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Posted: 5/25/2003 6:10:05 PM EDT
All you Paint Ball Warriors out there, we need advice on a paint ball gun for a 13yr boy. we are looking for good quality at mid range price. What do we need to look for as far as brand, power, and trigger, He is wanting one with an electric trigger, is this a good move or is it a waste and trouble waiting to happen? Thanks... fullclip
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:13:52 PM EDT
Get him a Spyder they are 1 of the best semi-autos for the price IMO and easy to upgrade if you want to
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:19:09 PM EDT
tippmann! no doubt about it. they'll take the punishment any irresponsible 13 year old can deliver, & their cusotmer service is absolutely magnificant. i got a chance to tell mr. tippmann how great i thought his customer service was and he said: "one thing we know is that the customer is NEVER wrong!" i had my full auto tippmann for years, sent it back twice, each time it came back with in a week fixed and kickin ass! great guns, great company.
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:20:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/25/2003 6:28:37 PM EDT by Knife_Sniper]
Tippman model 98 Only way to go... an AK-47 of paintball guns. The trigger is also one of the best semi-auto triggers out there. Dont get him a wiz bang gun for a starter, but if you want wiz bang... the tippman can be upgraded with an electronic trigger, and has a good selection of barrels. The barrels feature LARGE threads that take about three turns to remove the barrel. This is great as most other barrels on guns such as the spyder take forever to screw into the receiver due to the fine threads. Also, its just a flat out tank. receivers clamp together and are made of a big chunk of cast iron. It sounds crude, but it works and can take a beating. [img]http://www.tippmann.com/markers/image/m98t.jpg[/img] Here is one loaded with goodies. [img]http://www.directpaintball.com/pics/m98/m98tricked.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:21:03 PM EDT
spyder makes one called "imagine". it has an electronic trigger. it costs about $129. throw on a 20 ounce tank, and an electric hopper and he will be ready to go. the only bad thing about an electronic trigger is that he is going to shoot alot more balls. more balls=more money per game. i don't like a double trigger. but i think that has to do with all the shooting of "real" guns. i'm not use to the double trigger, therefore, i don't like them.
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:23:13 PM EDT
What ever you do dont buy one from Sudden_Impact who IM'd me after I posted an indentical post to yours looking for a marker for my nephew We sent him $110 via paypal and never got a gun he wont take our phone call and wont send the new Tippman 98 we bought or return our money... Best part is ..he says he wants to be a cop. He claims to run a paint ball field in Ga. Really messed up the kids birthday...and temporarily took my stock value with my nephew down a peg
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:34:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 9divdoc: What ever you do dont buy one from Sudden_Impact who IM'd me after I posted an indentical post to yours looking for a marker for my nephew We sent him $110 via paypal and never got a gun he wont take our phone call and wont send the new Tippman 98 we bought or return our money... Best part is ..he says he wants to be a cop. He claims to run a paint ball field in Ga. Really messed up the kids birthday...and temporarily took my stock value with my nephew down a peg
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what a total POS!! don't worry, with habbits like that, he'll never pass the orals and become a cop.
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:40:57 PM EDT
go for the tippman 98 custom
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:42:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:45:39 PM EDT
The group I play with has a couple of Spyders and a couple of Tippmans. All are excellent guns. I've been looking at the Sypders for when my daughter wants to start. Mainly because there are far more custom parts for Spyders. If the Tippman is the AK47 of paintball guns then the Spyder is the 10/22. You can't go wrong with either one. A couple of weeks ago I saw a Tippman modeled after an HK MP5. Looked reeeaaaall coooooooool. [:D]
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:47:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper: Tippman model 98 Only way to go... an AK-47 of paintball guns.
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beat me to it.
