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Posted: 5/30/2002 7:05:30 AM EDT
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maybe we should sweep the dust off ours
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Posted: 5/30/2002 7:14:16 AM EDT
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hold that thought while i go stock up on food, water, ammo and toilet paper. what do you suppose china will do if they get a whiff of fallout?
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Posted: 5/30/2002 7:17:52 AM EDT
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I think Pakistan has a lot of balls! It seems to me that all they are saying is, "mess with us, and we'll turn you in to a glowing parking lot..."
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Posted: 5/30/2002 8:06:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think Pakistan has a lot of balls! It seems to me that all they are saying is, "mess with us, and we'll turn you in to a glowing parking lot..." Pakistan will likely launch a pre-emptive strike. In return it will be they who have their nation converted into a "glowing parkinglot". |
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Posted: 5/30/2002 8:15:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think Pakistan has a lot of balls! It seems to me that all they are saying is, "mess with us, and we'll turn you in to a glowing parking lot..." Some people would call it nuclear blackmail! I wonder at what point India would say enough is enough with the darned "no first use" policy and take the first shot stating self defense under daily threats of a nuclear attack emanating from Pakistan. |
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Posted: 5/30/2002 8:28:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: maybe we should sweep the dust off ours Super, actually salt water (and in some cases frozen saltwater) not dust covers a fair amount of our deterrent. If we look just at our Poseidon totin subs we're looking pretty good. We keep 10 Poseidon subs at sea at all times. Each sub carries 24 missiles. 10X24 = 240 missiles. Each missile can carry up to 14 independently targeted warheads. 14X240 = 3360 nuclear warheads. That's just Poseidon and just those Poseidon's at sea. Actually each Poseidon sub can just as easily launch from Norfolk, San Diego, Washington, etc., and hit their targets. Never mind the rest of the missile subs or the Air Force. |
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Posted: 5/30/2002 8:30:34 AM EDT
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Neither Pakistan nor India will use nukes.
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Posted: 5/30/2002 8:31:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think Pakistan has a lot of balls! It seems to me that all they are saying is, "mess with us, and we'll turn you in to a glowing parking lot..." This isn't an after school fight. A nuke war will affect us all. From the fallout, to the economic chaos, this will suck big time. I really wasn't afraid that missles would fly during the cold war. I didn't think civilization would collapse during Y2K. But now I'm scared. ONLY thing in our favor is that it's half way around the world. -legrue |
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Posted: 5/30/2002 8:33:26 AM EDT
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I seceretly-kinda look forward to it happening...
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Posted: 5/30/2002 8:35:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I think Pakistan has a lot of balls! It seems to me that all they are saying is, "mess with us, and we'll turn you in to a glowing parking lot..." This isn't an after school fight. A nuke war will affect us all. From the fallout, to the economic chaos, this will suck big time. I really wasn't afraid that missles would fly during the cold war. I didn't think civilization would collapse during Y2K. But now I'm scared. ONLY thing in our favor is that it's half way around the world. -legrue Remain unafraid but concerned. Both the leaders of India and Pakistan want to be around to lead. A nuclear war would eliminate that probability. Neither want to really piss-off Uncle Sugar ! |
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Posted: 5/30/2002 8:49:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: If we look just at our Poseidon totin subs we're looking pretty good. We keep 10 Poseidon subs at sea at all times Poseiden? Uhh aren't they all retired? We're toting Trident IIs now - with some of the Trident I subs getting refitted to carry Trident IIs (the others are getting refitted for spec-ops). |
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Posted: 5/30/2002 11:09:07 AM EDT
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I would hate to be serving in the military in Pakistan or Afghanistan right now. Can you imagine how bad it could get there before order is restored?
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Posted: 5/30/2002 11:18:18 AM EDT
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What scares the crap out of me is the Pak nuclear scientists who spent time in Afghanistan doing "volunteer work". They were interrogated by the Pak ISI, Osama's best friend. Maybe India would be doing us all a favor and cleaning the slate in South Asia. Just get our boys and girls out first.
