have happened if the cop fired at the home owner and missed, then the home owner, being shot at, turned and fired at the cop?

Think the home owner would get life in prison or the death penalty?


Several of the LEO's on this board would say that constitutes attempted murder on the innocent civilian's part and he should be treated like the criminal cop-killing scum he is.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:25:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Not enough info.


lulz
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:30:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/28/2009 1:31:46 PM EST by KPR]
Originally Posted By SamColt:
He shot him in the back while he had somebody cornered.


This!

How do you shoot someone in the back and call it justified. At least wait until the guy starts to turn around. Cop already had his gun out and probably had it pointed at the guy. If super cop identified himself to the guy he could have explained without even having to turn around.
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:36:24 PM EST
OK, I would like to edit my original post.

If proven they tried to cover up, that is very bad, I agree. It does sound damning....

Always tell my guys, if you "F" up doing your job, TELL THE TRUTH. Better to take the pain, than be found to be a liar AND take then the pain....

Again, going off info from the interweb....
Link Posted: 9/28/2009 1:38:05 PM EST
speaking of editing posts

Db8sGr8

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