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:50:58 PM EDT
couple more questions. What about the "genesis II" guns sold at big 5, the price on sale $99.00 looks good. Or, where on the internet would be a good place to buy? What is a good price on the tippman and spyder? Fullclip
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:52:23 PM EDT
Also, what about the power? Nitrogen, co2 or air power? fullclip
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 6:54:36 PM EDT
Get him a 20oz CO2 tank he has no need for nitrogen
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:17:53 PM EDT
Spyder
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:19:50 PM EDT
Tippman model 98, great gun for the price...and def. go with CO2, unless he's gonna be doing competitions or something
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:20:27 PM EDT
Another vote for the Tippmann Model98 Custom. Things are built like tanks, and are easily upgraded. Maybe fit it with a 98 flatline barrel, and a response trigger system. Just my 2 cents
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:20:56 PM EDT
Tippmanns are virtually indestructable
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:22:48 PM EDT
I recommend the Tippman Pro Carbine because you can put a collapsable AR stock on it. [:D] [img]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QgAAAIwSkk3afPtW6dGfYB73tIP3Qt!F!wyIeyv*7S0H­LZpVpqYfH7MZPzTiwH8elwlkNp3g1m9IKGmE*XK4q0ynP­Nrd51Nd6SXHHPGihN0/001t.JPG[/img]
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:24:15 PM EDT
I have a autococker and a Angel..But when the first time i was getiing my feet wet i got a spyder tl plus and a tippman 98..very good guns for the first timer.. i 2nds for the tippman 98 or the spyder tl plus
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:24:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Knife_Sniper: The barrels feature LARGE threads that take about three turns to remove the barrel. This is great as most other barrels on guns such as the spyder take forever to screw into the receiver due to the fine threads.
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SO...........why is this a benefit? How often are we removing barrels?
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:29:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: I recommend the Tippman Pro Carbine because you can put a collapsable AR stock on it. [:D] [url]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QgAAAIwSkk3afPtW6dGfYB73tIP3Qt!F!wyIeyv*7S0H­LZpVpqYfH7MZPzTiwH8elwlkNp3g1m9IKGmE*XK4q0ynP­Nrd51Nd6SXHHPGihN0/001t.JPG[/url]
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Bad AUG! Thats for damn sure not a legal preban!!
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:32:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fight4yourrights: SO...........why is this a benefit? How often are we removing barrels?
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if you get cheap paintballs, you could be swabbing out the barrel quite often
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:35:02 PM EDT
As a former Novice competition paintball player (almost pro) and a close friend to a multibranch paintball store owner, haha just had to brag somewhere on this board in my lifetime, I highly recommend the Tippman 98, and don't fall for the gimmick that is called the Flatline. If you've got a little more to spend, $450 ish, the Smart Parts Impluse has come a long way and is a great marker to grow with.
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:36:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By -Absolut-: if you get cheap paintballs, you could be swabbing out the barrel quite often
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So by extension, I assume *expensive* paintballs don't crude up the barrel as fast? Does the crude impact function, or just accuracy/velocity?
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:41:26 PM EDT
If you but cheap balls they will bust in the barrel of guns like Spyders and Tippmans. Once you have a ball bust the accuracy drops and the balls wil not fly straight they will curve
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 7:51:25 PM EDT
Just go to K-Mart or one the other marts, where there are many broken people wandering the isles, looking for things to beat each other with, and get a brass eagle POS, and drop it, etc. and when it breaks, buy a new one. AH! Snowchains, these will be perfect (whip). [devil]
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 8:16:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 8:34:11 PM EDT
Tippman or Spyder make great 1st "markers." Tippman - if you don't know what a Torx screw is (for example only) you get one of these. Straight forward and will keep working even if they don't get regular cleaning and maintenance. Spyder - if you like to tinker, add accessories and upgrades, or "trick out" your toys, this is what you go with. Anything else be prepared to shell out some serious cash. (i.e. >$1000.00) Simple, functional design. Not as well built as the Tippman, but cheap, easy to fix, and damn good value for the $$$. Paintball. Mmmmmm, I ought to get out there again some day. --LS
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 9:09:03 PM EDT
It's been beat to death, but.... Get a Tippman 98. That carbine like SteyrAUG looks sweet, although I've only shot the normal Tippmann 98 Custom.