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Posted: 5/30/2002 11:51:06 AM EDT
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Just a helpful hint, if the world goes nuclear and the stores run out of toilet paper, remember to always first crumble the news print or what ever you use in your hands, it grips better. [:D] Am-O-Tramp
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Posted: 5/30/2002 12:10:59 PM EDT
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What if---------
Pakistan and India go at it. Paki uses nukes. India responds. Total chaos breaks out in the region. Is it immpossible to think that social order in some places might start to decline? That sort of panic spreads rapidly and easily. It wouldnt take but a small number of people here to panic, and things could go down hill quick. Stock markets? Fear of oil/gas shortages and freezes? Just how far might the ripples spread? |
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Posted: 5/30/2002 12:19:43 PM EDT
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Pakistan is just waving its pee-pee. Unfortunately, for them, it's a small one. Kind of like a little dog that barks a lot. India is stronger in both conventional and nuclear forces. Pakistan should pray that India shows restraint.
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Posted: 5/30/2002 12:21:10 PM EDT
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Duck and Cover!
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Posted: 5/30/2002 1:00:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: maybe we should sweep the dust off ours Super, actually salt water (and in some cases frozen saltwater) not dust covers a fair amount of our deterrent. If we look just at our Trident totin subs we're looking pretty good. We keep 10 Trident subs at sea at all times. Each sub carries 24 missiles. 10X24 = 240 missiles. Each missile can carry up to 14 independently targeted warheads. 14X240 = 3360 nuclear warheads. That's just Trident and just those Trident at sea. Actually each Trident sub can just as easily launch from Norfolk, San Diego, Washington, etc., and hit their targets. Never mind the rest of the missile subs or the Air Force. Edited to change Poseidon to Trident - cause I'm a dumb-ass. |
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Posted: 5/30/2002 1:07:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: If we look just at our Poseidon totin subs we're looking pretty good. We keep 10 Poseidon subs at sea at all times Poseiden? Uhh aren't they all retired? We're toting Trident IIs now - with some of the Trident I subs getting refitted to carry Trident IIs (the others are getting refitted for spec-ops). (Forest, thanks for the catch. I've edited my post accordingly. I'm probably fortunate I didn't put Polaris !) I didn't know the I's were being refitted for special ops but that makes a lot of sense. (Special ops in the submarine service can mean many different things but those are still relatively modern boats and should do most ops well.) |
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Posted: 5/30/2002 4:36:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: Just a helpful hint, if the world goes nuclear and the stores run out of toilet paper, remember to always first crumble the news print or what ever you use in your hands, it grips better. [:D] Am-O-Tramp You can wipe with a clean round medium size rock. Works good. |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 1:22:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: I seceretly-kinda look forward to it happening... You are one sick dude... Can we be friends? |
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Posted: 5/31/2002 1:51:14 AM EDT
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I hope they all die so I can buy India and Pakistan for $1.99 per square mile.
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Posted: 5/31/2002 10:08:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: If we look just at our Poseidon totin subs we're looking pretty good. We keep 10 Poseidon subs at sea at all times Poseiden? Uhh aren't they all retired? We're toting Trident IIs now - with some of the Trident I subs getting refitted to carry Trident IIs (the others are getting refitted for spec-ops). Currently there are 10 Trident II D5 systems in the atlantic fleet and 8 (depending on where the retrofit stands) in the pacific. Each carries 24 missiles. The Trident II missile in turn carries 8 Mark 4 or Mark 5 reentry vehicles usually the W88 warhead- (but also fitted for the W76) a two stage radiation implosion warhead with about 475 kilotons of yield. Any more per missle and the U.S. would be in violation of START I. These are strategic weapons designed for their deterrent effect. No one in the U.S. is going to use them on India and Pakistan- population centers or military targets, doesn't matter. The multiple vehicles on the missile are "use em or lose em" style. If you launch the missle all the warheads have to be either used, or dumped off somewhere. That means to direct just one or two warheads to a target means you have to retrofit the missiles and retarget the launch platform. That's a drydock operation. Bit of a waste. Assuming the United States were even mildly inclined to engage in a nuclear exchange against one of its allies (both Pakistan and India are on comparatively friendly relations with the U.S.)- which in itself is particularly hard to imagine- it is far more likely that theater or (even more likely) tactical weapons would be used against military targets. Yields are more likely to be under 50 kilotons. None of this is worth thinking about since the United States strategic doctrine doesn't call for the use of nuclear forces except where U.S. troops or population centers are threatened by the same. Considering both India and Pakistan's limited ability (see illustration) its a pretty doubtful bet to be making. [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/tatjana%2Fem527map2%2Egif[/img] [edited cause I'm a loudmouth] |
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