Link Posted: 5/25/2003 9:17:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sniper_Wolfe: It's been beat to death, but.... Get a Tippman 98. That carbine like SteyrAUG looks sweet, although I've only shot the normal Tippmann 98 Custom.
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Tipps are very upgradeable. Mine has a flatline barrel which about doubles accuracy and range. Also got a bottom feeding forward grip so I could install the M4 stock. And more importantly than anything else, the Tippman has a UNOBSTUCTED line of sight. So many markets have the hopper right in the line of sight. Another nice feature is the Tipp breaks open to expose the chamber in case of a break.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 4:57:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/26/2003 4:58:30 AM EDT by cnatra]
hey what about the new Tippman A-5 ??? that looks pretty sweet, even takes the M4 stock [url]www.tippman.com[/url] looks kind of like a MP5/HK94 clone
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 5:16:15 AM EDT
I still have my Tippman Prolite (lent it out). The accuracy (better barrel) and rugged quality is great. This thing lasts forever!!! I have had many types of guns including two Armson Semi's. ($800) I no longer have them as they were usually unreliable when you needed them most! The battery operated firing mechanisms are available in most cost brackets, with the Angel being the most over-rated and over-priced. But battery operated is open to failure, but it is neat since you can get full-auto. I am currently letting my friend borrow ALL of my gear to introduce the sport to his kid to see if he likes it and that he will continue to play. This is an excellent idea because often times the kids think it is cool, but they aren't into getting all roughed up and playing hardcore. If you would like advice and tips, I have plenty of experience.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 5:21:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/26/2003 5:24:00 AM EDT by notso]
Ill add another vote for a tippmann, great gun. I did get the flatline (used) but havent had a chance to play with it. It does give a lot more range, but dont buy it new, buy it used off E-bay or somthin. P.S.--- As for trigger, you can usually get a 98c wit a reactive trigger installed from the factory. It also keeps the gun semiauto so you can play on any field
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 3:33:21 AM EDT
Tippman, it's the M14 of paintball markers. They always have been and always will be. I have been playing since 86 and Tippys will last forever, if taken care of properly (clean it after use, throw it into a case). I have seen way too many Spyders crap out at the field and there are a ton of mods for Tippmans. I don't know what you consider within your budget, but the A5 is really nice. A number of people use them on the team I play with and they never have problems and the ROF is impressive. I just bought stuff through County Paintball. [url]www.countypaintball.com[/url] If you want to find mods for A5s, pop over to [url]www.teamaoe.com[/url] and post a message. That's the team I mentioned above. A few of the guys were talking about mods to make an A5 look like an MP5.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 9:04:39 AM EDT
Actually, I would consider Tippmanns the 10/22s of the paintball world, except they don't suck out of the box.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 9:50:11 AM EDT
Nah, I will stick with the M14. I've seen them dropped in mud, under water, kicked around, dropped off of 2nd story buildings and a whole lot of stupid n00b tricks and still keep going. As much as I love my Autococker, I will admit that it probably would not have survived such treatment. The field I worked at bought a bunch of SL-68s (when they were new) for rentals and they survived all of the abuse.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 10:04:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 10:21:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/27/2003 10:26:31 AM EDT by MillerSHO]
I've recently been playing paintball and I'm looking to buy gear. After looking I found the tippman 98 with reponse trigger the best bang for the buck. Just make sure you buy it with the repsonse trigger (will save you some $$ down the road) and a new barrel your good to go for less then $250. Edited to say: I was shown the only downfall of the 98. Cleaning. You really couldn't take this weapon apart during a match due to 6 torx bolts. That was the only bad thing that was said about this gun.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 10:24:17 AM EDT
Actually I've got a barely used (2-3 games max) Tippmann M98 I'll sell you for $100. 200rnd hopper, 12oz tank with buttstock plate. All you'd need to buy is a facemask and some paint. I got it expecting to play alot of paintball and just never did, now I play airsoft instead so it is not getting used...
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 12:20:38 PM EDT
For a mask, I have to offer up the V-Force Shield goggles. I used this little gem this past Memorial Day weekend and it did not fog at all. Cost me all of $50 including shipping. Meanwhile the guys out there with the expensive Dye and JT masks were having a hard time seeing what was in front of them. Plus it takes all of 2 minutes to change out the lenses.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 12:43:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 1:04:32 PM EDT
I have had to use my Tippman for backup quite a few times. One time my Armson stopped working. I was able to bluff and help win the match. Then I went and fixed it. The next game it f*ed up again! I sneaked to the other side, got two people to surrender (bluffing BIG TIME) and then ran the flag all the way back without firing a single shot!!! I then pulled the Tippman out of the car and used it the rest of the day.
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Originally Posted By Sniper_Wolfe: Actually, I would consider Tippmanns the 10/22s of the paintball world, except they don't suck out of the box.
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They are built like a tank. I owned a tippmann carbine about 6 years ago after going through a few other guns. It was my backup gun but i really never used it as one. It became the gun i used at the indoor field because i didnt want my typhoon or hurricane to get all screwed up from the sand in that place. the gun will go forever with little to no maintenance. now there are a ton of mods out there including triggers which are pretty cool. wish that was around back then so i didnt have to buy an at85 to go full auto
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Link Posted: 5/27/2003 1:16:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/27/2003 1:31:26 PM EDT by SuperAlpha]
GUN: The tippman ProLite, if you can still find it (used as the PEPPERBALL gun nowadays) is the most reliable and it has a few features you might miss: 1. [b]hopper can slide forward to quickly access barrel to clean FAST[/b] 2. with hopper forward, you can fire "blanks" to fake that you are out of paint. 3. or you can pretend to be firing, to save paint (wastes air) 4. [b]the sights are accurate and are NOT BLOCKED by the hopper!!![/b] Note: it is often best to use a short rifled barrel because when you kneal down, you don't want the barrel to poke into the mud (no faggot jokes please). It is very accurate. I often have a buddy fire at a tree, and I will shoot on that spot, prior to ever match. If the ball hooks or misses, I clean the barrel and try again. MASK: The Spectra is what I use. It is nice, and works well. You don't want a bulky mask either. Stay away from colored lenses if you plan to play in the forest. Maybe camouflage it with the camo screen material. Black is pretty universal. PAINT: CO Paintball....I buy a case and split it with friends.http://www.copaintball.com/ - call them I am a big fan of COBALT BLUE (Proball) but it has been hard to find. I usually order a case of Marballizer. Research your paint. You don't want dimpled or swollen paint. It can last forever. If you go to Walmart you will find BRASS EAGLE - they are actually a really good paint but usually pricey at the retail stores! The fan mod is nice - don't spend $50 for their version... Advice: DO NOT BUY PAINT CANISTERS FOR RELOADING. A 200 round hopper should be plenty for most tactical situations, unless you are assigned to hold down the fort. I usually use about 200 rounds within 3 games or so, and I usually made the most kills.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 1:26:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/27/2003 1:33:34 PM EDT by SuperAlpha]
Another thing: The electronic trigger is not necessary and is an unreliable feature. I believe that the air system should be mounted to the gun too. Connecting a remote to the body is bad (if you fall) and not realistic. Would you prefer and electronic trigger on your AR? It might be cool for f*ing around, but life & death? Paintball should be treated as a real sport with real possibilities. Also, in paintball, some may not understand what cover and concealment mean. I learned a lot from reading and practicing tactical techniques in various books and magazines. (Like RUNNING while shooting accurately - it is a great techinque to know.) I believe this is why, in one total-elimination tournament, the other team FORFEITED the second game cuz we wasted them in 2.5minutes in the first game!!!!! They were bitching how it was unfair that they were slaughtered, etc. [:)] And they were picked to win since they had the "best" autocockers, etc...and all we had were TIPPMAN PROLITES!! SIGHTS: Use the standard iron type of sight. The reason - paint splatter mist gets all over the optics.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 1:36:55 PM EDT
Oh yeah, If they still exist, 1. subscribe to APG(Action Pursuit Games) 2. check out www.warpig.com :)
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 2:44:22 PM EDT
The Tippmanns and Spyders are definetly great choices. Tippmanns are built like tanks and have excellent customer service. They make a great woodsball gun and can be upgraded considerably. The Spyder Imagine or E-99 are both cheap and electronic. They have semi, 3 round burst, and auto firing modes(the E-99 also has a 6 round burst). They are very easy to upgrade as well but need a little more maintenance. Whichever you buy, a better barrel will help accuracy considerably. I ordered a J&J Ceramic barrel for my BE Avenger( I am buying an Imagine in a couple weeks). These barrels can be had for $50 Canadian and upgrading the barrel on the Tippmann should be mandatory.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 3:08:48 PM EDT
I bought a Tippmann Pro-Am back in the early 90’s. I think it was Tippmann’s first semi auto. The thing is all cast metal and weighs about as much as an M-14… Ok, not quite that much. I used it for years in the mid 90’s. I played with a combination of football pads and hockey gear. The pace was aggressive. The Tippmann took a hell of a beating and never broke. I often went crashing into cover. Anything that went wrong was handled by Tippmann quickly. Back then they only charged shipping and fixed all the problems for free IIRC. I gave up paintball for many years and put it away. Later it was totally trashed in a basement flood (sewer water). I had the whole flood to deal with so I could not properly clean it. I rinsed it out and soaked it down with wd-40 then put it away. This year I got it out. I sent it to Tippmann and asked them to restore it. For $25 they completely overhauled it, replaces all the rubber parts, and totally cleaned up. It looks like the day I bought it and functions even better. I got the itch to get out again this year. I am sure the Pro-Am is considered a C&R by today’s standards, but what the hell. Are there any 30+ leagues in paint ball these days? Get a Tippmann.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 8:12:29 AM EDT
There are varying degrees of stock class and pump tournaments/field days if you look around. At the age of 32 I am used to being the oldest one out there who isn't there just because my kid plays (no kids for me!). I am restoring my Budd Orr Commando pump marker. It was the first modular paint marker on the market. People would ooh and ahh because I could actually unscrew the barrel in order to clean it. Hoplite--we used to save up and raid Radio Shack to build all kinds of stuff back in the day. I kicked myself in the butt when JT released their own fan. Course we originally used wood shop goggles and would chrono in around 330fps (when there was a chrono avail). Besides APG also look at: [url]http://www.paintball2xtremes.com/[/url] and [url]http://www.crossfiremag.com/[/url] Both are now owned by National Paintball Supply, out of New Jersey. Oh and there are a variety of paintball comic strips online, most of which are tame enough for the younger crowd.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 8:20:11 AM EDT
A cool trick for breaking paint in a barrel is to treat the barrel with Rain-X. Eventually, no matter how good the paint or how expensive your gun is you will break a ball. The Rain-X helps clear a break out of the barrel a little better when using a squeegee. As for CO2 vs HPA, go with HPA. In the long run you will be happy and you can get bottles for less than $100. You can top them off without having to empty your tank like with CO2, you have a handy guage telling you how much air is left, they are safer, less o-ring replacement, cheaper to fill, pressure doesn't flucuate with air temperature, and they are cleaner (co2 is dirty and can destroy a valve quickly).
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 9:47:09 AM EDT
Tippmann 98. Get the flatline if it is going to be used on open fields/long distance. With good, small-diameter paint, the range differance between the flatline and any other barrel is amazing. Get a good "sniper" barrel that is 10"-12" long for general purpose play. The flatline can be a little difficult to manuever in close quarters. The Pro-lite is a decent gun but disassembly isn't so easy, and the trigger just plain sucks. The accuracy with the sights does kick ass though. btw, the flatline has a shroud that covers up its ugliness; take it off. Doing so allows much faster access to the barrel in case of a paint break.
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